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Title: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: Solar on December 27, 2012, 04:13:36 PM

STUPID Freakin Lib!!!

Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:

    Background check of owner and any transferee;
    Type and serial number of the firearm;
    Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
    Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
    Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration.
http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons (http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons)
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: mdgiles on December 27, 2012, 04:16:39 PM
Feinstein - like Cuomo - comes from a deep blue state; so she can introduce bullshit legislation which no red - or even purple - state Dem will support in a million years.
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: Solar on December 27, 2012, 04:26:14 PM
Quote from: mdgiles on December 27, 2012, 04:16:39 PM
Feinstein - like Cuomo - comes from a deep blue state; so she can introduce bullshit legislation which no red - or even purple - state Dem will support in a million years.
This is how it always starts, they demand the world, RINO caves and accepts a dumbed down version of the original demands and both sides claim victory.
But as always, we are the losers.
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: BILLY Defiant on December 27, 2012, 05:57:54 PM
I'm so glad this Bimbo was never elected President...we'd have had her form of gun control and a "first gentlemen" who had organized crime ties.


Billy
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: Yawn on December 27, 2012, 06:55:55 PM
This is why the Constitution must be taught in schools.  Government schools have an interest in keeping the next generation ignorant about their Constitutional rights.  As Reagan said, we are only one generation away from losing our rights/freedoms.

One dumbed-down generation and it's over.
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: The Stranger on December 28, 2012, 05:29:49 AM
Quote from: Yawn on December 27, 2012, 06:55:55 PM
This is why the Constitution must be taught in schools.  Government schools have an interest in keeping the next generation ignorant about their Constitutional rights.  As Reagan said, we are only one generation away from losing our rights/freedoms.

One dumbed-down generation and it's over.

With school age children in the south which I always thought were on the conservative rah rah all about Americans.
We are nearly there sir, American history, constitution, all things I want my kids to learn are all but gone. My oldest was run thru the mill daily in his history class because he KNEW SO MUCH MORE then his HISTORY TEACHER about American History. They learn abut Mexican history, African History, Italian History and much of European and Asian history very little to nothing about American History. He showed his teacher wrong many many times about trivial things such as events during the Civil War, American Revolution and the basics we learned in elementary school.
We must remember todays teachers are the product of the liberal kids of the the 60's, so you get what you sow.
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: Solar on December 28, 2012, 05:41:46 AM
Quote from: Yawn on December 27, 2012, 06:55:55 PM
This is why the Constitution must be taught in schools.  Government schools have an interest in keeping the next generation ignorant about their Constitutional rights.  As Reagan said, we are only one generation away from losing our rights/freedoms.

One dumbed-down generation and it's over.
This is sooo true, and it's also why I fear for the next generation.
They are growing up in a world full of big brother, they are being watched 24/7, they are connected 24/7, they think nothing of posting their daily activities on social media, they aren't concerned about the future, or the consequences of their actions today, coming back on them in twenty years.
No, they have nothing to measure against, because they are the first, and their parents don't realize because they are detached from their lives.

Nope, the next generation is putting their entire lives on the web and it will be there forever, failures, and achievements, they have become calloused to being watched 24/7.
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: The Stranger on December 28, 2012, 07:06:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sBSgchJe2Z0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sBSgchJe2Z0)
See what has happened to our schools.
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: Solar on December 28, 2012, 07:43:21 AM
Quote from: The Stranger on December 28, 2012, 07:06:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sBSgchJe2Z0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sBSgchJe2Z0)
See what has happened to our schools.
WOW! He is absolutely correct, I was one of those problem kids in school with way to much energy to sit still, I completely agree with everything he said, and I applaud his move!

Also note the ignorance of the comments regarding home school, these idiots have no idea how the program works.
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: Charliemyboy on December 28, 2012, 11:46:34 AM
It's too late.  We've already lost our rights.  With drones watching our every move, with xray machines exposing our naked bodies to TSA idiots, with the biggest criminal enterprise in the world, the Muslim Brotherhood, ensconced in the White House, it's over.
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: The Stranger on December 28, 2012, 12:03:44 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 28, 2012, 07:43:21 AM
WOW! He is absolutely correct, I was one of those problem kids in school with way to much energy to sit still, I completely agree with everything he said, and I applaud his move!

Also note the ignorance of the comments regarding home school, these idiots have no idea how the program works.
I was also a hyper student in school and if it wasn't for one of my Jr. High teachers who was all old school, class trips to a park(learning required). Nothing worse then saying Ma my teacher is at the front door at dinner time, Wow. :cry: :cry: And the teacher was right because I didn't get a chance to say anything. Yup that was 40 years ago and just this last year we reconnected on of all places Facebook and he remembered me as well as my mothers death a few years later. That's a teacher and I told him the impact he had in my life. He has hundreds of friends and most are all past students.
He knows he's a relict now and is as sad as we are.
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: mdgiles on December 29, 2012, 07:14:09 AM
Quote from: Charliemyboy on December 28, 2012, 11:46:34 AM
It's too late.  We've already lost our rights.  With drones watching our every move, with xray machines exposing our naked bodies to TSA idiots, with the biggest criminal enterprise in the world, the Muslim Brotherhood, ensconced in the White House, it's over.
It is, if we give up - like you keep advising us to.
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: kramarat on December 29, 2012, 07:44:49 AM
Quote from: mdgiles on December 29, 2012, 07:14:09 AM
It is, if we give up - like you keep advising us to.

Giving up, means accepting full blown socialism............or something much worse. I can't do it.

Funny how the calls for weapons bans get louder and louder, as we continue to get closer to actually having to implement the 2nd amendment for it's intended purpose.
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: kramarat on December 29, 2012, 07:49:56 AM
Oh wait!!!!!

We have nothing to worry about. He promised........................on TV.

Sportsmen for Obama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBHkMADXnOw#)
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: The Stranger on December 30, 2012, 07:00:35 AM
Heston on Guns (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5ju4Gla2odw#!)
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: Bronx on December 30, 2012, 09:29:01 AM
All gun control will do is help Obama and his tit suckers help history not to repeat itselfs. Remember the battle of Athens, Tennesse
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: Solar on January 05, 2013, 09:49:09 PM
Update:

QuoteWhite House weighs broad gun-control agenda in wake of Newtown shootings
By Philip Rucker, Saturday, January 5, 1:57 PM

The White House is weighing a far broader and more comprehensive approach to curbing the nation's gun violence than simply reinstating an expired ban on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition, according to multiple people involved in the administration's discussions.

A working group led by Vice President Biden is seriously considering measures backed by key law enforcement leaders that would require universal background checks for firearm buyers, track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database, strengthen mental health checks, and stiffen penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors, the sources said.

Husein can expect severe backlash if he tries Executive Orders on this nonsense.
But I want to know when giving your son a weapon became illegal, it's always been a Right of Passage since the beginning of time.
Then there is the question of, what constitutes a school, Home schools would have to post signs making illegal to enter neighborhoods.
School grounds are one thing, but near schools?
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: kramarat on January 05, 2013, 10:54:48 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 05, 2013, 09:49:09 PM
Update:

Husein can expect severe backlash if he tries Executive Orders on this nonsense.
But I want to know when giving your son a weapon became illegal, it's always been a Right of Passage since the beginning of time.
Then there is the question of, what constitutes a school, Home schools would have to post signs making illegal to enter neighborhoods.
School grounds are one thing, but near schools?

I'm not gonna worry about it. Obama has been the catalyst behind the most expansive gun and ammo purchases in recent history. Nobody is turning them in...........................unless it's to upgrade. :wink:
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: Solar on January 06, 2013, 07:07:11 AM
Quote from: kramarat on January 05, 2013, 10:54:48 PM
I'm not gonna worry about it. Obama has been the catalyst behind the most expansive gun and ammo purchases in recent history. Nobody is turning them in...........................unless it's to upgrade. :wink:
It's not that as much as it is chipping away at the 2nd.
It's like owning a plane, but if they put enough restrictions on the air, what good is a plane?

Next they will have noise ordinances and make firing a weapon illegal because you might hurt someones hearing.

But your honor, I saved her life.
You also hurt the ears of those around you....30 days and confiscate his guns.

But no, I'm not worried.
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 07:16:39 AM
Quote from: Solar on January 06, 2013, 07:07:11 AM
It's not that as much as it is chipping away at the 2nd.
It's like owning a plane, but if they put enough restrictions on the air, what good is a plane?

Next they will have noise ordinances and make firing a weapon illegal because you might hurt someones hearing.

But your honor, I saved her life.
You also hurt the ears of those around you....30 days and confiscate his guns.

But no, I'm not worried.

I'm a little worried. What the hell would we do if Obama ordered door to door, house to house searches?

Obama is the culmination of decades of government creep. It's pretty scary when you stop and think about it. The constitution means nothing to him..................it's only a hindrance.
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: Solar on January 06, 2013, 07:54:08 AM
Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 07:16:39 AM
I'm a little worried. What the hell would we do if Obama ordered door to door, house to house searches?

Obama is the culmination of decades of government creep. It's pretty scary when you stop and think about it. The constitution means nothing to him..................it's only a hindrance.
That's years off from now, but it's the little ridiculous laws leading to that day which will make it easier for them to follow through on confiscation.

Example: You posted in jest that all libs should be sent to third world countries so as to appreciate the US more.
Some leftist court in the future uses that info to judge you and declares you a threat and mentally unstable, in turn taking your right to own a weapon.

We need to stop these ass holes at every turn, no matter how miniscule the move appears.
Of course we all agree the mentally ill shouldn't possess weapons, but determining the standard of mental illness is the big question.

You must be mentally ill, everyone knows it's impossible to round up a certain group and ship them off to another country....
See my point?
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: JustKari on January 06, 2013, 09:00:34 AM
Quote from: Solar on January 05, 2013, 09:49:09 PM
Update:

Husein can expect severe backlash if he tries Executive Orders on this nonsense.
But I want to know when giving your son a weapon became illegal, it's always been a Right of Passage since the beginning of time.
Then there is the question of, what constitutes a school, Home schools would have to post signs making illegal to enter neighborhoods.
School grounds are one thing, but near schools?

Because you asked, I have to submit a form, even now, that says that guns are permitted on our school grounds.  According to what I have read from the homeschool defence league, if I don't submit that form, they could legally confiscate my guns because we live in a school zone.
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: Solar on January 06, 2013, 09:09:02 AM
Quote from: JustKari on January 06, 2013, 09:00:34 AM
Because you asked, I have to submit a form, even now, that says that guns are permitted on our school grounds.  According to what I have read from the homeschool defence league, if I don't submit that form, they could legally confiscate my guns because we live in a school zone.
Thank you for clarifying my point.

This is very scary, and if you didn't submit such a form, then anyone entering your home with a legal concealed carry would be subject to arrest as well as you for not informing them of the law, or displaying signs indicating you are an unprotected household/school.

This is that little chipping away that I was talking about.
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: JustKari on January 06, 2013, 09:42:07 AM
Quote from: Solar on January 06, 2013, 09:09:02 AM
Thank you for clarifying my point.

This is very scary, and if you didn't submit such a form, then anyone entering your home with a legal concealed carry would be subject to arrest as well as you for not informing them of the law, or displaying signs indicating you are an unprotected household/school.

This is that little chipping away that I was talking about.

Yes, exactly.
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 09:50:22 AM
A guy called into one of the radio programs a couple of weeks ago, that was part of the illegal confiscation of, (legal), firearms in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina..............................house to house searches.

In hindsight, he knows that what they were doing was wrong. At the time, however, he was just a guy in a uniform that was following orders. They gave no thought to the constitutionality of what they were doing. It is a condition that still exists.
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: Solar on January 06, 2013, 10:05:34 AM
Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 09:50:22 AM
A guy called into one of the radio programs a couple of weeks ago, that was part of the illegal confiscation of, (legal), firearms in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina..............................house to house searches.

In hindsight, he knows that what they were doing was wrong. At the time, however, he was just a guy in a uniform that was following orders. They gave no thought to the constitutionality of what they were doing. It is a condition that still exists.
Perfect example why we have to fight every step a lib takes, we need to educate constantly so this doesn't happen again.
If that had happened in my County, people would be dead, because most in my area wouldn't relinquish any weapons.
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 10:13:56 AM
Quote from: Solar on January 06, 2013, 10:05:34 AM
Perfect example why we have to fight every step a lib takes, we need to educate constantly so this doesn't happen again.
If that had happened in my County, people would be dead, because most in my area wouldn't relinquish any weapons.

Of course we have to fight. Problem is, the dead people in your county would be your neighbors.

If we learned anything in Waco, it's that they will bring more people and bigger guns.

I think that, (if anyone), Texas is reaching the point of putting the entire 2nd amendment to work. All states should be doing it.

No evil intent.......................but just in case.

The Second Amendment contains two clauses, the Militia Clause (A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State) and the Right to Arms Clause (the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed).
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: Solar on January 06, 2013, 10:20:51 AM
Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 10:13:56 AM
Of course we have to fight. Problem is, the dead people in your county would be your neighbors.

If we learned anything in Waco, it's that they will bring more people and bigger guns.

I think that, (if anyone), Texas is reaching the point of putting the entire 2nd amendment to work. All states should be doing it.

No evil intent.......................but just in case.

The Second Amendment contains two clauses, the Militia Clause (A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State) and the Right to Arms Clause (the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed).
Sadly tis true, but our Fore Fathers did the same, lesson learned.
And if it happened again, new people would learn that Govt can't cross that line.
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: BILLY Defiant on January 06, 2013, 04:27:48 PM
Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 07:16:39 AM
I'm a little worried. What the hell would we do if Obama ordered door to door, house to house searches?

Obama is the culmination of decades of government creep. It's pretty scary when you stop and think about it. The constitution means nothing to him..................it's only a hindrance.

How many cops you think would do that?.....I've been a professional law man and security consultant for almost 40 years and MOST of those I know in the profession, either active duty or retired would not do this.

Do you realize the logisitics of such an effort?

It would be impractical.

However, i think Obamao is drunk with power enough to think he could try something like this.

Billy
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 04:36:19 PM
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on January 06, 2013, 04:27:48 PM
How many cops you think would do that?.....I've been a professional law man and security consultant for almost 40 years and MOST of those I know in the profession, either active duty or retired would not do this.

Do you realize the logisitics of such an effort?

It would be impractical.

However, i think Obamao is drunk with power enough to think he could try something like this.

Billy


NRA: The Untold Story of Gun Confiscation After Katrina (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4#)
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: BILLY Defiant on January 06, 2013, 04:49:01 PM
Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 04:36:19 PM
NRA: The Untold Story of Gun Confiscation After Katrina (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4#)

You can't use Katrina as a yard stick. What was the success in a relatively small area of gun confiscation....thats right...and I know what I'm talking about...we tried taking guns off the streets for twenty five years in DC...didn't work after appox 1,000 search warrants.

Now apply that to an area the size of the CONUS and you have an idea of the impossibility of said task.

There are millions of household in the US which have Guns, many by retired and active duty cops,then there are the JUDGES, MAGISTRATES, SHERIFF's and PROSECUTING ATTORNEYS(active and RETIRED) who are armed out of necessity as putting criminals in jail makes you real un popular with them.

If they are going to take everyone's guns away they are going to take away the cops' guns too and make some idiotic rule like Britain where you come in and draw your duty weapon from the Armory.

Trust me on this....cops talk about what they would do if faced with this situation this all the time.

Most will outright refuse and a lot would find a way to bollix the operation if "ordered" to do so.


Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: Solar on January 06, 2013, 04:57:44 PM
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on January 06, 2013, 04:49:01 PM
You can't use Katrina as a yard stick. What was the success in a relatively small area of gun confiscation....thats right...and I know what I'm talking about...we tried taking guns off the streets for twenty five years in DC...didn't work after appox 1,000 search warrants.

Now apply that to an area the size of the CONUS and you have an idea of the impossibility of said task.

There are millions of household in the US which have Guns, many by retired and active duty cops,then there are the JUDGES, MAGISTRATES, SHERIFF's and PROSECUTING ATTORNEYS(active and RETIRED) who are armed out of necessity as putting criminals in jail makes you real un popular with them.

If they are going to take everyone's guns away they are going to take away the cops' guns too and make some idiotic rule like Britain where you come in and draw your duty weapon from the Armory.

Trust me on this....cops talk about what they would do if faced with this situation this all the time.

Most will outright refuse and a lot would find a way to bollix the operation if "ordered" to do so.
I agree Billy, it was an anomaly. Husein wouldn't use local enforcement, he'd approach it with some other entity, say the IRS, considering the size of that monster.
I just don't see it happening in our lifetime, but I do see it coming eventually.
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: BILLY Defiant on January 06, 2013, 05:08:26 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 06, 2013, 04:57:44 PM
I agree Billy, it was an anomaly. Husein wouldn't use local enforcement, he'd approach it with some other entity, say the IRS, considering the size of that monster.
I just don't see it happening in our lifetime, but I do see it coming eventually.

He could use IRS due to sheer manpower and that would be an outright failure...EVERYBODY hates the IRS.

Likely what would happen is every FEDERAL Law enforcement agent would be impressed into service to augment the IRS. They would have to be sworn in as US Marhsals as the IRS has no specific legal authority to confiscate a firearm.

Many of the FBI, Marshals, DEA and a few of the ATF  would refuse outright, some would just call in sick. A few of the Heiarchy would likely hand in their resignations.

Anybody with a brain would then know it would come down to the Feds against the local cops.

Billy

Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: kramarat on January 07, 2013, 04:55:49 AM
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on January 06, 2013, 04:49:01 PM
You can't use Katrina as a yard stick. What was the success in a relatively small area of gun confiscation....thats right...and I know what I'm talking about...we tried taking guns off the streets for twenty five years in DC...didn't work after appox 1,000 search warrants.

Now apply that to an area the size of the CONUS and you have an idea of the impossibility of said task.

There are millions of household in the US which have Guns, many by retired and active duty cops,then there are the JUDGES, MAGISTRATES, SHERIFF's and PROSECUTING ATTORNEYS(active and RETIRED) who are armed out of necessity as putting criminals in jail makes you real un popular with them.

If they are going to take everyone's guns away they are going to take away the cops' guns too and make some idiotic rule like Britain where you come in and draw your duty weapon from the Armory.

Trust me on this....cops talk about what they would do if faced with this situation this all the time.

Most will outright refuse and a lot would find a way to bollix the operation if "ordered" to do so.

I think I can use Katrina as a yardstick......................along with Kent State, Waco, Ruby Ridge...................

What shocked me about the post Katrina confiscation, was that it happened under the Bush administration. Where was the guy in the chain of command saying, "We can't do this"?

Cops might refuse the order, but are a bunch of kids in the National Guard going to disobey a direct order?

I'm not saying it will happen, but Obama scares me. He has no reverence for the constitution at all; and I also think that he would love to see a disarmed America.

Remember too; the constitution isn't even taught in schools anymore. I don't think that most people under the age of 30, would even have a clue about the 2nd amendment........................particularly when Obama gets on TV and says that it's a right to go hunting. :sad:
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: The Stranger on January 07, 2013, 06:24:51 AM
The government would salivate at the first death of a Gov. Emp. being killed by an American refusing to give up his/her guns. They would have a back room orgy in the W-H just like they do now whenever some nutjobs shoots up a school or theater or whatever.
We folks fail to remember the 47% head start he already has on us! He's just got to mention Your food stamps may be delayed if we have to fight gun owners. Or it's costing us so much money to fight gun ownership your subsidy will be delayed, they would go riot in the streets.
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: raptor5618 on January 07, 2013, 12:09:25 PM
Well the discussion has already begun in NY state.  I think in the city it is really difficult to own a gun and if I am correct you have to house it at a gun storage facility.  So if I am right then they have already started the process in a city the size of NY.  No they do not go door to door but I bet that those who do not want to get into trouble with the law comply or do not own a gun even if they would like too. Over the last few years it is impossible to get a gun without some kind of registration when you get it.  Go to a small town with the national guard and start taking guns and most would not be so crazy to try and fight to keep them.  Word gets around and lots of people not wanting to get into a battle with the national guard would voluntarily turn them in.

One step at a time and even those who would resist become less and less able as those around them give in, taking them out of the group who could resist the government. 

I work in NY state and some of the people up hear talked to police who would not want to undertake such a thing and some of these people would resist I am sure.  But Germany had a military that was probably the best in the world at the time but the forces resisting them were just too much so that in time their ability to resist was not great enough to keep up the fight.  If that military could be beaten down to rubble it is hard to imagine that the citizens of this country would be strong enough to resist the will of the federal government.

The fact that they have the outrageous gall to even talk about taking away what is a fundamental right should be enough to enlighten everyone that the war against guns is well underway and in my mind we have already gone beyond the turning point.  They have the political power and the media is nothing but their propaganda branch.   I own quite a few guns but live in a small town where crime is not nonexistent but is fairly low.  So I never understood the perspective that someone would want or need an AR or M16. I knew they must be fun to shoot but in my mind I never considered it something worth fighting about keeping.   I was not going to support banning them and certainly not confiscating them but at the same time thought that they really did not need to have these guns. 

Well time has changed that view and if I had the cash right now I would own at least one and maybe several.   maybe a 50 cal and one of those new M110's.    I honestly can see there will come a day where those who own them will be glad that they bought them and those without them will curse that they did not have the foresight to realize they should have one in their home.   
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: BILLY Defiant on January 07, 2013, 06:10:24 PM
Quote from: raptor5618 on January 07, 2013, 12:09:25 PM
Well the discussion has already begun in NY state.  I think in the city it is really difficult to own a gun and if I am correct you have to house it at a gun storage facility.  So if I am right then they have already started the process in a city the size of NY.  No they do not go door to door but I bet that those who do not want to get into trouble with the law comply or do not own a gun even if they would like too. Over the last few years it is impossible to get a gun without some kind of registration when you get it.  Go to a small town with the national guard and start taking guns and most would not be so crazy to try and fight to keep them.  Word gets around and lots of people not wanting to get into a battle with the national guard would voluntarily turn them in.

One step at a time and even those who would resist become less and less able as those around them give in, taking them out of the group who could resist the government. 

I work in NY state and some of the people up hear talked to police who would not want to undertake such a thing and some of these people would resist I am sure.  But Germany had a military that was probably the best in the world at the time but the forces resisting them were just too much so that in time their ability to resist was not great enough to keep up the fight.  If that military could be beaten down to rubble it is hard to imagine that the citizens of this country would be strong enough to resist the will of the federal government.

The fact that they have the outrageous gall to even talk about taking away what is a fundamental right should be enough to enlighten everyone that the war against guns is well underway and in my mind we have already gone beyond the turning point.  They have the political power and the media is nothing but their propaganda branch.   I own quite a few guns but live in a small town where crime is not nonexistent but is fairly low.  So I never understood the perspective that someone would want or need an AR or M16. I knew they must be fun to shoot but in my mind I never considered it something worth fighting about keeping.   I was not going to support banning them and certainly not confiscating them but at the same time thought that they really did not need to have these guns. 

Well time has changed that view and if I had the cash right now I would own at least one and maybe several.   maybe a 50 cal and one of those new M110's.    I honestly can see there will come a day where those who own them will be glad that they bought them and those without them will curse that they did not have the foresight to realize they should have one in their home.

Well like I said earlier, they (the cops) have been trying to get guns off the streets for decades in NYC and I guarentee you I could walk into the place cold and within an hour buy a gun on the street.

NYC was one of those source cities for unregistered guns, Mafia hoods who control the longshore unions would have them steal whole crates of guns coming in from foreign countries like Brazil and Italy.
The paperwork / bill of laden in the back office of the shipping company would somehow magically disappear also.

Cops to this day pick up guns off the street hoodlums that cannot be traced.
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: raptor5618 on January 08, 2013, 06:55:30 AM
Taking away guns or banning them is clearly a veiled plan that uses a lie to come to an end that further empowers the  government.  Only a total fool can believe that any regulation will have any effect on reducing crimes where a gun is involved.   Drugs can be easily purchased any where in this country and they are illegal and most of the drugs do not even originate inside our borders.  We cannot even keep it out of the country. 

Even if yo could magically get rid of every gun in the US and keep all guns from crossing the border, a quick look around the world will show that those with ill intent will find a weapon that will do great harm.  Lots of atrocities were committed without a gun. 

It is just ridiculous and if anyone sat down and thought rationally about what nonsense the anti-gun people are passing off as facts this would not even be a discussion.  But so many people in this country have been turned into sheep that they follow the path they are told to go down without question and if you have enjoyed lamb on your dinner table lately I think you might understand that such compliance often does not end well for those who do and go where they are told.
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: Solar on January 08, 2013, 07:23:13 AM
Idiots, or agenda?

You know you live in a Country run by idiots if.... Being stripped of the
ability to defend yourself makes you "safe".
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: raptor5618 on January 08, 2013, 07:34:38 AM
Quote from: Solar on January 08, 2013, 07:23:13 AM
Idiots, or agenda?

You know you live in a Country run by idiots if.... Being stripped of the
ability to defend yourself makes you "safe".

While I do think that the Dem party is lead by a bunch of idiots with fewer idiots in the GOP party I guess I wonder if it is not those in DC who are the idiots but the majority of voters who listen to them. If I want to control you and know I can achieve that goal by saying the most idiotic things (listen to most campaign speeches) and "We the idiots" believe that is what you are going to do and it make perfect sense who is the idiot. 

Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: Darth Fife on January 08, 2013, 07:20:48 PM
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on January 06, 2013, 04:49:01 PM
You can't use Katrina as a yard stick. What was the success in a relatively small area of gun confiscation....thats right...and I know what I'm talking about...we tried taking guns off the streets for twenty five years in DC...didn't work after appox 1,000 search warrants.

Now apply that to an area the size of the CONUS and you have an idea of the impossibility of said task.

There are millions of household in the US which have Guns, many by retired and active duty cops,then there are the JUDGES, MAGISTRATES, SHERIFF's and PROSECUTING ATTORNEYS(active and RETIRED) who are armed out of necessity as putting criminals in jail makes you real un popular with them.

If they are going to take everyone's guns away they are going to take away the cops' guns too and make some idiotic rule like Britain where you come in and draw your duty weapon from the Armory.

Trust me on this....cops talk about what they would do if faced with this situation this all the time.

Most will outright refuse and a lot would find a way to bollix the operation if "ordered" to do so.

Billy, Billy, Billy, you surprise me!

Of course no one is going to come right out and say, "Hey you cops, I want you to confiscate all of the firearms from law abiding citizens."

No, it will (and is) start with the fringes - laws will be enacted to confiscated guns from people will serious mental problems. Once that is achieved they will lower the bar - let's say confiscating guns from people who have been charged with domestic abuse (even if a gun was not involved).

Once that is pretty much taken care of, they will lower the bar again. This time, perhaps they will enact a law which requires anyone convicted of a DUI to surrender their guns or have them confiscated by the police.

Slowly, the circle will grow ever smaller. The next target may be people in contested divorces. The law will say something like the guns will be collected "for safe keeping" until the divorce is resolved, but they will find an excuse not to return them to their owners.

Next target. People who hold "extremist" political views. Certain types of organizations will be deemed "dangerous" and will be subject to raids based on the flimsiest of excuses - in these raids (no-knock middle of the night affairs) any and all firearms will be confiscated and destroyed - for the safety of the community, don't ya know.

Do you know any cop who will refuse to confiscate a weapon if he is told the owner poses a threat to the "safety of the community"?

And so it will go, until, eventually the simple act of owning a gun will be viewed as a danger to society.

But, don't worry, the criminals will still have their guns!
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: mdgiles on January 09, 2013, 06:29:13 AM
Quote from: kramarat on January 07, 2013, 04:55:49 AM
I think I can use Katrina as a yardstick......................along with Kent State, Waco, Ruby Ridge...................

What shocked me about the post Katrina confiscation, was that it happened under the Bush administration. Where was the guy in the chain of command saying, "We can't do this"?

Cops might refuse the order, but are a bunch of kids in the National Guard going to disobey a direct order?

I'm not saying it will happen, but Obama scares me. He has no reverence for the constitution at all; and I also think that he would love to see a disarmed America.

Remember too; the constitution isn't even taught in schools anymore. I don't think that most people under the age of 30, would even have a clue about the 2nd amendment........................particularly when Obama gets on TV and says that it's a right to go hunting. :sad:
Kent State? Where it was found out years later that the National Guardsman WERE receiving gunfire from somewhere, probably from some leftists who wanted to create the incident that took place. Ruby Ridge? Where all that time and effort went into confiscating ONE (1) families guns at their isolated home. Waco? Where they had to call up military hardware, to wipe out a group of isolated believers. I don't think any of those incidents with perhaps the exception of Kent State - where the blue collar national guardsman cordially despised well-to-do leftist collegiates - will happen again. Because they were based upon some level of trust between the people and the government, in those far off days we assumed "our" government was in the "right". These days I don't even think the people who run the government, trust the government.

And which people under thirty are you talking about. Remember when you talk about the average OWS type and you speak of some working Joe, your talking about two entirely different species. Think the youngsters in Texas are the same as the youngsters in NY?
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: The Stranger on January 09, 2013, 06:34:21 AM
Quote from: mdgiles on January 09, 2013, 06:29:13 AMThink the youngsters in Texas are the same as the youngsters in NY?

:thumbsup: :thumbup: :cry: :laugh:
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: kramarat on January 09, 2013, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: mdgiles on January 09, 2013, 06:29:13 AM
Kent State? Where it was found out years later that the National Guardsman WERE receiving gunfire from somewhere, probably from some leftists who wanted to create the incident that took place. Ruby Ridge? Where all that time and effort went into confiscating ONE (1) families guns at their isolated home. Waco? Where they had to call up military hardware, to wipe out a group of isolated believers. I don't think any of those incidents with perhaps the exception of Kent State - where the blue collar national guardsman cordially despised well-to-do leftist collegiates - will happen again. Because they were based upon some level of trust between the people and the government, in those far off days we assumed "our" government was in the "right". These days I don't even think the people who run the government, trust the government.

And which people under thirty are you talking about. Remember when you talk about the average OWS type and you speak of some working Joe, your talking about two entirely different species. Think the youngsters in Texas are the same as the youngsters in NY?

My point was, the government does these illegal things, (Waco and Katrina were big time illegal), and no one gets prosecuted, no one goes to jail, nothing ever happens.

Now we've got Obama; who apparently doesn't recognize any constitutional limits on government, and it doesn't look like anyone is interested in stopping him.
Title: Re: And So It Begins: Weapon Bans
Post by: raptor5618 on January 09, 2013, 10:52:16 AM
Quote from: kramarat on January 09, 2013, 10:47:38 AM
My point was, the government does these illegal things, (Waco and Katrina were big time illegal), and no one gets prosecuted, no one goes to jail, nothing ever happens.

Now we've got Obama; who apparently doesn't recognize any constitutional limits on government, and it doesn't look like anyone is interested in stopping him.

I think that this sums up my concern as well as I think it can be explained.  It would be bad if someone with good ideas forced his ideals on us but Obama has such an outrageous view that if he is allowed to get his way well I think this country will be in major turmoil for many years to come.