Quote from: The Stranger on May 14, 2013, 03:00:13 AM
May have been dumb but do the charges fit, no I think not. Can't regulate dumb other wise the jails would be full of liberals.

The charges are over the top, but he won't be convicted on them. I'm guessing a slap on the wrist and a misdemeanor charge, with time served.

This has been against the law in NYC for years.

http://moretoyguns.com/MoreToyGuns/category/nys100.html

For example, Giuliani's campaign staff specified that he also supports handgun licensing and a national registry of handguns. As mayor, Giuliani signed legislation requiring trigger locks whenever guns are sold in the city and outlawing the sale of toy guns that resemble real guns.

You can thank Giuliani.....

http://americablog.com/2007/06/rudy-giuliani-and-his-amazingly-good-record-on-banning-guns.html

As far as I can tell, Giuliani banned the realistic looking toy guns, because teenagers were using them to rob people, tried it more than once on undercover cops, and got themselves killed. I can post links.

Is Rudy a leftist idiot?

Maybe so; but crime stats also plummeted while he was mayor.

Quote from: kramarat on May 14, 2013, 04:43:57 AM
As far as I can tell, Giuliani banned the realistic looking toy guns, because teenagers were using them to rob people, tried it more than once on undercover cops, and got themselves killed. I can post links.

Is Rudy a leftist idiot?

Maybe so; but crime stats also plummeted while he was mayor.

The drop in crime was not a result of ban on toy guns but more on the overral police strategy of focusing police in areas where crime spiked or were high no?

Quote from: Mountainshield on May 14, 2013, 08:58:22 AM
The drop in crime was not a result of ban on toy guns but more on the overral police strategy of focusing police in areas where crime spiked or were high no?

Giuliani used a lot of tactics, including a ban on toy guns that look like real ones, (black or silver colored). Many of the things he did would be considered unconstitutional, but then again, people in big cities seem to have a love affair with big government draconian laws that promise to keep them safer, and continue voting for people that promise more of it.

My point was, that the guy was breaking a "real" law, that was instituted in the late 90's, under Giuliani, and it was not a spontaneous liberal "freak out". The attacks should be on Giuliani, getting his laws overturned, and restoring the constitutional right for NYC adults to brandish realistic toy guns.

Quote from: kramarat on May 11, 2013, 02:58:07 PM
This is getting tiring, so lets cut to the chase.

Does a grown man have a constitutional right to play with a realistic looking toy gun at a public park?
Yes or no.

I didn't see toy guns in the Constitution, so it isn't prohibited.

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If I was in a park, glanced up, and saw a guy in that position...I would hurt him really bad. Maybe kill him. You are saying that his right to play with his toy gun, trumps my right to freak out and hurt his ass. Correct?

Why would you hurt someone playing with a toy gun?  A lot of times, water comes out of them.

Quote from: kramarat on May 14, 2013, 04:43:57 AM
As far as I can tell, Giuliani banned the realistic looking toy guns, because teenagers were using them to rob people, tried it more than once on undercover cops, and got themselves killed. I can post links.

Is Rudy a leftist idiot?

Why would I not want some loser trying to rob a place to get shot?  The more people who try to rob places that get shot, the better. 

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Maybe so; but crime stats also plummeted while he was mayor.

I didn't realize toy guns were responsible for that much crime.

Quote from: kramarat on May 13, 2013, 02:51:24 PM
Yep; and in this case, I think there was an overreaction. I think that overall though, grown men playing with toy guns in crowded public places, in cities, is not a good idea. If it's a constitutional right, then we need a law that exempts cops from prosecution, if/when they blow away someone with a real looking toy gun, that is acting in a threatening matter....which may just be a simple game of cops and robbers that's being played by grownups. Of course, we can't do that...so cops will be liable, (as will the cities), when it happens. And it happens.

We can't have it both ways; so all adults have a constitutional right to play with all toy guns, anywhere within the city that they choose. And by definition; if the police bother them, they will be subject to harassment charges.

Are cops even allowed to shoot in a public place?

Quote from: The Stranger on May 14, 2013, 03:00:13 AM
May have been dumb but do the charges fit, no I think not. Can't regulate dumb other wise the jails would be full of liberals.

They are!  Not a lot of Palin fans in prison I'd imagine....

Quote from: taxed on May 16, 2013, 12:51:10 PM
They are!  Not a lot of Palin fans in prison I'd imagine....

NOT a lot in my neighborhood either.  I don't play with toy guns.  I am right and you have rights as well.  When you try to rob me the rights you have are the ones I chose to let you have.  Don't come to my house on a bad day.

Quote from: taxed on May 16, 2013, 12:48:01 PM
Are cops even allowed to shoot in a public place?

Not in NYC. Remember when they took out the perp on the sidewalk and got sued for it because people were around?

What we have here, is a classic case of the "letter" of the law vs the "intent" of the law.

Given the circumstances of what was happening in the city, I don't think I blame Giuliani for banning the real looking toy guns, on the other hand, I don't think he intended for the ban to prevent Dads from playing with their kids. The guy should have got some colorful toy guns from the "allowed" list.

The woman was actually well within her rights to call the cops. It doesn't mean I like it, but the guy was breaking the law....a law that Giuliani passed.