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At What Age Do You Think Independently
« on: August 26, 2017, 07:53:46 AM »
I love how the left (NY Slimes) inadvertently exposes the truth about human nature every once and awhile. :cool:

When Are You Really Random? After Age 24


The ability to behave randomly can be a great asset. Think of the mouse trying to outrun a cat — moving in an erratic, unpredictable way makes it harder to catch.

In humans, this sort of behavior is thought to be linked to creativity and cognitive complexity. But understanding the mind’s capacity to produce randomness is difficult.

Recently, a team from Europe pitted humans and computers against one another in a series of tasks designed to measure random choice-making. Around age 25, the researchers determined, people are best able to produce a random result.

Traditionally, computational tools for studying random behavior have been limited, according to Hector Zenil, an author of the study, published in PLOS Computational Biology, and a co-leader of the Algorithmic Dynamics Lab at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/25/science/random-unpredictable-behavior-age-25.html
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Re: At What Age Do You Think Independently
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2017, 08:38:29 AM »
I work in psychiatry.

FACT> The frontal cortex of the human brain controls judgement capability. The frontal cortex does not fully develop until the age of 25.  Most psychiatrists agree it takes another 5 or more years to learn to use the frontal cortex appropriately after it develops.

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Re: At What Age Do You Think Independently
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2017, 09:42:55 AM »
I work in psychiatry.

FACT> The frontal cortex of the human brain controls judgement capability. The frontal cortex does not fully develop until the age of 25.  Most psychiatrists agree it takes another 5 or more years to learn to use the frontal cortex appropriately after it develops.

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That sounds a lot like getting out of college. 
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Re: At What Age Do You Think Independently
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2017, 10:00:58 AM »
The day I started asking questions about my deductions on my pay check.
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Re: At What Age Do You Think Independently
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2017, 10:20:22 AM »
For me it was the week my father will killed at age 15.
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Re: At What Age Do You Think Independently
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2017, 10:46:12 AM »
For me it was the week my father will killed at age 15.

Im sorry for the loss of your father at your young age. Sometimes kids are forced to grow up young. I know your feelings. My 28 year old daughters mom was killed by a dunk driver when she was only 9 years old. Telling her that mom had died was tougher than tough.

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Re: At What Age Do You Think Independently
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2017, 10:49:32 AM »
I work in psychiatry.

FACT> The frontal cortex of the human brain controls judgement capability. The frontal cortex does not fully develop until the age of 25.  Most psychiatrists agree it takes another 5 or more years to learn to use the frontal cortex appropriately after it develops.
I guess you could say....."This is a no Brainer?" :biggrin:

OK, I'm going...
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Re: At What Age Do You Think Independently
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2017, 11:57:39 AM »
I guess you could say....."This is a no Brainer?" :biggrin:

OK, I'm going...

That would fit the bill for sure.

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Re: At What Age Do You Think Independently
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2017, 01:24:45 PM »
I work in psychiatry.

FACT> The frontal cortex of the human brain controls judgement capability. The frontal cortex does not fully develop until the age of 25.  Most psychiatrists agree it takes another 5 or more years to learn to use the frontal cortex appropriately after it develops.

No argument, rather a reflection and observation.
Consider a moment, the contributions of the Ancient Greeks to Western Civilization and the World.
* Medicine / Hippocrates.
* Drama, as Comedy and Tragedy, as well as Poetry (which spawned those such as Shakespeare).
* Architecture, among them the Acropolis and the Parthenon.
* Logic and Philosophy.
* Structured Religion in the form of Mythology.
* Political Science which spawned the concept of representative governance in a democratic setting.
* Geometry w/o which spacial dimension and structure in not possible.
* The creation of the perspective of History.
* The basis for Science, exemplified by Biology, Physics, Chemistry(Greek words), among other disciplines.
Average Greeks lived some third of our life span.
Case in point is Alexander the Great, who crushed the Persians under Darius at Gaugemela (Mosul, Iraq) destroying their Empire, then the greatest in the world, in a matter of hours! He was 25 years old!
Apparently the ancient Greeks developed a lot sooner than we do.

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Re: At What Age Do You Think Independently
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2017, 09:41:06 PM »
Excellent topic. I would say somewhere in the late 20's and I say that simply based on life experiences. I know the there is medical history that says around 25 but I think it could be a little bit sooner and a whole later.  There are lot's of variables. Today's kids probably won't think independently until they are in their 50's. It's pbvious they don't think at all now when they are in college.


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Re: At What Age Do You Think Independently
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2017, 11:32:29 PM »
The day I started asking questions about my deductions on my pay check.

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So true!

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Re: At What Age Do You Think Independently
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2017, 07:06:00 AM »
I work in psychiatry.

FACT> The frontal cortex of the human brain controls judgement capability. The frontal cortex does not fully develop until the age of 25.  Most psychiatrists agree it takes another 5 or more years to learn to use the frontal cortex appropriately after it develops.

... so at the age of 30, the average person should realize Liberalism is illogical, and reason their way out of emotional control to logical control.   Explains how it happened with me, during the first term of the Reagan's revolution.
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Re: At What Age Do You Think Independently
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2017, 07:48:45 AM »
It hit me when I was making Min wage, $1.65. an hour and my check were short a few hours, I was pissed.
Dad said it only gets worse, hide every penny you can, those bastards will steal you blind. He was spot on of course....

I think it was probably 27 for me when I finally finished cooking, there's a lot for a young man focused on poo-tang 24/7 every second of the day, before he finally gets a chance to breathe and start figuring things out on his own.

Seriously, between owning a business and trying to get laid, there wasn't a lot of time for much else. :rolleyes:
Youth is wasted on the young, what a cruel freakin joke. :biggrin:
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Re: At What Age Do You Think Independently
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2017, 01:59:42 PM »
I believe there is some danger in this as society keeps pushing people to think of themselves as children for longer and longer. A recent survey says that the average millennial doesn't think of themselves as an adult until 30! Juxtapose that with the fact that Pony Express riders were as young as 11. Not that we should want our teenagers to "risk death daily" but it certainly seems back in the day they were able to rise to the challenge when pushed to.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/14747/what-age-do-millennials-consider-themselves-adults-aaron-bandler


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Re: At What Age Do You Think Independently
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2017, 03:57:18 PM »
I believe there is some danger in this as society keeps pushing people to think of themselves as children for longer and longer. A recent survey says that the average millennial doesn't think of themselves as an adult until 30! Juxtapose that with the fact that Pony Express riders were as young as 11. Not that we should want our teenagers to "risk death daily" but it certainly seems back in the day they were able to rise to the challenge when pushed to.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/14747/what-age-do-millennials-consider-themselves-adults-aaron-bandler


Yep, most had the work ethic instilled the moment they could carry firewood in the winter, milk cows, feed the chickens, butcher them, then work the field as they got stronger, getting off the farm and finding secondary was coming of age.

Today, getting a freakin tatoo for doing nothing, while our generation got one for Military service, just one, anything else was seen as seeking attention, just like the latest gen, "Notice Me, Notice Me" I'm on youtube, I have 5000 like on Faceplant.
Awards for attendance.... :rolleyes:

Point being, these kids have no actual achievements and still living at home, no not all, but a large majority, so finishing cooking is taking a lot longer, if ever actually growing up.
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