It's all about the Obama sycophants and suckoff ants.

Quote from: Yawn on October 02, 2013, 01:01:46 PM
For those who don't get it, these are people making 4 to 5 times as much as most of us with full benefits. I'm lucky to have a job and I'll probably be forced to work into retirement. I still consider myself lucky to be working.

If that's true why don't you get you one of those government jobs so you can retire too?

Hint:  It's not true folks, or he would.

Quote from: Con4Evar on October 02, 2013, 11:34:59 AM
I'm left just for pointing out obvious B.S?  "Even if the staff is just three it requires hiring a budget staff,  a safety officer etc."     That's more plain old B.S, you have no idea what you're talking about.  Prove me wrong, provide a source.

Then you don't understand how govt actually works.
I worked for the govt for a short time but left, (because it sucked) our 5 person group had one budget officer and a safety officer as required by policy, granted these weren't their only titles, but each group required that we have these people trained in these perspective fields, which boosts their pay, so yes, these people cost more than a regular employee and the govt is packed full of them.

These people also answer to another office dedicated to the specific field, finance, safety etc.

Quote from: Con4Evar on October 02, 2013, 01:39:54 PM
If that's true why don't you get you one of those government jobs so you can retire too?

Hint:  It's not true folks, or he would.

WTF are you even talking about ?

Please repeat in adult, rational terms.

Just because the govt. has too many benes and sweetheart deals and non-essential dolts on the payroll, don't get your panties bunched up and go into full Obama protection mode.

Quote from: AndyJackson on October 02, 2013, 03:14:43 PM
WTF are you even talking about ?

Please repeat in adult, rational terms.

Just because the govt. has too many benes and sweetheart deals and non-essential dolts on the payroll, don't get your panties bunched up and go into full Obama protection mode.

I'll try to speak in more childish terms in hopes you can understand.  He complained he doesn't make enough money.  He also said government employees make 4-5 times what he makes.

Idea - go get a government job.

Problem: Government jobs don't pay 4-5 times what he makes for the same skill level or he would be working for the government.

Is that understandable or do I have to explain multiplication?  What do government jobs have to do with Obama?  Who said anything about him?

Quote from: Solar on October 02, 2013, 02:51:41 PM
Then you don't understand how govt actually works.
I worked for the govt for a short time but left, (because it sucked) our 5 person group had one budget officer and a safety officer as required by policy, granted these weren't their only titles, but each group required that we have these people trained in these perspective fields, which boosts their pay, so yes, these people cost more than a regular employee and the govt is packed full of them.

These people also answer to another office dedicated to the specific field, finance, safety etc.

So.... multifunctional jobs.... that sounds efficient.  Pretty much your average private sector job, except you were making 4-5 times your normal pay right?

Quote from: Con4Evar on October 02, 2013, 03:45:37 PM
So.... multifunctional jobs.... that sounds efficient.  Pretty much your average private sector job, except you were making 4-5 times your normal pay right?

Are you going to hurt yourself reaching like that?

So all this means I'm supposed to worry about those who are paid by my tax dollars because they got a couple days off?  The whole point of this thread is the difference in the way we're expected to react when one of these "elites" (government workers) goes a couple days without work compared with the way the TENS OF MILLIONS are forgotten by Obama and the Dems.

WHERE are the demands to fix that?  Why are TENS OF MILLIONS without work not deserving of attention, but government workers are?

Quote from: Con4Evar on October 02, 2013, 03:42:16 PM
I'll try to speak in more childish terms in hopes you can understand.  He complained he doesn't make enough money.  He also said government employees make 4-5 times what he makes.

Idea - go get a government job.

Problem: Government jobs don't pay 4-5 times what he makes for the same skill level or he would be working for the government.

Is that understandable or do I have to explain multiplication?  What do government jobs have to do with Obama?  Who said anything about him?

Quote from: Yawn on October 02, 2013, 04:00:24 PM
So all this means I'm supposed to worry about those who are paid by my tax dollars because they got a couple days off?  The whole point of this thread is the difference in the way we're expected to react when one of these "elites" (government workers) goes a couple days without work compared with the way the TENS OF MILLIONS are forgotten by Obama and the Dems.

WHERE are the demands to fix that?  Why are TENS OF MILLIONS without work not deserving of attention, but government workers are?

Because libs are anti-business, and could care less about us producers in society.

Quote from: taxed on October 02, 2013, 04:07:12 PM
Because libs are anti-business, and could care less about us producers in society.

They keep forgetting without us producers there is no them.

Quote from: Con4Evar on October 02, 2013, 03:45:37 PM
So.... multifunctional jobs.... that sounds efficient.  Pretty much your average private sector job, except you were making 4-5 times your normal pay right?

NO! It's called "Overkill", as a business owner, I can attest to the fact that a company as one finance dept. to oversee the entire business.
Look up just how many finance depts the govt has, then compare that to walmart.

To the ignoramuses that are talking out of their collective asses, you really ought to educate yourself before you post stupid remarks about people that you don't know, workers which you clearly have demonstrated that you have no clue what they do and a fundamental misunderstanding about the term non-essential workers.  Yes, I've read the brilliance of sighting one example from years ago and then claiming that it aptly applies to every worker who was just furloughed. 

You want to attack waste and fraud so be it.  You don't do it by attacking people who do their jobs just as you do yours merely because you see the words government employee.


I explained it 3 or 4 times on various threads but apparently some seem to lack the comprehension to grasp the concept.  As someone else pointed out do you take vacations?  I'm sure you do.   Does your employer get by on a short-term basis without you?  Do employers get along when women take maternity leave?   Would you like your wife to be mocked as non-essential merely because a firm can make do temporarily without her?   How about your daughter?  Would you like others to call her a leech?  Afterall,  if her job  can be done while she is out on a short-term basis then by your logic she's just a leech the rest of the time that she's there since it's proven that she can be done without.   That's EXACTLY what some of you are saying about ALL government employees.  Paint with a broad stroke much?   Now call me a liberal because I take offense at your comments.   That's logical.

Some of the more vocal misinformed ought to take a good look in your pants.  Some of your spouses just might deem you non-essential as well. 

Quote from: Yawn on October 02, 2013, 04:00:24 PM
So all this means I'm supposed to worry about those who are paid by my tax dollars because they got a couple days off?  The whole point of this thread is the difference in the way we're expected to react when one of these "elites" (government workers) goes a couple days without work compared with the way the TENS OF MILLIONS are forgotten by Obama and the Dems.

WHERE are the demands to fix that?  Why are TENS OF MILLIONS without work not deserving of attention, but government workers are?

First of all where do you get this idea that working for the government makes one an elite?  The guy or gal cleaning the crapper is an elite?  Those workers aren't asking you to feel sorry for them but more IMPORTANTLY and TO THE POINT they did NOT ask to be furloughed.

Here's some breaking news for you:  THEY PAY TAXES JUST LIKE YOU.  Tell that comment to a cop and get back to me on what he or she says to you.


Care to post a link to any site where a government worker is asking you or anyone  to worry about them during this shutdown.

Just for the record, I am about as Conservative as one can get but frankly I find yor comments about government workers deplorable and I do hope that some day you don't find yourself in the position they find themselves in.

They didn't ask to be furloughed but became pawns in this by default and the best they can get from you is to be mocked and to have falsehoods stated about them.  Do some of you realize how many ex-military are now governemnt workers?

There's plenty of ex-military here.  You want to tell one of your brothers in arms that they are leeches merely because they now work for the governemnt?   And you base this in-depth knowledge of what they do on just what?  The biased opinions that your pulling from where the sun doesn't shine?


Sorry if I thought that my fellow conservatives could demonstrate a little class as well as speaking from a factual perspective. 

Quote from: Con4Evar on October 02, 2013, 03:42:16 PM
I'll try to speak in more childish terms in hopes you can understand.  He complained he doesn't make enough money.  He also said government employees make 4-5 times what he makes.

Idea - go get a government job.

Problem: Government jobs don't pay 4-5 times what he makes for the same skill level or he would be working for the government.

Is that understandable or do I have to explain multiplication?  What do government jobs have to do with Obama?  Who said anything about him?

I'm not going to take sides here since I'd like to think that we can all disagree and still get along but it should be clear that you are replying to a number of people here who really are painting the majority of government workers based on a small minority.   I doubt any one of them is actually employed by the governmnet yet they all claim to be experts on what government workers do and how the hierarcahy is structured as well as how the term non-essential is arrived at.


This is a perfect example of how people seize on a text-book defintion of term then use it to tarnish a whole group of hard working fellow Americans just to make a point that's already invalid.


The low info voter's ignorance pales in comparison to the baseless remarks and attacks that I am reading about workers who had no say in the events of the last few days.


And for the record, I explained this already as well.   Workers were sent home Monday WITHOUT pay and NO PROMISES were made to them that they would be paid retroactively.   Administrative workers in much of the governement are non union and the only way they will get back pay is if the Congress approves it. 

So to say unequivocally that they are on paid vacation is the height of arrogance and ignorance.