How did he go from such a massive lead in the late fall/dec to where he is now...thoughts?
Because he never had a big lead. He was the dems Jeb Bush.
Quote from: petep on February 12, 2020, 09:13:37 AM
How did he go from such a massive lead in the late fall/dec to where he is now...thoughts?
He opened his mouth and all the bullshit came out.
Quote from: ldub23 on February 12, 2020, 09:15:16 AM
Because he never had a big lead. He was the dems Jeb Bush.
This was jan 2020...and it was larger in 2019...
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/479672-biden-leads-democratic-primary-field-nationally-poll
granted, its a nat'l poll...but the "tanking" seems to be a non stop trail down.
Quote from: petep on February 12, 2020, 09:13:37 AM
How did he go from such a massive lead in the late fall/dec to where he is now...thoughts?
He was a figment of the media's imagination. It didn't work.
Come on Man, there are only so many lying dog faced pony solders that will vote for him.
Quote from: supsalemgr on February 12, 2020, 09:44:27 AM
He was a figment of the media's imagination. It didn't work.
Bingo!!! That, and he's an idiot.
Obama didn't endorse him. I know he claims he didn't want the endorsement but that's BS. Had Obama given the nod, Biden would be leading. I guess Obama's holding out for the highest bidder and Joe isn't there yet.
Quote from: Dubhgall on February 12, 2020, 10:35:25 AM
Obama didn't endorse him. I know he claims he didn't want the endorsement but that's BS. Had Obama given the nod, Biden would be leading. I guess Obama's holding out for the highest bidder and Joe isn't there yet.
Is that why Kamala Harris and Deval Patrick did so well?
Quote from: Dubhgall on February 12, 2020, 10:35:25 AM
Obama didn't endorse him. I know he claims he didn't want the endorsement but that's BS. Had Obama given the nod, Biden would be leading. I guess Obama's holding out for the highest bidder and Joe isn't there yet.
Nah, He warned Biden no to run, probably because he knew Biden is an idiot and would expose their money laundering through Burisma.
I don't think the support was ever there. Biden ran solely to protect himself and his family from what he knew was coming. The first story had been released tying Hunter to Burisma and Ukraine in May 2019, even if the story broke AFTER he announced his candidacy, he knew what was coming. ..
It was a hail mary on Bidens part, never any hope of winning.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/may/07/viral-image/fact-checking-joe-biden-hunter-biden-and-ukraine/ (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/may/07/viral-image/fact-checking-joe-biden-hunter-biden-and-ukraine/)
Quote from: AmericanMom on February 12, 2020, 10:53:01 AM
I don't think the support was ever there. Biden ran solely to protect himself and his family from what he knew was coming. The first story had been released tying Hunter to Burisma and Ukraine in May 2019, even if the story broke AFTER he announced his candidacy, he knew what was coming. ..
It was a hail mary on Bidens part, never any hope of winning.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/may/07/viral-image/fact-checking-joe-biden-hunter-biden-and-ukraine/ (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/may/07/viral-image/fact-checking-joe-biden-hunter-biden-and-ukraine/)
Exactly!!! This ties in with the lefts claim that Trump attacked an opponent, which they claimed was an Impeachable offense. It was all part of the Coup...
Quote from: Solar on February 12, 2020, 10:57:18 AM
Exactly!!! This ties in with the lefts claim that Trump attacked an opponent, which they claimed was an Impeachable offense. It was all part of the Coup...
Yup!
What we are left with the the extreme left of the party, America isnt ready for them and they will be defeated. It is my hope that that defeat will last many many years.
Quote from: AmericanMom on February 12, 2020, 11:01:13 AM
Yup!
What we are left with the the extreme left of the party, America isnt ready for them and they will be defeated. It is my hope that that defeat will last many many years.
:biggrin:
I've been saying for nearly a decade that the Dim party was in collapse, that normal Americans despised what they were pushing. Their big tent was a case of herding cats and dogs, they didn't get along and now all these self proclaimed "Victims Groups" are at one another's throats.
Come mid summer the party will divide and die and pretty much stay that way for decades.
Quote from: Solar on February 12, 2020, 10:47:41 AM
Nah, He warned Biden no to run, probably because he knew Biden is an idiot and would expose their money laundering through Burisma.
BINGO....!
And that my friend is exactly what happened.
Quote from: Bronx on February 12, 2020, 11:11:30 AM
BINGO....!
And that my friend is exactly what happened.
As Hillary said, If Trump's Elected, "We all hang from nooses". Boy, she was Right... :biggrin:
In a nutshell the Adam the shifty Liar Schiff witch hunt did more damage to Plugs than Trump.
Quote from: REDWHITEBLUE2 IRISH REBEL on February 12, 2020, 12:24:08 PM
In a nutshell the Adam the shifty Liar Schiff witch hunt did more damage to Plugs than Trump.
if I had to venture a guess, your post would be it....
Quote from: REDWHITEBLUE2 IRISH REBEL on February 12, 2020, 12:24:08 PM
In a nutshell the Adam the shifty Liar Schiff witch hunt did more damage to Plugs than Trump.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Yep, we just witnessed the Dim party implode. But what cinched it was Fuglosi ripping up Trump's Speech. What a show capper... :biggrin:
The man can barely form a coherent sentence.. He's been placed within a scandal he can't escape. If Iowa and New Hampshire have anything to show as a future indication of his polling then he is more then certainly going to be suspending his campaign fast and with a great fury.
The media propped him up and continuously attached him to Obama. Then he got in and opened his mouth.
Biden tanked because he doesn't have the cerebral capacity, desire to run, or access to the dark money he and his predecessor had before. He has to actually raise cash from Americans, which is much harder than he could have imagined.
China can't carry him like they could before with eyes on the banks, most of who are seeing lots of arrests (been pretty quite under the main stream). But, he's only in the race to evade the DOJ.
Quote from: AmericanMom on February 12, 2020, 10:53:01 AM
I don't think the support was ever there. Biden ran solely to protect himself and his family from what he knew was coming. The first story had been released tying Hunter to Burisma and Ukraine in May 2019, even if the story broke AFTER he announced his candidacy, he knew what was coming. ..
It was a hail mary on Bidens part, never any hope of winning.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/may/07/viral-image/fact-checking-joe-biden-hunter-biden-and-ukraine/ (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/may/07/viral-image/fact-checking-joe-biden-hunter-biden-and-ukraine/)
AM, I agree. I believe that his support was always soft; his polling was higher before because of name recognition. But once the leftists started actually looking into the candidates, they figured out that Creepy Joe was a corrupt, gaffe prone geezer who paws at women on stage. I also wonder if the Dems' little sham impeachment made a few leftists have second thoughts.
The Jeb Bush comparison is spot on....a weak establishment candidate in a time when no one want one.
It's 2016 all over again. The polls are rarely right.
Quote from: wally on February 12, 2020, 09:44:59 AM
Come on Man, there are only so many lying dog faced pony solders that will vote for him.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: wally on February 12, 2020, 09:44:59 AM
Come on Man, there are only so many lying dog faced pony solders that will vote for him.
Well, he's got his family.
Quote from: petep on February 12, 2020, 09:13:37 AM
How did he go from such a massive lead in the late fall/dec to where he is now...thoughts?
He counted on support from minorities but so far the states that has had their primaries or caucuses are not diverse. SC will be his last stand. He also represents the past to many and not always a fond one. His ideas are stale. So many factors and as someone mentioned, did he really have much support to begin with? The debates gave the others a chance to show what they had to offer. (not much). The party was hijacked by the far left and old Joe although he tries to be part of it, is viewed as a moderate. I'm sure there are more reasons. JMHO
Quote from: American Pride on February 14, 2020, 02:20:54 AM
He counted on support from minorities but so far the states that has had their primaries or caucuses are not diverse. SC will be his last stand. He also represents the past to many and not always a fond one. His ideas are stale. So many factors and as someone mentioned, did he really have much support to begin with? The debates gave the others a chance to show what they had to offer. (not much). The party was hijacked by the far left and old Joe although he tries to be part of it, is viewed as a moderate. I'm sure there are more reasons. JMHO
Nailed it. Why the democrats (and republicans) start off the primary race with those two states is beyond me. And then we have the press telling us its all over if a candidate does not win those. I think biden will do better after Nevada because he can not do much worse, after SC, super Tuesday is right around the corner, might as well stay in for that, as long as he is running he stays out of jail. Does biden have a huge support?, of course not, none of the dems do, if they did boy pete would not be up there getting votes for the only reason that nobody knows him.
Brokered convention? Mini-Mike anointed by the DNC? Bernie screwed again? May very well be where we're headed.
Quote from: American Pride on February 14, 2020, 03:20:55 AM
Brokered convention? Mini-Mike anointed by the DNC? Bernie screwed again? May very well be where we're headed.
Any time I see "brokered convention" I keep hoping to see hilaries name in that sentence. Can you imagine the excitement that old bag would bring to the convention? I can just imagine how excited bernie and his followers would be. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: s3779m on February 14, 2020, 03:30:06 AM
Any time I see "brokered convention" I keep hoping to see hilaries name in that sentence. Can you imagine the excitement that old bag would bring to the convention? I can just imagine how excited bernie and his followers would be. :lol: :lol: :lol:
I do too. I made a bet with a friend awhile back that she would jump in. Looks like I may owe him a dinner. But the ensuing "hilarity" coming from this chaos is worth the price. :laugh:
Bernie's followers will stay home if he gets the hook. Win-win for Trump either way.
There's a story out there from Noonan who thinks Big Gulp Mike can pull it off. Wrong again.
It's behind a firewall and I refuse to pay but here it is for those that can see it.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-bloomberg-could-pull-it-off-11581638248
Quote from: American Pride on February 14, 2020, 03:20:55 AM
Brokered convention? Mini-Mike anointed by the DNC? Bernie screwed again? May very well be where we're headed.
That would be a perfect storm for Trump.
Quote from: supsalemgr on February 14, 2020, 04:58:29 AM
That would be a perfect storm for Trump.
I just hope that many don't get complacent.
Quote from: American Pride on February 14, 2020, 03:35:24 AM
I do too. I made a bet with a friend awhile back that she would jump in. Looks like I may owe him a dinner. But the ensuing "hilarity" coming from this chaos is worth the price. :laugh:
Bernie's followers will stay home if he gets the hook. Win-win for Trump either way.
There's a story out there from Noonan who thinks Big Gulp Mike can pull it off. Wrong again.
It's behind a firewall and I refuse to pay but here it is for those that can see it.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-bloomberg-could-pull-it-off-11581638248
Noonan lost most of us when she went full blown RINO, then went on to run block for mitten. I'm getting old, I just hope I never lose touch with reality like she has.
Quote from: Solar on February 14, 2020, 05:01:58 AM
Noonan lost most of us when she went full blown RINO, then went on to run block for mitten. I'm getting old, I just hope I never lose touch with reality like she has.
Something tells me that you won't. :smile:
Quote from: American Pride on February 14, 2020, 05:04:20 AM
Something tells me that you won't. :smile:
:biggrin:
Thanks...