All 2016 GOP Contenders Support ‘Amnesty’

Started by tac, February 16, 2015, 05:03:49 AM

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tac

All 2016 GOP Contenders Support 'Amnesty'

JAMIE WEINSTEIN

Anyone who has ever used the term "Shamnesty" — or, more likely, "SHAMNESTY!!!!" — is going to hate the likely 2016 GOP presidential field. All of it.
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Of course, most GOP contenders who support an ultimate pathway to citizenship, or at least a process of normalization, condition their support on things like further securing America's Southern border and making illegal immigrants pay a financial penalty. But nearly all support the general principle: most of the 11 million illegal immigrants who violated America's laws in making their way into the country should be allowed to stay and work in the country so long as they haven't committed any further crimes.



I'm not really surprised.

redbeard

Quote from: tac on February 16, 2015, 05:03:49 AM
All 2016 GOP Contenders Support 'Amnesty'

JAMIE WEINSTEIN

Anyone who has ever used the term "Shamnesty" — or, more likely, "SHAMNESTY!!!!" — is going to hate the likely 2016 GOP presidential field. All of it.
...
Of course, most GOP contenders who support an ultimate pathway to citizenship, or at least a process of normalization, condition their support on things like further securing America's Southern border and making illegal immigrants pay a financial penalty. But nearly all support the general principle: most of the 11 million illegal immigrants who violated America's laws in making their way into the country should be allowed to stay and work in the country so long as they haven't committed any further crimes.



I'm not really surprised.

Wrong!!!

QuoteScott Walker does not support amnesty

the smear campaign continues





Walker does NOT support amnesty unless you are defining amnesty in a completely extreme way. HotAir.com clarified the issue with him in an interview:





Towards the end of the interview, Bannon noted that "Amnesty is about the sovereignty of the country." But, he asked Walker, "the Washington Post said earlier that you're pro-pathway to citizenship."

"See now that's where they take it out of context," Walker said in response. "I've not said there should be amnesty in this country. I don't believe that. I don't support the legislation being kicked around. What I've said repeatedly is we need to fix the immigration system, but fix the legal system. So if people want to come in this country we should have a legal immigration system."

Bannon then interjected: "And take care of the borders and everything we have to do first."

Walker concurred, saying that any immigration reform efforts should "fix the front door."


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/19/Exclusive-Gov-Scott-Walker-I-don-t-support-amnesty-or-pathway-to-citizenship-mainstream-took-me-out-of-context

http://www.redstate.com/diary/cheesycon/2014/02/21/scott-walker-support-amnesty/

Darth Fife

Yeah... I caught that about Walker. The quote in the article about him supposedly being in favor of amnesty was rather weak, and it came from an anonymous member of the governor's staff or campaign team or something like that - not from Walker himself.

That unnamed source was probably a RINO or Democrat plant!


redbeard

Quote from: Darth Fife on February 16, 2015, 10:37:37 AM
Yeah... I caught that about Walker. The quote in the article about him supposedly being in favor of amnesty was rather weak, and it came from an anonymous member of the governor's staff or campaign team or something like that - not from Walker himself.

That unnamed source was probably a RINO or Democrat plant!
Actually the part Quoted as his came from the interviewer!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

walkstall

QuoteScott Walker does not support amnesty

the smear campaign continues




Walker does NOT support amnesty unless you are defining amnesty in a completely extreme way. HotAir.com clarified the issue with him in an interview:






Towards the end of the interview, Bannon noted that "Amnesty is about the sovereignty of the country." But, he asked Walker, "the Washington Post said earlier that you're pro-pathway to citizenship."

"See now that's where they take it out of context," Walker said in response. "I've not said there should be amnesty in this country. I don't believe that. I don't support the legislation being kicked around. What I've said repeatedly is we need to fix the immigration system, but fix the legal system. So if people want to come in this country we should have a legal immigration system."

Bannon then interjected: "And take care of the borders and everything we have to do first."

Walker concurred, saying that any immigration reform efforts should "fix the front door."


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/19/Exclusive-Gov-Scott-Walker-I-don-t-support-amnesty-or-pathway-to-citizenship-mainstream-took-me-out-of-context


Now you know this will piss Vinny off right? 
A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

walkstall

I see Walker has put his foot down on March 26, 2015. 

snip~
Where does Scott Walker stand on the thorny subjects of immigration reform and a pathway to citizenship?

Well, it's increasingly difficult to tell -- especially after the Wall Street Journal today reported that, according to three people present, he told a March 13 private dinner of New Hampshire Republicans that he favored a way for undocumented immigrants to obtain citizenship.

snip~
March 26, 2015: Now the Walker campaign is denying the Wall Street Journal piece. "We strongly dispute this account," Walker spokeswoman Kirsten Kukowski said in a statement. "Governor Walker has been very clear that he does not support amnesty and believes that border security must be established and the rule of law must be followed. His position has not changed, he does not support citizenship for illegal immigrants, and this story is false."

more @
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/walker-position-immigration-becomes-increasingly-unclear-n330736
A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

redbeard

Quote from: walkstall on March 26, 2015, 08:02:48 PM
I see Walker has put his foot down on March 26, 2015. 

snip~
Where does Scott Walker stand on the thorny subjects of immigration reform and a pathway to citizenship?

Well, it's increasingly difficult to tell -- especially after the Wall Street Journal today reported that, according to three people present, he told a March 13 private dinner of New Hampshire Republicans that he favored a way for undocumented immigrants to obtain citizenship.

snip~
March 26, 2015: Now the Walker campaign is denying the Wall Street Journal piece. "We strongly dispute this account," Walker spokeswoman Kirsten Kukowski said in a statement. "Governor Walker has been very clear that he does not support amnesty and believes that border security must be established and the rule of law must be followed. His position has not changed, he does not support citizenship for illegal immigrants, and this story is false."

more @
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/walker-position-immigration-becomes-increasingly-unclear-n330736
Just like with Cruz The RINO establishment will go out of their way to discredit this man!  :mad:

reason10

Quote from: tac on February 16, 2015, 05:03:49 AM
All 2016 GOP Contenders Support 'Amnesty'

JAMIE WEINSTEIN

Anyone who has ever used the term "Shamnesty" — or, more likely, "SHAMNESTY!!!!" — is going to hate the likely 2016 GOP presidential field. All of it.
...
Of course, most GOP contenders who support an ultimate pathway to citizenship, or at least a process of normalization, condition their support on things like further securing America's Southern border and making illegal immigrants pay a financial penalty. But nearly all support the general principle: most of the 11 million illegal immigrants who violated America's laws in making their way into the country should be allowed to stay and work in the country so long as they haven't committed any further crimes.



I'm not really surprised.

I see no problem with a path to citizenship. It already exists. It's called IMMIGRATION LAW. Those in this country illegal should have a path to citizenship. They just need to GET THE HELL OUT and get in the back of the line, behind those who followed our laws.

tac

Quote from: reason10 on March 27, 2015, 05:45:11 AM
I see no problem with a path to citizenship. It already exists. It's called IMMIGRATION LAW. Those in this country illegal should have a path to citizenship. They just need to GET THE HELL OUT and get in the back of the line, behind those who followed our laws.

Unfortunately the politicians don't agree.

reason10

Quote from: tac on March 27, 2015, 05:55:33 AM
Unfortunately the politicians don't agree.

I'd say that makes a great case for voting those politicians out of office. That is, if this issue is important enough.

Yeah, we can sit back because we're afraid of the left wing media calling us heartless and mean spirited. And we can watch a criminal president bring in children, all carrying diseases. We can sit back and watch mayors openly defy the law and declare their towns "sanctuary cities." Or we can speak up.

Somehow, I get the impression that when Senator Cruz makes the case for enforcing immigration laws currently on the books, he's going to be a lone voice in the wilderness.

tac

Quote from: reason10 on March 27, 2015, 06:57:07 AM
I'd say that makes a great case for voting those politicians out of office. That is, if this issue is important enough.


Preaching to the choir on that. Unfortunately those voters that like all the 'free' stuff will never cut off the hand that feeds them, be they democrat or republican. I rather doubt that any conservative candidate that runs on that agenda would be fortunate to be elected dog catcher. Both parties rely heavily on those people for their power, and they will never do anything to upset their apple cart. The few that are fortunate enough to be elected to CONgress on the 'reform' platform are quickly swallowed up by the establishment in D.C., and never see the light of day until they change.

Dori

Our immigration is mess and needs fixed.  As far as that 11 million number goes, that's the same number they used after 9/11.  I bet there are 30 million or more here.  Just the numbers alone are a major problem and we probably don't even have enough people to process them all.  I think whatever changes are made, has to be done in steps, not some insane idea about "comprehensive" reform. 

First we should start with closing the border and returning all new arrivals.

Second we should round up any here that have committed crimes and deport them immediately or lock them up.  One problem with this, is a lot of the countries they came from won't take them back. 

We should also deal with those countries.  Put some kind of sanctions on them when their people come here illegally in the first place.

Third, stop giving anchor babies citizenship.  If their parents came here illegally the kids should be considered illegal too. 

Fourth, tackle the huge problem of people here who have overstayed their visas.  We don't even know where most of these people are.  If they are still here or if they have in fact left.

I mentioned before where a lot of them come here on student visas, and we don't even know if they showed up at the schools where they were supposed to attend or if they dropped out. Same with work visas. 

Fifth, better employer responsibility.  There should be very clear laws regarding required documentation and reporting.  We have the I-9 forms, but a lot of that documentation can be counterfeited and I seriously doubt most of those forms are ever audited.  The Feds, and the States have no problem auditing where tax laws are concerned, or even something like workmens' comp insurance. 

Sixth, these amnesty states need to adhere to federal immigration laws, and if they don't, there needs to be some kind of retribution or recourse.

^All of these would take years to refine and implement.  Then there is still the problem of all the one's that are here, living under the radar.   



The danger to America is not Barack Obama but the citizens capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.

tac

Excellent points Dori, however I do not expect any of them to ever be implemented. These people are potential voters that both parties are courting in their effort to maintain their strangle hold on the American people. They will never do anything to upset that apple cart. It's only going to get worse, not better. Until the American finally become fed up with supporting these invaders and revolt.

taxed

Quote from: reason10 on March 27, 2015, 06:57:07 AM
I'd say that makes a great case for voting those politicians out of office. That is, if this issue is important enough.

Yeah, we can sit back because we're afraid of the left wing media calling us heartless and mean spirited. And we can watch a criminal president bring in children, all carrying diseases. We can sit back and watch mayors openly defy the law and declare their towns "sanctuary cities." Or we can speak up.

Somehow, I get the impression that when Senator Cruz makes the case for enforcing immigration laws currently on the books, he's going to be a lone voice in the wilderness.

I don't think so.  The newly elected conservatives will support him, along with the entire country.
#PureBlood #TrumpWon

taxed

Quote from: reason10 on March 27, 2015, 06:57:07 AM
I'd say that makes a great case for voting those politicians out of office. That is, if this issue is important enough.

Yeah, we can sit back because we're afraid of the left wing media calling us heartless and mean spirited. And we can watch a criminal president bring in children, all carrying diseases. We can sit back and watch mayors openly defy the law and declare their towns "sanctuary cities." Or we can speak up.

Somehow, I get the impression that when Senator Cruz makes the case for enforcing immigration laws currently on the books, he's going to be a lone voice in the wilderness.

Who?  Are they still around?
#PureBlood #TrumpWon