Quote from: Hoofer on December 29, 2020, 04:45:11 PM
In the Corinthian context, Paul admonished the church to cast out the wicked person, committing sin practically unheard of among the non-Christians - but in the second letter calls on the same church for restoration of the repentant. 2 Corinthians 2:10 "To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; 11Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices."  Paul SAID he was not the lord over their faith (2 Corinthians 1:24), again, the greater context was missed.
Matthew 7:1 "Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."
Note: You are neither Jesus, nor Paul, and have no authority pass judgement on anyone.  But, the warning is, by your own measurement, methods, you pass judgment, you will be judged.  Peter asked Jesus how many TIMES should he forgive a repentant sinner, Jesus replied, 70x7 times!   Problem is, Trump has not sinned against you!   Democrats & Liberals cannot find forgiveness, mercy or the LOVE in 1 Corinthians 13.

Several fallacies in your rant of ignorance:

1. Who in the Church at Corinth had sinned against Paul?

2. There is a requirement before forgiveness will/can be given by God, or anyone else. Please show where trump, or you for that matter, has ever repented of their sins?

3. Who are you to judge me, Democrats, or liberals? Are you now God?

4. In your world are the Ten Commandments of any value?

5. And now we come to the biggest fallacy of all, your own hypocrisy. It is relevant of your kind to judge all others, and like in virtually every topic you endeavor that too is filled with the words of a hypocrite. You say not to judge, yet all you do is judge others. You claim that others hate, yet it is you that shows hate. You accuse others of crimes yet it is you master that has been convicted of crimes (fraud is a crime) even if only in a civil court. And I will not get into the lies that you perpetrate, and support in others. God did not choose trump, fools like you did just as the Israelites chose Saul in 1Samuel 12: 13-24, and be aware of the warnings from God. God did choose David, however, that was before David turned wicked (1Samuel ; 16), and punished him, and the nation of Israel, for that wickedness. They were warned just as your kind were. and they rejected God just as your kind has. And now America is paying for your deeds (1Samuel 8)

Quote from: Old Trapper on December 29, 2020, 08:33:41 PM
Several fallacies in your rant of ignorance:

1. Who in the Church at Corinth had sinned against Paul?

2. There is a requirement before forgiveness will/can be given by God, or anyone else. Please show where trump, or you for that matter, has ever repented of their sins?

3. Who are you to judge me, Democrats, or liberals? Are you now God?

4. In your world are the Ten Commandments of any value?

5. And now we come to the biggest fallacy of all, your own hypocrisy. It is relevant of your kind to judge all others, and like in virtually every topic you endeavor that too is filled with the words of a hypocrite. You say not to judge, yet all you do is judge others. You claim that others hate, yet it is you that shows hate. You accuse others of crimes yet it is you master that has been convicted of crimes (fraud is a crime) even if only in a civil court. And I will not get into the lies that you perpetrate, and support in others. God did not choose trump, fools like you did just as the Israelites chose Saul in 1Samuel 12: 13-24, and be aware of the warnings from God. God did choose David, however, that was before David turned wicked (1Samuel ; 16), and punished him, and the nation of Israel, for that wickedness. They were warned just as your kind were. and they rejected God just as your kind has. And now America is paying for your deeds (1Samuel 8)

The world judged you fascists decades ago.....

Quote from: Old Trapper on December 29, 2020, 08:33:41 PM
Several fallacies in your rant of ignorance:

Still avoiding me I see.... Unless you address my queries over the last week, you're going to get a timeout troll!
Your being gone is no sweat off my nuts, and most will probably be glad to see you gone, so address them in real debate form or say goodnight, this is not a request!!!!

Quote from: Old Trapper on December 29, 2020, 08:33:41 PM
Several fallacies in your rant of ignorance:

1. Who in the Church at Corinth had sinned against Paul?

nobody, which is why Paul was ADVISING them - read the context.

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2. There is a requirement before forgiveness will/can be given by God, or anyone else. Please show where trump, or you for that matter, has ever repented of their sins?

Donald Trump did NOT sin against you, did he?   Prove that he did.   He does not need to ask forgiveness of someone where there is no sin-debt.   Which betrays your lack of understanding of SIN in general.

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3. Who are you to judge me, Democrats, or liberals? Are you now God?

If you realized the error of your statements - you'd leave this theology of hatred & unforgiveness, call it what it is, and repent of foolish thinking.  If you judged yourself, you would not be judged, but the *same* judgement you use on others, will be met out to you - deal with it now, or face the One who will deal with you, absent of the mercy you failed to show others.

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4. In your world are the Ten Commandments of any value?

Absolutely, Jesus came to FULFILL the Law of Moses, called it our schoolmaster - and brought it to the logical conclusion for believers, the Law of LOVE, the New Testament / Covenant.   1 Corinthians 13.  1 John 3.  Grow up, learn to live, enjoy the freedom there is in Jesus Christ!

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5. And now we come to the biggest fallacy of all, your own hypocrisy. It is relevant of your kind to judge all others, and like in virtually every topic you endeavor that too is filled with the words of a hypocrite. You say not to judge, yet all you do is judge others. You claim that others hate, yet it is you that shows hate. You accuse others of crimes yet it is you master that has been convicted of crimes (fraud is a crime) even if only in a civil court. And I will not get into the lies that you perpetrate, and support in others. God did not choose trump, fools like you did just as the Israelites chose Saul in 1Samuel 12: 13-24, and be aware of the warnings from God. God did choose David, however, that was before David turned wicked (1Samuel ; 16), and punished him, and the nation of Israel, for that wickedness. They were warned just as your kind were. and they rejected God just as your kind has. And now America is paying for your deeds (1Samuel 8)

You error, as the heart of the king is in the hands of the Lord.  God raises up whomever He chooses for whatever purpose He chooses - don't fool yourself, there has never, ever risen a leader in the world - apart from the will of God.   Was not Pharo risen up by God for a specific purpose?   God "hardened" Pharo's heart, Pharo did as God said he would, just as the false prophet blessed Israel instead of cursed Israel.

Your warning is also clear:  1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

I suggest you READ and meditate on the entire Epistle of 1st John.


Andrew Wissmann is lacking any kind of mercy, grace & forgiveness.   He'll continue to be "the accuser of the brethren", and hunt the Trump family (and associates) until he himself is expired.   What a contrast, between President Donald Trump (libs hate that) who finally brought about sentencing reform, and Liberal Democrats who twist every LAW and STATEMENT of this Administration to inflict harm on anyone who even suggests President Trump (libs hate that) is an "OK" fellow!?   The press is replete with statements from President Trump (libs hate that) haters, saying if you served in his administration, you should never be employable again!   WHEN did we hear that kind of language out of even so much as a "never-Trumper"?

Democrats hate, divide, accuse, seek to steal the wealth of the middle class, stifle small businesses, use regulation as a weapon to kill competition.
Conservatives love regardless of race, color or creed, and strive for equal opportunities for every American, expanding the wealth, growing the economy, rewarding self-employment & small businesses.

Quote from: Old Trapper on December 29, 2020, 12:22:13 PM
So tell me fool, just where do YOU get the authority to judge others? Our judgment of men is according to outward traits ( wealth, social etiquette, health, intellect, influence, eloquence, pedigree, and beauty). God judges the heart. Mans judgment is self-centered. We accept people who will increase our ego's with praise. We ignore those who will not increase it.

God gives us the right to inform others of his judgments which he makes clear in the bible. Your atheist religion is keeping you from understanding.

QuoteSince you have obviously never read the Bible your asinine foolishness is again recognized for the trash it is.

But you are the one misrepresenting it. Seems your college prof didnt read it much himself.

QuoteWasn't a joke at the time he said it. And fools like your prove him to be right.

Oh yes, it was absolutely a joke at the time he said it and still today. Some things never change.

QuoteShow me any scripture where God says to select a lying, adulterous, cowardly, thief, as His chosen leader. But since you have never read the Bible you are unaware of scripture such as that found in Psalms 5:4-12, Deuteronomy 16:18-20, or even Exodus 18: 19-22. That is Gods way, not mans. Christ was a chosen one, not trump.

God chooses all types to represent him. Look at abram and his sister. Look at Zechius (didnt spell that right). Look at the king of Assyria, whom God used to punish his enemies. He wld often use the enemies of Israel to punish them. If God can choose the worst pagans and sinners to do his work, he can choose a saint like trump as well.

QuoteOnly for the benefit of liars, and fools, as you have proven yourself to be.

So you have no evidence or proof trump lied to get out of service. Thanks for confirming.

QuoteBased on your reliance on conspiracy websites such as Q-Anon, PragerU, Newsmax, Breitbart 1ANN,? Definitely.

But why cant you show a single conspiracy theory posted by them the way we can show the conspiracy theory of russian collusion was pushed by leftist MSM?

Quote from: T Hunt on December 30, 2020, 09:12:40 AM
God chooses all types to represent him. Look at abram and his sister. Look at Zechius (didnt spell that right). Look at the king of Assyria, whom God used to punish his enemies. He wld often use the enemies of Israel to punish them. If God can choose the worst pagans and sinners to do his work, he can choose a saint like trump as well.

Thank you - great clarification!

Genesis 50:19And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: for am I in the place of God? 20But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.

This is AFTER Joseph's brothers threw him down a well, and he was sold into slavery to Egypt, where he was FRAMED and thrown into prison, FORGOTTEN and finally made 2nd in command of all Pharo's land.  Joseph had every reason to carry a grudge, but FORGAVE those who sinned against HIM (Joseph is considered a "type" or "example" of Christ's character).   But, what business is it of OURS what citizen Donald did in his personal life decades ago?   He certainly acts like a man who has found God's mercy and forgiveness - showing that which he experienced.

Why would anyone want to be associated with a Political Party that holds onto WRONGs (like slavery), causes division (like Obama, who called for punishing enemies and rewarding friends - AMERICANS), endorses & encourages violence (Maxine Waters), and the vitriol / hatred of Chuck Schumer & Nancy Pelosi?  And now we have Andrew Wissmann calling for punishing President Trump (libs hate that) & associates AFTER they leave office...?   These people are SICK!  Bitter, depressing to listen to, lack vision & hope for a better future.  Trump is not god, but compared to Obama, President Trump (libs hate that) is a HUGE step in the right direction!

Quote from: Solar on December 30, 2020, 04:43:30 AM
Still avoiding me I see.... Unless you address my queries over the last week, you're going to get a timeout troll!
Your being gone is no sweat off my nuts, and most will probably be glad to see you gone, so address them in real debate form or say goodnight, this is not a request!!!!

Like the posts from another one of you kiss ass punks, and cowards, like Owebo? Sorry pig f**ker but it is not up to you to decide what I respond to especially when it comes from liars, and cowards. And this is not a bend over like you are used to.

Quote from: Hoofer on December 30, 2020, 05:31:27 AM
nobody, which is why Paul was ADVISING them - read the context.Donald Trump did NOT sin against you, did he?   Prove that he did.   He does not need to ask forgiveness of someone where there is no sin-debt.   Which betrays your lack of understanding of SIN in general.If you realized the error of your statements - you'd leave this theology of hatred & unforgiveness, call it what it is, and repent of foolish thinking.  If you judged yourself, you would not be judged, but the *same* judgement you use on others, will be met out to you - deal with it now, or face the One who will deal with you, absent of the mercy you failed to show others.Absolutely, Jesus came to FULFILL the Law of Moses, called it our schoolmaster - and brought it to the logical conclusion for believers, the Law of LOVE, the New Testament / Covenant.   1 Corinthians 13.  1 John 3.  Grow up, learn to live, enjoy the freedom there is in Jesus Christ!You error, as the heart of the king is in the hands of the Lord.  God raises up whomever He chooses for whatever purpose He chooses - don't fool yourself, there has never, ever risen a leader in the world - apart from the will of God.   Was not Pharo risen up by God for a specific purpose?   God "hardened" Pharo's heart, Pharo did as God said he would, just as the false prophet blessed Israel instead of cursed Israel.

Your warning is also clear:  1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

I suggest you READ and meditate on the entire Epistle of 1st John.


Andrew Wissmann is lacking any kind of mercy, grace & forgiveness.   He'll continue to be "the accuser of the brethren", and hunt the Trump family (and associates) until he himself is expired.   What a contrast, between President Donald Trump (libs hate that) who finally brought about sentencing reform, and Liberal Democrats who twist every LAW and STATEMENT of this Administration to inflict harm on anyone who even suggests President Trump (libs hate that) is an "OK" fellow!?   The press is replete with statements from President Trump (libs hate that) haters, saying if you served in his administration, you should never be employable again!   WHEN did we hear that kind of language out of even so much as a "never-Trumper"?

Democrats hate, divide, accuse, seek to steal the wealth of the middle class, stifle small businesses, use regulation as a weapon to kill competition.
Conservatives love regardless of race, color or creed, and strive for equal opportunities for every American, expanding the wealth, growing the economy, rewarding self-employment & small businesses.

All of these lies, and bull shit, just to kiss the ring of one man. Amazing.

Quote from: Old Trapper on December 30, 2020, 11:51:18 AM
Like the posts from another one of you kiss ass punks, and cowards, like Owebo? Sorry pig f**ker but it is not up to you to decide what I respond to especially when it comes from liars, and cowards. And this is not a bend over like you are used to.

So you just proved my point that not only are you a coward incapable of real debate, but by running away, you just lost another debate.
So here's the thing, since you're unwilling to engage in actual debate, I see no reason you should be allowed to post here.

I'll have Walks give you a couple of weeks off to think about it and if, and when you return, if you still run from debating, you're gone!

Quote from: Solar on December 30, 2020, 01:16:37 PM
So you just proved my point that not only are you a coward incapable of real debate, but by running away, you just lost another debate.
So here's the thing, since you're unwilling to engage in actual debate, I see no reason you should be allowed to post here.

I'll have Walks give you a couple of weeks off to think about it and if, and when you return, if you still run from debating, you're gone!

Old Trapper  is on a two week timeout.  It may help him in his debating skills. 

Quote from: walkstall on December 30, 2020, 05:15:46 PM
Old Trapper  is on a two week timeout.  It may help him in his debating skills. 

So now modern science can undo lobotomies?

Quote from: Solar on December 30, 2020, 05:31:40 PM
So now modern science can undo lobotomies?

No.  But I have set the ground work if he can stay or not. 

Quote from: Solar on December 30, 2020, 05:31:40 PM
So now modern science can undo lobotomies?