Calling socialist health care systems that Bernie loves triggers the hell out of libs...

https://conservativehardliner.com/americans-would-never-tolerate-canadas-or-uks-third-world-health-care-system

QuoteFew things trigger leftists more than being told the United States has the best health care in the world.  They've been fooled into believing the American system is inferior to other countries in the field of health care.  What's hilarious is even the most ardent socialists in our country wouldn't for a day tolerate what Canadian and NHS citizens suffer.

No first-world system has 6 to 12+ month wait times for non-urgent care.  These countries take it as a badge of honor for some reason, because it's "cheaper".  Wait a year for a knee replacement?  Or to get a new hip?  Or replace a herniated disc?  No way I could live in a country with that low of a quality of life.  Here's a Canadian doctor talking about wait times to a guy who thinks breadlines are a "good thing":

Nice work with the post.

The underlying report used to display Canadian wait times was nice to peruse.

The wait times didn't seem bad, and other countries with Universal Healthcare have even shorter times.

Unfortunately I couldn't find and wait time data for the US.

Anecdotally, my co-worker just had to wait about 3.5 weeks to see a specialist

Quote from: joesixpack on January 13, 2020, 08:40:29 AM
Nice work with the post.

The underlying report used to display Canadian wait times was nice to peruse.

The wait times didn't seem bad, and other countries with Universal Healthcare have even shorter times.

Unfortunately I couldn't find and wait time data for the US.

Anecdotally, my co-worker just had to wait about 3.5 weeks to see a specialist

I am seeing 3 specialist and the wait was under 4 days for each.  Your co-worker need to ask their doctor why that long.

Quote from: walkstall on January 13, 2020, 08:51:30 AM

It depends a lot on what it's for. Even in the report on Canada many wait times are short.

It also depends on the region, 1 in particular in Canada had longer wait times than the others combined almost

The spin that is used when saying "non urgent" is disingenuous. How do they know the problem is non urgent if they don't give you the needed care to begin with? In the US if you got to the ER complaining of neurological issues they will examine you and then send you up for tests and scans. Then you will bee seen by the specialist and if you are not diagnosed a course of action is devised in the UK, do they do the scans? No. In the UK they examine you and then send you home where you wait weeks to see the specialist. once you see the specialist do you get the tests and scans? No. You go home and wait for your date. Once you have the scans you wait for your date to see the specialist for the results. Do you see the specialist? No. He's too busy because there are not enough doctors in the NHS. So, you see a nurse practitioner who reads a report but can't answer any questions because she is not a specialist. What would take a few hours in the US takes months in the UK.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 13, 2020, 11:12:18 AM
The spin that is used when saying "non urgent" is disingenuous. How do they know the problem is non urgent if they don't give you the needed care to begin with? In the US if you got to the ER complaining of neurological issues they will examine you and then send you up for tests and scans. Then you will bee seen by the specialist and if you are not diagnosed a course of action is devised in the UK, do they do the scans? No. In the UK they examine you and then send you home where you wait weeks to see the specialist. once you see the specialist do you get the tests and scans? No. You go home and wait for your date. Once you have the scans you wait for your date to see the specialist for the results. Do you see the specialist? No. He's too busy because there are not enough doctors in the NHS. So, you see a nurse practitioner who reads a report but can't answer any questions because she is not a specialist. What would take a few hours in the US takes months in the UK.

I'm posting this in the comments.....

Quote from: joesixpack on January 13, 2020, 08:57:22 AM
It depends a lot on what it's for. Even in the report on Canada many wait times are short.

It also depends on the region, 1 in particular in Canada had longer wait times than the others combined almost

Therein lies the issue! The US does mot have wait times!

Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 13, 2020, 11:12:18 AM
The spin that is used when saying "non urgent" is disingenuous. How do they know the problem is non urgent if they don't give you the needed care to begin with? In the US if you got to the ER complaining of neurological issues they will examine you and then send you up for tests and scans. Then you will bee seen by the specialist and if you are not diagnosed a course of action is devised in the UK, do they do the scans? No. In the UK they examine you and then send you home where you wait weeks to see the specialist. once you see the specialist do you get the tests and scans? No. You go home and wait for your date. Once you have the scans you wait for your date to see the specialist for the results. Do you see the specialist? No. He's too busy because there are not enough doctors in the NHS. So, you see a nurse practitioner who reads a report but can't answer any questions because she is not a specialist. What would take a few hours in the US takes months in the UK.

Well said Boo...

Quote from: Solar on January 13, 2020, 11:29:47 AM
Therein lies the issue! The US does mot have wait times!

That's simply not true. I already gave an example.

Unless you're talking about ER wait times?

If that's the case, I'll ask about it when I get back to work on Thursday the 23rd

Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 13, 2020, 11:12:18 AM
The spin that is used when saying "non urgent" is disingenuous. How do they know the problem is non urgent if they don't give you the needed care to begin with? In the US if you got to the ER complaining of neurological issues they will examine you and then send you up for tests and scans. Then you will bee seen by the specialist and if you are not diagnosed a course of action is devised in the UK, do they do the scans? No. In the UK they examine you and then send you home where you wait weeks to see the specialist. once you see the specialist do you get the tests and scans? No. You go home and wait for your date. Once you have the scans you wait for your date to see the specialist for the results. Do you see the specialist? No. He's too busy because there are not enough doctors in the NHS. So, you see a nurse practitioner who reads a report but can't answer any questions because she is not a specialist. What would take a few hours in the US takes months in the UK.

Are you from the UK?

If they examine you and determine your life isn't in threat, is there something wrong with scheduling a follow-up for a specialist?

I went to the ER 3 or 4 years ago with chest pains...first, it was the urgent Care where I had to pay $200 for an EKG.

They referred me across the street to the hospital where they checked my blood pressure and did an x-ray on me and determined that I had a chest bruise from working out.

Then I got a bill at home for $14K because I had just begun my new job and didn't qualify for the insurance yet.

That entire process lasted about 4 hours.

Quote from: joesixpack on January 13, 2020, 12:51:49 PM
Are you from the UK?

If they examine you and determine your life isn't in threat, is there something wrong with scheduling a follow-up for a specialist?

I went to the ER 3 or 4 years ago with chest pains...first, it was the urgent Care where I had to pay $200 for an EKG.

They referred me across the street to the hospital where they checked my blood pressure and did an x-ray on me and determined that I had a chest bruise from working out.

Then I got a bill at home for $14K because I had just begun my new job and didn't qualify for the insurance yet.

That entire process lasted about 4 hours.

What I posted happened to my brother-in-law. He began having neurological issues. Blurred vision, numbness in an arm, loss of balance and severe migraines. When the migraine got so bad my sister took him to the ER. He explained his symptoms and then said he needs to have brain scans but a specialist makes that determination. So, they gave him something for the migraine and sent him home. Weeks later he finally had the results of the scans but didn't understand what the problem was because he didn't see the specialist for the results. After weeks of waiting they still had no answer and had to pay to see a private doctor. This time they had an appointment and the scans and the results in a week.

What took a few months in the UK would take 4-5 hours in a US hospital.

I worked in Europe for a few years and we had a manufacturing plant in the UK that I visited regularly. All the managers had company supplied private insurance. When the subject came up my UK associate told me that if you scheduled an appointment to have a wart removed, then by the time you saw a doctor he would be removing your foot for gangrene. Apparently this was not his own interpretation but instead a common UK description for their government system.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 13, 2020, 02:26:03 PM
What I posted happened to my brother-in-law. He began having neurological issues. Blurred vision, numbness in an arm, loss of balance and severe migraines. When the migraine got so bad my sister took him to the ER. He explained his symptoms and then said he needs to have brain scans but a specialist makes that determination. So, they gave him something for the migraine and sent him home. Weeks later he finally had the results of the scans but didn't understand what the problem was because he didn't see the specialist for the results. After weeks of waiting they still had no answer and had to pay to see a private doctor. This time they had an appointment and the scans and the results in a week.

What took a few months in the UK would take 4-5 hours in a US hospital.

I used this to reply to someone mentioning something similar about Brits using private insurance....

Another anecdote that happened to me today:

My company switch healthcare providers in October.

My current doctor doesn't take the new provider.

I called someone in-network to set up an appointment and the had 2 dates available for new patients. Jan. 24 or Feb. 26.

Our system has plenty of waiting involved in it

Jan 24th? That's not a wait.
If it is something small then go to the local clinic of your choice and get what you need.

If it is critical then you can go to the ER. When you have Obama Care that is where you go anyways because there is no co-pay at the ER. Remember how Obama Care was going to prevent people from going to the ER? It did the opposite. Obama Care was all a lie caused by the right and left. If you have a problem with only 15% of the population then they could fix that without ruining it for the 85%.  The reason your employer probably had to change their provider was most likely because Obama Care directive costs. The other problem is because a group of lawyers now sitting in Congress will not do anything to fix our blackmail system called the courts. This is one subject that the Europeans have correct.