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Alabama lawmakers move to eliminate marriage licenses, throw up hands in culture wars.

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Alabama lawmakers may be waving the white flag in the culture wars – advancing a bill that would eliminate marriage licenses entirely, in turn helping judges avoid the gay marriage debate in the conservative state.

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I moved it to Poli, this is too important.
If I'm not mistaken, this will also effect state taxes and how they collect them.
I love this, govt never had any business involving itself in a Religious ceremony, but did for one reason, higher taxes.

I hope all states follow suit.
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This is very bad news to people like me, a genealogist.   Marriage liscense is sometimes the only way we can find out the bride's maiden name, thus enable us to continue thr search of maternal lines.  :mad:

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This is very bad news to people like me, a genealogist.   Marriage liscense is sometimes the only way we can find out the bride's maiden name, thus enable us to continue thr search of maternal lines.  :mad:
Without a license, how could they change names legally? Would there have to be some kind of court record?

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Without a license, how could they change names legally? Would there have to be some kind of court record?

I live in Pennsylvania.  Civil registration of marriages was not required by law statewide until 1885-ish.  Some counties actually did it on their own before then but it was not state mandated. 

A license is PERMISSION to marry by the state.   Without a license a marriage is not legal.
What Alabama is doing is putting the control back into the hands of the people.  You fill out a form and send it into the state and BINGO you are married.  The state is no longer giving permission.

Be prepared to hear that in Alabama humans are marrying their pets, automobiles, siblings.  This ought to be interesting.

I am curious about something.  When I was married a long time ago we had to get blood tested for syphilis.  A doctor's note was necessary to obtain a license.  Is that still true today?  I wonder how Alabama's law will cover that?

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I live in Pennsylvania.  Civil registration of marriages was not required by law statewide until 1885-ish.  Some counties actually did it on their own before then but it was not state mandated. 

A license is PERMISSION to marry by the state.   Without a license a marriage is not legal.
What Alabama is doing is putting the control back into the hands of the people.  You fill out a form and send it into the state and BINGO you are married.  The state is no longer giving permission.

Be prepared to hear that in Alabama humans are marrying their pets, automobiles, siblings.  This ought to be interesting.

I am curious about something.  When I was married a long time ago we had to get blood tested for syphilis.  A doctor's note was necessary to obtain a license.  Is that still true today?  I wonder how Alabama's law will cover that?
I believe we had to take the signed license to the court to get her name changed, or was it the driver license changed. Cant remember, but we had to take the license to be recorded. Anyway, if there is no license, I am guessing to change the name they would have to go thru whatever process people go thru when they want to change their name. To make matters worse, isn't there a state now that does not require gender on birth certificate? Or is that just drivers license? Anyway, can't say I agree with this or disagree, marriage was always a religious ceremony and the damn government should have stayed OUT of it. We would not have this mess if it had. 

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Just another symptom of our weakness. We just continue to exhibit ethical and moral failure in our nation - in this case of the Alabama move, we fall further toward the gay (minority) agenda. And Sharia law is bias against the Muslims - so why not allow communities to live under Sharia law in their religious communities ... only natural, right. We're seeing that too. And so on ...

But it's all good. As the state continues to separate from the Church and those that pursue every lust of their hearts find ways into power to influence our governance, we'll continue to lose our original identification with God. I maintain that the original intent was that people could worship God however they wanted without government intervention. True religion and the idea of right and wrong will continue to dilute - pervert.

Oh, we are so wise and honorable in how we don't discriminate - while the family continues to corrode and our children are exposed to government sponsored influences that confuse them during growth. Yes - parents are to teach their children - but if the state / schools teach the same message then the children grow up in a nurturing community rather than in conflict as they get it now.

Our Republic governance isn't fool proof. But it did slow down the corruption - has lasted for a long time from the original founding intentions and institutions. Ideally , laws are written by the legislature to reinforce individual and community ethics and morals - that is where church and state overlap - the axiomatic morals either come from somewhere (e.g., the Bible) or are arbitrary. At their best, the executive and judicial work to sustain the laws / morals. 

As we act in our wisdom to be impartial to any belief (including atheism belief), we weaken the axioms - undermine the morals that the laws are intended to enforce. The fight goes on to hold off our fall. But the cracks are already in the dam - tick tick. May break next week or in a hundred years ... but it will break given our current trajectory that seems irreversible. The Republic form of government was ingenious - recognized the weakness of fallen men and found a way to stay with the original moral intentions for a long time.


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I live in Pennsylvania.  Civil registration of marriages was not required by law statewide until 1885-ish.  Some counties actually did it on their own before then but it was not state mandated. 

A license is PERMISSION to marry by the state.   Without a license a marriage is not legal.
What Alabama is doing is putting the control back into the hands of the people.  You fill out a form and send it into the state and BINGO you are married.  The state is no longer giving permission.

Be prepared to hear that in Alabama humans are marrying their pets, automobiles, siblings.  This ought to be interesting.



I grew up in Penna. I remember my Mother discussing Marriage license and the blood test, I also remember that there was some test against First Cousins from being Married.(?)
I am curious about something.  When I was married a long time ago we had to get blood tested for syphilis.  A doctor's note was necessary to obtain a license.  Is that still true today?  I wonder how Alabama's law will cover that?
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