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THE TRUE HISTORY OF MILLSTONE BABIES
October 31, 2018

Having mastered fake news, now the media are trying out a little fake history.

In the news business, new topics are always popping up, from the Logan Act and the emoluments clause to North Korea. The all-star panels rush to Wikipedia, so they can pretend to be experts on things they knew nothing about an hour earlier.

Such is the case today with "anchor babies" and "birthright citizenship." People who know zilch about the history of the 14th Amendment are pontificating magnificently and completely falsely on the issue du jour.

If you'd like to be the smartest person at your next cocktail party by knowing the truth about the 14th Amendment, this is the column for you!

Of course the president can end the citizenship of "anchor babies" by executive order -- for the simple reason that no Supreme Court or U.S. Congress has ever conferred such a right.

It's just something everyone believes to be true.

How could anyone -- even a not-very-bright person -- imagine that granting citizenship to the children of illegal aliens is actually in our Constitution?

The first question would be: Why would they do that? It's like being accused of robbing a homeless person. WHY WOULD I?

The Supreme Court has stated -- repeatedly! -- that the "main object" of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment "was to settle the question ... as to the citizenship of free negroes," making them "citizens of the United States and of the state in which they reside."

Democrats, the entire media and House Speaker Paul Ryan seem to have forgotten the Civil War. They believe that, immediately after a war that ended slavery, Americans rose up as one and demanded that the children of illegals be granted citizenship!

You know what's really bothering me? If someone comes into the country illegally and has a kid, that kid should be an American citizen!




YOU MEAN THAT'S NOT ALREADY IN THE CONSTITUTION?

Give me a scenario -- just one scenario -- where the post-Civil War amendments would be intended to grant citizenship to the kids of Chinese ladies flying to birthing hospitals in California, or pregnant Latin Americans sneaking across the border in the back of flatbed trucks.

You can make it up. It doesn't have to be a true scenario. Any scenario!

As the court has explained again and again and again:


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THE TRUE HISTORY OF MILLSTONE BABIES
October 31, 2018

Having mastered fake news, now the media are trying out a little fake history.

In the news business, new topics are always popping up, from the Logan Act and the emoluments clause to North Korea. The all-star panels rush to Wikipedia, so they can pretend to be experts on things they knew nothing about an hour earlier.

Such is the case today with "anchor babies" and "birthright citizenship." People who know zilch about the history of the 14th Amendment are pontificating magnificently and completely falsely on the issue du jour.

If you'd like to be the smartest person at your next cocktail party by knowing the truth about the 14th Amendment, this is the column for you!

Of course the president can end the citizenship of "anchor babies" by executive order -- for the simple reason that no Supreme Court or U.S. Congress has ever conferred such a right.

It's just something everyone believes to be true.


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All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

So if an illegal alien enters the USA and has some kids, the constitution says they are American citizens seeing as how the document says they are and places no conditions other than being subject to our jurisdiction.

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Of course the president can end the citizenship of "anchor babies" by executive order -- for the simple reason that no Supreme Court or U.S. Congress has ever conferred such a right.
I think any EO might be in conflict with the constitution.

In United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) the Supreme Court decided that a Chinese man born of legal residents in the USA was a citizen.  The case was a matter of allowing a Chinese-American back to the USA in the face of Chinese exclusion laws.

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The Supreme Court has stated -- repeatedly! -- that the "main object" of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment "was to settle the question ... as to the citizenship of free negroes," making them "citizens of the United States and of the state in which they reside." .... As the court has explained again and again and again:
Anyone familiar with these rulings?

How would anyone here word an EO to prevent the children of illegal aliens born in the USA from being natural born?
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So if an illegal alien enters the USA and has some kids, the constitution says they are American citizens seeing as how the document says they are and places no conditions other than being subject to our jurisdiction.

The OP says in part;I think any EO might be in conflict with the constitution.

In United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) the Supreme Court decided that a Chinese man born of legal residents in the USA was a citizen.  The case was a matter of allowing a Chinese-American back to the USA in the face of Chinese exclusion laws.

The OP also says;Anyone familiar with these rulings?

How would anyone here word an EO to prevent the children of illegal aliens born in the USA from being natural born?
Difference being, Chinese were invited by the US Govt, Illegals sneaking across the border are law breakers. Any more questions?
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Exclusion laws are not invitations.  Try again.

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Exclusion laws are not invitations.  Try again.

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The US Federal govt had an agreement with the Chinese people that they were welcome to come and work.
Now tell me, how is this different from someone "ILLEGALLY" Entering The US?
Go ahead, I'll wait.
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The US Federal govt had an agreement with the Chinese people that they were welcome to come and work.
Now tell me, how is this different from someone "ILLEGALLY" Entering The US?
Go ahead, I'll wait.


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The US Federal govt had an agreement with the Chinese people that they were welcome to come and work.
Yeah, so?

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Now tell me, how is this different from someone "ILLEGALLY" Entering The US?
Go ahead, I'll wait.
Because if there was an invitation, then they aren't in the country illegally.

I already said in my above post that the court decision was about parents who were in the country legally but that their son, a US citizen was blocked from entering by exclusion laws.

You're going to injure yourself by repeatedly stepping on the rake.

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Yeah, so?
Because if there was an invitation, then they aren't in the country illegally.

I already said in my above post that the court decision was about parents who were in the country legally but that their son, a US citizen was blocked from entering by exclusion laws.

You're going to injure yourself by repeatedly stepping on the rake.

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Don't make me tell you again. Acting or being a petulant child will end your guest privileges.


I see your disconnect, you don't understand the Constitution.




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Don't make me tell you again. Acting or being a petulant child will end your guest privileges.


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    The True History of Millstone Babies
    Ann Coulter | Posted: Oct 31, 2018 4:06 PM

https://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2018/10/31/the-true-history-of-millstone-babies-n2533765


Ann Coulter's article makes the point that
President Trump CAN "abolish"
birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants
by issuing an Executive Order.

Such "citizenship" does not need to be abolished
because it never lawfully existed to begin with!

A President absolutely DOES have the power to order federal agencies
to stop treating such persons as citizens
because they never were citizens to begin with!

Such an Executive Order would NOT change the law,
it would only order federal agencies to
stop breaking the law that's been in place for 150 years!
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   The True History of Millstone Babies
    Ann Coulter | Posted: Oct 31, 2018 4:06 PM

https://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2018/10/31/the-true-history-of-millstone-babies-n2533765


Ann Coulter's article makes the point that
President Trump CAN "abolish"
birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants
by issuing an Executive Order.

Such "citizenship" does not need to be abolished
because it never lawfully existed to begin with!

A President absolutely DOES have the power to order federal agencies
to stop treating such persons as citizens
because they never were citizens to begin with!

Such an Executive Order would NOT change the law,
it would only order federal agencies to
stop breaking the law that's been in place for 150 years!

Such an Executive Order would NOT change the law,
it would only order federal agencies to
stop breaking the law that's been in place for 150 years!
--- Excellent point. I fear it may be too logical, too reasonable for our confused lefties to fathom, though.

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The case with Wong Kim Ark, was that his parents were PERMANENT LEGAL RESIDENTS of the US, when he was born. Since they were permanent legal residents before the Chinese Exclusion Act, their son was a US citizen by birth. Note the difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL residents. BTW, the clause of the 14th Amendment which refers to: "not subject to the jurisdiction of"; was explained as owing no loyalty to any other jurisdiction other than the US. People marching toward the US carrying the flags of foreign countries, can hardly claim singular loyalty to the US. The more resemble an invading army, and should be treated as such.


EDIT: One further thing. If simply being born upon American soil conferred citizenship, why was it felt necessary for a Congressional act to confer citizenship upon Native American tribes.
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https://thepoliticalinsider.com/man-who-wrote-14th-amendment-explains-it-liberals-are-furious/
Your link is rather one sided.  I think that Thomas (the author of the article in your link) needs an English lesson or two.

Senator Howard was describing the children born of ambassadors, who are also foreigners and aliens.  He was describing one class of people, not three.
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