AG Sessions: If government shuts down, it's Dems' fault
Attorney General Jeff Sessions indicated Monday that funding for a wall on the U.S. – Mexico border remains a top priority for the Trump administration and that Mexico will pay for it in some form. Speaking on "Fox & Friends," the attorney general flatly said that Congress has the ability and mandate from the American people to build the wall.
"What we need to do is remind Congress and the American people that this president promised this, they voted for it in large numbers," Sessions said. "It was one of the great strengths of his campaign."...
........Sessions touted the fact that in President Trump's first month, illegal immigration from Mexico has fallen 40 percent from where it was under President Obama........
.......Yet Democrats are unwilling even to engage in a discussion on border-wall funding. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., has threatened a government shutdown over the issue, which he calls a "poison pill" in the upcoming omnibus.
"If they put these poison pill amendments in and try to shove them down the American people's throat," Schumer said in March, "of course they might be responsible for shutting the government down."
Jeff Sessions squarely placed the blame for a potential shutdown on the Democrats.
"If the Democrats filibuster that, and block it, they're the ones shutting the whole government down just to keep the wall from being built. No doubt about it."
https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/ag-sessions-if-government-shuts-down-its-dems-fault
My understanding is that the Dims can deliberate on the budget but there is a time limit ... fiscal boundary in September. Then the Pubs can get pretty much whatever they want. So I'm not sure why the Pubs won't just push in a CR and then let the Dims run the debate until September, then put in whatever budget they want. Although, I don't understand what it takes to put a CR in ... can a majority vote do it? BO seemed to get away with it every year somehow - spent well beyond the nations means.
Quote from: topside on April 24, 2017, 05:29:45 PM
My understanding is that the Dims can deliberate on the budget but there is a time limit ... fiscal boundary in September. Then the Pubs can get pretty much whatever they want. So I'm not sure why the Pubs won't just push in a CR and then let the Dims run the debate until September, then put in whatever budget they want. Although, I don't understand what it takes to put a CR in ... can a majority vote do it? BO seemed to get away with it every year somehow - spent well beyond the nations means.
Good point. The CR is only for five months and then we go into the actual budget process. To pass budgetary items only takes 51 votes in the senate. Do not forget Trump is a negotiator. The "wall" is his big chip. If he plays it now he gets it back in September.
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 25, 2017, 04:42:42 AM
Good point. The CR is only for five months and then we go into the actual budget process. To pass budgetary items only takes 51 votes in the senate. Do not forget Trump is a negotiator. The "wall" is his big chip. If he plays it now he gets it back in September.
Exactly. It's my understanding that he needs to keep his budget on the table and then listen to the Dims whine about it until September ... when he can pass it with 51 votes in the senate. A CR keeps the government funded until then. But I don't know what it takes to get a CR approved ... do you?
Quote from: topside on April 25, 2017, 12:31:25 PM
Exactly. It's my understanding that he needs to keep his budget on the table and then listen to the Dims whine about it until September ... when he can pass it with 51 votes in the senate. A CR keeps the government funded until then. But I don't know what it takes to get a CR approved ... do you?
Simple majority in the House and the 60 vote threshold in the Senate to stop a filibuster. I think the democrats are playing with fire on this. If all the republicans vote for the CR it there is no way the democrats can blame the GOP. The snakes in the woodpile are Murkowski, Collins, McCain and Graham.
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 25, 2017, 12:47:33 PM
Simple majority in the House and the 60 vote threshold in the Senate to stop a filibuster. I think the democrats are playing with fire on this. If all the republicans vote for the CR it there is no way the democrats can blame the GOP. The snakes in the woodpile are Murkowski, Collins, McCain and Graham.
So if the Pubs hold the line on the budget and a CR is proposed then either the Dims let the CR pass to keep the govt. working OR they oppose the CR and let the govt. shut down.
Quote from: topside on April 25, 2017, 04:55:29 PM
So if the Pubs hold the line on the budget and a CR is proposed then either the Dims let the CR pass to keep the govt. working OR they oppose the CR and let the govt. shut down.
I believe it's all theater, the Dims can't do a damn thing, but the Pubs use it as an excuse to pass another CR, meaning the sky is the limit and a mean old budget, tying their hands will just have to wait.
Both sides claim victory and both sides wanted a CR anyway.
Quote from: Ms.Independence on April 24, 2017, 02:24:41 PM
AG Sessions: If government shuts down, it's Dems' fault
Attorney General Jeff Sessions indicated Monday that funding for a wall on the U.S. – Mexico border remains a top priority for the Trump administration and that Mexico will pay for it in some form. Speaking on "Fox & Friends," the attorney general flatly said that Congress has the ability and mandate from the American people to build the wall.
"What we need to do is remind Congress and the American people that this president promised this, they voted for it in large numbers," Sessions said. "It was one of the great strengths of his campaign."...
........Sessions touted the fact that in President Trump's first month, illegal immigration from Mexico has fallen 40 percent from where it was under President Obama........
.......Yet Democrats are unwilling even to engage in a discussion on border-wall funding. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., has threatened a government shutdown over the issue, which he calls a "poison pill" in the upcoming omnibus.
"If they put these poison pill amendments in and try to shove them down the American people's throat," Schumer said in March, "of course they might be responsible for shutting the government down."
Jeff Sessions squarely placed the blame for a potential shutdown on the Democrats.
"If the Democrats filibuster that, and block it, they're the ones shutting the whole government down just to keep the wall from being built. No doubt about it."
https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/ag-sessions-if-government-shuts-down-its-dems-fault
Sessions might say it would be the dems fault but the gutless wonder reps sure act like it will be their fault.
The Pubs will take the blame ... the media will see to that.
The actions of the Pubs are practically indefensible at this point given the power and control of the LSM. We have to hope that people will see through the bias. All will probably go with the economy and jobs - although the reduction in handouts (if we man-up and do the cuts) will take a toll.
I think the majority in this administration knows what the right thing to do is ... defend our nation, maintain our infrastructure, move America to produce items of value again, improve the quality of jobs, overturn the govt. growth that happened under BO, and turn the tide toward fiscal responsibility. They were elected to run the Republic - not to pander to popular opinion.
I wish the majority administration would stop sweating to future voting potentials and just do what they promised. I still haven't given up ... expected a fight on the changes. But let the future votes fall where they will. If the voters decide they want more of what they had under BO then it all turns dark again anyway.
It's also important that this administration take every opportunity of the current Dim left extremism ... move the Dims to the right any that they can ... help them implode and reform. Any Dims that work with the majority should be celebrated to a degree to attempt getting a movement in the "right" direction. But the Pubs shouldn't compromise in the main areas - just entice and celebrate any Dims that work constructively. I'm sure some of the moderates want to make a difference and get beyond their lame duck (flock) position they are in now. Even if it's only a few, it may achieve the tipping point. Ok ... I can dream can't I.
Quote from: topside on April 26, 2017, 07:02:07 AM
The Pubs will take the blame ... the media will see to that.
The actions of the Pubs are practically indefensible at this point given the power and control of the LSM. We have to hope that people will see through the bias. All will probably go with the economy and jobs - although the reduction in handouts (if we man-up and do the cuts) will take a toll.
I think the majority in this administration knows what the right thing to do is ... defend our nation, maintain our infrastructure, move America to produce items of value again, improve the quality of jobs, overturn the govt. growth that happened under BO, and turn the tide toward fiscal responsibility. They were elected to run the Republic - not to pander to popular opinion.
I wish the majority administration would stop sweating to future voting potentials and just do what they promised. I still haven't given up ... expected a fight on the changes. But let the future votes fall where they will. If the voters decide they want more of what they had under BO then it all turns dark again anyway.
It's also important that this administration take every opportunity of the current Dim left extremism ... move the Dims to the right any that they can ... help them implode and reform. Any Dims that work with the majority should be celebrated to a degree to attempt getting a movement in the "right" direction. But the Pubs shouldn't compromise in the main areas - just entice and celebrate any Dims that work constructively. I'm sure some of the moderates want to make a difference and get beyond their lame duck (flock) position they are in now. Even if it's only a few, it may achieve the tipping point. Ok ... I can dream can't I.
I think all of this will make a lot more sense if you stop looking at the two party's will differing agendas.
The RNC/GOP Establishment are leftists, they have the same money backers as does the Dim party, they get the same marching orders as do the Dims, the only difference is they are free to go about achieving these goals any way they like.
Their backers tell them they want money spent in certain areas, so they create diversions such as claiming to avoid a govt shutdown, think back to the last so called govt shut down, who did they blame?
That's Right, they blamed cruz, knowing full well the real culprit was the Marxist in the WH, so why throw one of your own under the bus over that of America's enemy?
Because the establishment got their orders from the very same money backers as the Dims.
You see, Conservatives are a bigger threat to both party's very existence, as well as those that give them money, because Conservatives want to kill off their gravy train.
McCon, Ryan, McCain, they aren't there for the people or the nation, they're there as employees of an even more diabolical evil, they work for Marxists.
Now does it make sense why they do, what they do?
Quote from: Solar on April 26, 2017, 09:01:37 AM
I think all of this will make a lot more sense if you stop looking at the two party's will differing agendas.
The RNC/GOP Establishment are leftists, they have the same money backers as does the Dim party, they get the same marching orders as do the Dims, the only difference is they are free to go about achieving these goals any way they like.
Their backers tell them they want money spent in certain areas, so they create diversions such as claiming to avoid a govt shutdown, think back to the last so called govt shut down, who did they blame?
That's Right, they blamed cruz, knowing full well the real culprit was the Marxist in the WH, so why throw one of your own under the bus over that of America's enemy?
Because the establishment got their orders from the very same money backers as the Dims.
You see, Conservatives are a bigger threat to both party's very existence, as well as those that give them money, because Conservatives want to kill off their gravy train.
McCon, Ryan, McCain, they aren't there for the people or the nation, they're there as employees of an even more diabolical evil, they work for Marxists.
Now does it make sense why they do, what they do?
You have a very different position than my naive "model" based on deductive reasoning based on second hand information. I cannot confirm nor refute what you're saying regarding such a source of Marxist corruption behind the overall US political system. I've got this damned job that keeps nagging me ... need to make some income, pay some bills, and pay some taxes. Let me get back to you - wade in a little on your position. Stand by.
Quote from: topside on April 26, 2017, 10:08:26 AM
You have a very different position than my naive "model" based on deductive reasoning based on second hand information. I cannot confirm nor refute what you're saying regarding such a source of Marxist corruption behind the overall US political system. I've got this damned job that keeps nagging me ... need to make some income, pay some bills, and pay some taxes. Let me get back to you - wade in a little on your position. Stand by.
No doubt it's a lot to absorb, but once you demask the lot of scum, suddenly everything they do makes sense.
Here's a little checklist to start with.
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/library/communist-goals-(1963)/
Quote from: Solar on April 26, 2017, 03:00:11 PM
No doubt it's a lot to absorb, but once you demask the lot of scum, suddenly everything they do makes sense.
Here's a little checklist to start with.
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/library/communist-goals-(1963)/
I read it - and it underscores the evil that has been at work behind the scenes. I tried to find the original source - prefer as close to original as I can get when possible. I couldn't find it in the congressional records directly nor at http://abacus.bates.edu/muskie-archives/ajcr/1963/1963%20CR%20Index.shtml#1963CRIndex (http://abacus.bates.edu/muskie-archives/ajcr/1963/1963%20CR%20Index.shtml#1963CRIndex). I'm surprised that the actual record including such an important set of statements isn't available online? But, moving on - it's a strong plan to undermine our Republic and much of it has been accomplished. If I were POTUS, this would be on my wall and I might read it at every meeting to remind everyone what we're countering. I'd probably read it to Congress too. I'd probably read it to the nation too.
But, I diverge. The existence of such a plot doesn't prove the conspiracy of a central power behind the parties. I do believe that there is spiritual evil at work against the Christian culture. But I interpret your statements to be of more natural (not supernatural) conspiracy ... or maybe both together. But let's focus for a moment on the natural conspiracy.
Let me dissect your post a little and comment ... not in opposition but to try to understand and give you my thoughts.
QuoteI think all of this will make a lot more sense if you stop looking at the two party's will differing agendas.
What I see is that the Pubs and Dims have been in stalemate for a long time. When the Dims are in majority, the Pubs won't cooperate on anything. When the Pubs are in majority, the Dims won't cooperate on anything. The platforms are very different ... for example, stance on baby killing and gays are very opposite. The Dims seem to favor govt. control and do seem subversive about it ... e.g., most of the jobs they created were govt. jobs, building more dependency on govt. A natural Marxist step. The Pubs seem to be working as best they can to free the market by inciting jobs outside of govt. and also they are pushing back on the agencies. So, on the surface, these obviously seem as opposing forces - I would say left and right, and to an extent good and evil. But both parties are a mix of the continuum ... Dims more on the right, Pubs more on the left. That's what I observe in about every instance.
So how is it that you cannot look at this as two parties with differing agendas? The following is your support for that position:
QuoteThe RNC/GOP Establishment are leftists, they have the same money backers as does the Dim party, they get the same marching orders as do the Dims, the only difference is they are free to go about achieving these goals any way they like.
Their backers tell them they want money spent in certain areas, so they create diversions such as claiming to avoid a govt shutdown, think back to the last so called govt shut down, who did they blame?
How can I see the RNC / GOP as leftists? Sure, there are some that promote leftist ideas in the party, but it's a mix that seems more right than left.
Who are the common money backers for Pubs and Dims. This is new to me. If so, what are their goals? Are you saying that the communist list are the goals of the money backers? What was the term you used that meant those who don't give a shit about the nation but just want to get all they can? I can't recall the term. But I would think the money backers would be in that category. I could guess that if its so, then their goal is to gain more power to promote their wealth ... so they would behave as Marxists too.
The last govt. shutdown was for about 2 weeks in October of 2013 and the conservatives took the heat (a group of 32). They took a stand for good reason, the way I read it, but have no idea how it got resolved. I didn't know this ... looked it up at:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/32-republicans-who-caused-the-government-shutdown/280236/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/32-republicans-who-caused-the-government-shutdown/280236/)
... but I do recall the shutdown, just didn't bother to hear who the LSM said was to blame.
The common backers to both parties is such a big claim you're making. What evidence do you rely on?
Always wondered what aspects are just diversions. Drop a bomb on a cruel country, cause riots on campuses, bring up wire taps by the opposing party that you probably knew about for awhile, etc. I don't know that any of these are diversions, but any of them could be.
I like to take things at face value - I live with an honest word and a handshake. And if you screw me once, you won't get a second chance. But I'm pretty sure that's naive when it comes to politics. That's probably why I'm having difficulty accepting the notion you've identified in your post.
With the LSM being so rabid, diversion seems like it would be a common tactic. But the important thing you said was that the backers give marching orders to their minions in both parties. What areas do they want the money spent in? Again, I would think in areas that they profit from like getting people to be dependent on them so they can gain more wealth. But they could also want people to invest certain ways and manipulate that aspect. We need the covert backers to publish their top ten list (yes, I'm kidding). But I would like for this group to come up with the top ten list that they think the backers are pushing for now.
QuoteThat's Right, they blamed cruz, knowing full well the real culprit was the Marxist in the WH, so why throw one of your own under the bus over that of America's enemy?
Because the establishment got their orders from the very same money backers as the Dims.
You see, Conservatives are a bigger threat to both party's very existence, as well as those that give them money, because Conservatives want to kill off their gravy train.
I think you go a little too far here. One reason that Trump has thrown Cruz and the Conservatives under the bus could be as you say. But it's only one possible reason. But I do agree that Conservatives are a threat to both parties ... the idea that we're a Republic under Constitutional law seems to be barely mentioned and when it is, it's almost as if it's an embarrassment.
Treatment of Conservatives is going the way similar to those of us who have faith in God; when most hear of it they scoff - dismiss us as enemies of science. "Oh, so you are a Conservative and believe in the God of the Bible. That's nice, I believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa." Aside: When they do scoff, one of my favorite replies is that of all the sciences, mathematics is the most pure - and math is based on faith - is basically generated by nine set-theory axioms (See Chapter Zero if you're interested ... a short secular book that is strictly objective in the main content). So we all have faith in something, and some rather choose to believe that all we see came from nothing? I should be the one scoffing. Sorry ... got distracted for a second.
Back to the point. I don't think Trump a Marxist - there is nothing in his background that leads me to believe this. I do think he entered as the type that just wants what's in it for him. But now he's in a position where he can't just do what he wants - many, many to negotiate with. He's been a negotiator in very limited settings compared to this one. But he's not a Conservative by any means - a RINO by accident I'd say as he tries to figure out how to accomplish his agenda and keep his promises. I actually think he's pretty simple from that perspective. He'll turn chameleon to negotiate his agenda if he has to. And that includes pounding the Conservatives when they don't just vote for a plan sight unseen (Trump Care) just because they're team players. But if what you say is true about the backers, and even if Trump is a RINO trying to accomplish his election promises, he's still surrounded by RINOs and if the dark side is swaying them, they will use him as a puppet. He is definitely in over his head and need good, trustworthy people around him ... not evil swayed by the dark side. He is vulnerable to the dark side because of his self-centered and greedy tendencies that come natural due to the silver spoon that's been put in his mouth from birth, but I pray to God that the light will guide him, sway him for the purposes of good.
That's enough for now Solar. Thoughts?
Quote from: topside on April 26, 2017, 06:13:24 PM
I read it - and it underscores the evil that has been at work behind the scenes. I tried to find the original source - prefer as close to original as I can get when possible. I couldn't find it in the congressional records directly nor at http://abacus.bates.edu/muskie-archives/ajcr/1963/1963%20CR%20Index.shtml#1963CRIndex (http://abacus.bates.edu/muskie-archives/ajcr/1963/1963%20CR%20Index.shtml#1963CRIndex). I'm surprised that the actual record including such an important set of statements isn't available online? But, moving on - it's a strong plan to undermine our Republic and much of it has been accomplished. If I were POTUS, this would be on my wall and I might read it at every meeting to remind everyone what we're countering. I'd probably read it to Congress too. I'd probably read it to the nation too.
But, I diverge. The existence of such a plot doesn't prove the conspiracy of a central power behind the parties. I do believe that there is spiritual evil at work against the Christian culture. But I interpret your statements to be of more natural (not supernatural) conspiracy ... or maybe both together. But let's focus for a moment on the natural conspiracy.
Let me dissect your post a little and comment ... not in opposition but to try to understand and give you my thoughts.
What I see is that the Pubs and Dims have been in stalemate for a long time. When the Dims are in majority, the Pubs won't cooperate on anything. When the Pubs are in majority, the Dims won't cooperate on anything. The platforms are very different ... for example, stance on baby killing and gays are very opposite. The Dims seem to favor govt. control and do seem subversive about it ... e.g., most of the jobs they created were govt. jobs, building more dependency on govt. A natural Marxist step. The Pubs seem to be working as best they can to free the market by inciting jobs outside of govt. and also they are pushing back on the agencies. So, on the surface, these obviously seem as opposing forces - I would say left and right, and to an extent good and evil. But both parties are a mix of the continuum ... Dims more on the right, Pubs more on the left. That's what I observe in about every instance.
So how is it that you cannot look at this as two parties with differing agendas? The following is your support for that position:
How can I see the RNC / GOP as leftists? Sure, there are some that promote leftist ideas in the party, but it's a mix that seems more right than left.
Who are the common money backers for Pubs and Dims. This is new to me. If so, what are their goals? Are you saying that the communist list are the goals of the money backers? What was the term you used that meant those who don't give a shit about the nation but just want to get all they can? I can't recall the term. But I would think the money backers would be in that category. I could guess that if its so, then their goal is to gain more power to promote their wealth ... so they would behave as Marxists too.
The last govt. shutdown was for about 2 weeks in October of 2013 and the conservatives took the heat (a group of 32). They took a stand for good reason, the way I read it, but have no idea how it got resolved. I didn't know this ... looked it up at:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/32-republicans-who-caused-the-government-shutdown/280236/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/32-republicans-who-caused-the-government-shutdown/280236/)
... but I do recall the shutdown, just didn't bother to hear who the LSM said was to blame.
The common backers to both parties is such a big claim you're making. What evidence do you rely on?
Always wondered what aspects are just diversions. Drop a bomb on a cruel country, cause riots on campuses, bring up wire taps by the opposing party that you probably knew about for awhile, etc. I don't know that any of these are diversions, but any of them could be.
I like to take things at face value - I live with an honest word and a handshake. And if you screw me once, you won't get a second chance. But I'm pretty sure that's naive when it comes to politics. That's probably why I'm having difficulty accepting the notion you've identified in your post.
With the LSM being so rabid, diversion seems like it would be a common tactic. But the important thing you said was that the backers give marching orders to their minions in both parties. What areas do they want the money spent in? Again, I would think in areas that they profit from like getting people to be dependent on them so they can gain more wealth. But they could also want people to invest certain ways and manipulate that aspect. We need the covert backers to publish their top ten list (yes, I'm kidding). But I would like for this group to come up with the top ten list that they think the backers are pushing for now.
I think you go a little too far here. One reason that Trump has thrown Cruz and the Conservatives under the bus could be as you say. But it's only one possible reason. But I do agree that Conservatives are a threat to both parties ... the idea that we're a Republic under Constitutional law seems to be barely mentioned and when it is, it's almost as if it's an embarrassment.
Treatment of Conservatives is going the way similar to those of us who have faith in God; when most hear of it they scoff - dismiss us as enemies of science. "Oh, so you are a Conservative and believe in the God of the Bible. That's nice, I believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa." Aside: When they do scoff, one of my favorite replies is that of all the sciences, mathematics is the most pure - and math is based on faith - is basically generated by nine set-theory axioms (See Chapter Zero if you're interested ... a short secular book that is strictly objective in the main content). So we all have faith in something, and some rather choose to believe that all we see came from nothing? I should be the one scoffing. Sorry ... got distracted for a second.
Back to the point. I don't think Trump a Marxist - there is nothing in his background that leads me to believe this. I do think he entered as the type that just wants what's in it for him. But now he's in a position where he can't just do what he wants - many, many to negotiate with. He's been a negotiator in very limited settings compared to this one. But he's not a Conservative by any means - a RINO by accident I'd say as he tries to figure out how to accomplish his agenda and keep his promises. I actually think he's pretty simple from that perspective. He'll turn chameleon to negotiate his agenda if he has to. And that includes pounding the Conservatives when they don't just vote for a plan sight unseen (Trump Care) just because they're team players. But if what you say is true about the backers, and even if Trump is a RINO trying to accomplish his election promises, he's still surrounded by RINOs and if the dark side is swaying them, they will use him as a puppet. He is definitely in over his head and need good, trustworthy people around him ... not evil swayed by the dark side. He is vulnerable to the dark side because of his self-centered and greedy tendencies that come natural due to the silver spoon that's been put in his mouth from birth, but I pray to God that the light will guide him, sway him for the purposes of good.
That's enough for now Solar. Thoughts?
I will respond in time, but at the moment I'm suffering the ill effects of a new heart med at the moment and am unable to post but more than a few sentences at a time, so to be fair to your reply, I'll address it hopefully soon.
I'm OK, just sick as a dog.
Remind me if a few days passes and include a link.
Quote from: Solar on April 26, 2017, 06:49:01 PM
I will respond in time, but at the moment I'm suffering the ill effects of a new heart med at the moment and am unable to post but more than a few sentences at a time, so to be fair to your reply, I'll address it hopefully soon.
I'm OK, just sick as a dog.
Remind me if a few days passes and include a link.
Sorry to hear you're not feeling well. No need to reply at all unless you feel up to it. Take care.
Quote from: topside on April 26, 2017, 06:13:24 PM
I read it - and it underscores the evil that has been at work behind the scenes. I tried to find the original source - prefer as close to original as I can get when possible. I couldn't find it in the congressional records directly nor at http://abacus.bates.edu/muskie-archives/ajcr/1963/1963%20CR%20Index.shtml#1963CRIndex (http://abacus.bates.edu/muskie-archives/ajcr/1963/1963%20CR%20Index.shtml#1963CRIndex). I'm surprised that the actual record including such an important set of statements isn't available online? But, moving on - it's a strong plan to undermine our Republic and much of it has been accomplished. If I were POTUS, this would be on my wall and I might read it at every meeting to remind everyone what we're countering. I'd probably read it to Congress too. I'd probably read it to the nation too.
OK, feeling a bit better today. Problem was severe dizzy spells, to the point of losing my entire breakfast and bedridden the rest of the day.
It was taken from: "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen
Here is a youtube link to the book. Jump past the first 90 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtoIfLgzpx4&list=PL2932570ABE8A872C
Or you can buy a signed copy here.
https://www.abebooks.com/book-search/title/the-naked-communist/author/skousen/signed/
QuoteBut, I diverge. The existence of such a plot doesn't prove the conspiracy of a central power behind the parties. I do believe that there is spiritual evil at work against the Christian culture. But I interpret your statements to be of more natural (not supernatural) conspiracy ... or maybe both together. But let's focus for a moment on the natural conspiracy.
No conspiracy, the Commies have been trying to take down American culture for decades, especially since WWII.
Capitalism is a threat to one govt control, and sure, communist countries allow for some capitalism, but they refuse to recognize it as such, and retain the right to yank it without notice.
Look up UN Agenda 21, then tell me we're not in danger.
QuoteLet me dissect your post a little and comment ... not in opposition but to try to understand and give you my thoughts.
What I see is that the Pubs and Dims have been in stalemate for a long time. When the Dims are in majority, the Pubs won't cooperate on anything. When the Pubs are in majority, the Dims won't cooperate on anything.
Yet the GOP gave the Marxist everything he asked for, all the while claiming they had no way of stopping the left, despite having both Houses.
QuoteThe platforms are very different ... for example, stance on baby killing and gays are very opposite. The Dims seem to favor govt. control and do seem subversive about it ... e.g., most of the jobs they created were govt. jobs, building more dependency on govt. A natural Marxist step. The Pubs seem to be working as best they can to free the market by inciting jobs outside of govt. and also they are pushing back on the agencies. So, on the surface, these obviously seem as opposing forces - I would say left and right, and to an extent good and evil. But both parties are a mix of the continuum ... Dims more on the right, Pubs more on the left. That's what I observe in about every instance.
Don't kid yourself, the GOP never once tried to stop the damage the left has incurred on the black community, merely slow it down because there is no moral compass within the GOP.
One lives a facade of loving the country, while the other outright loathes what it means to be American. But ask yourself, do you really see any evidence where the GOP has actually stopped the left, or just simply "Made a deal" and gave more ground?
QuoteSo how is it that you cannot look at this as two parties with differing agendas? The following is your support for that position:
How can I see the RNC / GOP as leftists? Sure, there are some that promote leftist ideas in the party, but it's a mix that seems more right than left.
If not for the Freedom caucus and its allies, the GOP would have moved us into the realm of socialism decades ago.
QuoteWho are the common money backers for Pubs and Dims. This is new to me. If so, what are their goals? Are you saying that the communist list are the goals of the money backers? What was the term you used that meant those who don't give a shit about the nation but just want to get all they can? I can't recall the term. But I would think the money backers would be in that category. I could guess that if its so, then their goal is to gain more power to promote their wealth ... so they would behave as Marxists too.
This is where Clinton made ll kinds of deals through Crony Capitalism back when he first ran for office, view old clips of the DNC anointing him, you'll see where he embraced corporate sponsors for the first time in DNC history.
This was a real threat to the GOP so they had to double down to keep the corporate money flowing into their coffers.
Keep in mind, the GOP has always been for business, not the American citizen, and that's fine, that was their constituency, they merely paid lip service to the American people.
It was Hussein that forced the GOP's hand in exposing who they really supported and TEA was born. McCain called us "Whacko Birds" "The Enemy", imagine that, people that want to adhere to the laws of the land and here we have our own party calling us the enemy, as did Boehner and "No Neck".
QuoteThe last govt. shutdown was for about 2 weeks in October of 2013 and the conservatives took the heat (a group of 32). They took a stand for good reason, the way I read it, but have no idea how it got resolved. I didn't know this ... looked it up at:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/32-republicans-who-caused-the-government-shutdown/280236/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/32-republicans-who-caused-the-government-shutdown/280236/)
... but I do recall the shutdown, just didn't bother to hear who the LSM said was to blame.
The common backers to both parties is such a big claim you're making. What evidence do you rely on?
Obozo blamed the GOP, the GOP blamed Cruz, when in fact, the POTUS is the only one that can shut down the govt.
But you ask why would the GOP turn on Cruz when they could have used this against the Marxist?
Because, as I pointed out, TEA Conservatives are the enemy of the Establishment, an enemy of both party's, where both party's wanted a (CR) Continuing Resolution, meaning no budget to constrain overspending by both party's.
You see, the GOP claimed they wanted to kill Commiecare, this was their chance, but no, there was soooo many things their money backers wanted tax payer money spent on, that's right, screw the taxpayer and future Americans, the GOP's money backers don't give a shit about the country, they would prefer socialism because it guarantees them a seat at the table,.
If you do a search of open secrets .com you'll see where these leftist donors share a common ally in both party's. The list includes all of Wall St, BofA insurance Co's, Pharmaceuticals etc, which is why now the GOP is fighting for a new commiecare, same old plan, just a new label.
QuoteAlways wondered what aspects are just diversions. Drop a bomb on a cruel country, cause riots on campuses, bring up wire taps by the opposing party that you probably knew about for awhile, etc. I don't know that any of these are diversions, but any of them could be.
I like to take things at face value - I live with an honest word and a handshake. And if you screw me once, you won't get a second chance. But I'm pretty sure that's naive when it comes to politics. That's probably why I'm having difficulty accepting the notion you've identified in your post.
I retired over a decade ago, and my last business was all done on handshake contracts.
QuoteWith the LSM being so rabid, diversion seems like it would be a common tactic. But the important thing you said was that the backers give marching orders to their minions in both parties. What areas do they want the money spent in? Again, I would think in areas that they profit from like getting people to be dependent on them so they can gain more wealth. But they could also want people to invest certain ways and manipulate that aspect. We need the covert backers to publish their top ten list (yes, I'm kidding). But I would like for this group to come up with the top ten list that they think the backers are pushing for now.
Don't take me literal when I say the share money backers, that does not mean a 50/50 split, no, Soros does not fully support the GOP, only a few when it's in his best interest, nor do the Koch brothers fund the entire DNC, only a few when i suits their purpose, but Wall St knows no real ideology outside of money, and if a military strike suits them, the put pressure on both party's, which is why Hussien got away with murdering the leader of Libya, an Impeachable offense.
QuoteI think you go a little too far here. One reason that Trump has thrown Cruz and the Conservatives under the bus could be as you say. But it's only one possible reason. But I do agree that Conservatives are a threat to both parties ... the idea that we're a Republic under Constitutional law seems to be barely mentioned and when it is, it's almost as if it's an embarrassment.
In one line you claim I go too far, then the next sentence you agree.
So back it up, show me how I'm wrong. I only do this to challenge you into finding out the truth for yourself.
QuoteTreatment of Conservatives is going the way similar to those of us who have faith in God; when most hear of it they scoff - dismiss us as enemies of science. "Oh, so you are a Conservative and believe in the God of the Bible. That's nice, I believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa." Aside: When they do scoff, one of my favorite replies is that of all the sciences, mathematics is the most pure - and math is based on faith - is basically generated by nine set-theory axioms (See Chapter Zero if you're interested ... a short secular book that is strictly objective in the main content). So we all have faith in something, and some rather choose to believe that all we see came from nothing? I should be the one scoffing. Sorry ... got distracted for a second.
Conservatism and values are intertwined, one does not exist without the other, so to destroy Conservatism, you must destroy morality.
QuoteBack to the point. I don't think Trump a Marxist - there is nothing in his background that leads me to believe this.
Well, that's good, I never said he was either.
QuoteI do think he entered as the type that just wants what's in it for him. But now he's in a position where he can't just do what he wants - many, many to negotiate with. He's been a negotiator in very limited settings compared to this one. But he's not a Conservative by any means - a RINO by accident I'd say as he tries to figure out how to accomplish his agenda and keep his promises. I actually think he's pretty simple from that perspective. He'll turn chameleon to negotiate his agenda if he has to. And that includes pounding the Conservatives when they don't just vote for a plan sight unseen (Trump Care) just because they're team players. But if what you say is true about the backers, and even if Trump is a RINO trying to accomplish his election promises, he's still surrounded by RINOs and if the dark side is swaying them, they will use him as a puppet. He is definitely in over his head and need good, trustworthy people around him ... not evil swayed by the dark side. He is vulnerable to the dark side because of his self-centered and greedy tendencies that come natural due to the silver spoon that's been put in his mouth from birth, but I pray to God that the light will guide him, sway him for the purposes of good.
Therein lies the issue, Conservatives demand POTUS and Congress follow the law, something leftists hate, and no, I'm not calling Trump a Marxist, merely a 70s style lib, which is what the GOP ios full of today.
TRUMP: 'I'm a nationalist and a globalist. I'm both'https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-says-nafta-partners-persuaded-him-to-keep-u-s-in-trade-pact-1493320127
Quote from: Solar on April 28, 2017, 11:22:12 AM
OK, feeling a bit better today. Problem was severe dizzy spells, to the point of losing my entire breakfast and bedridden the rest of the day.
It was taken from: "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen
Here is a youtube link to the book. Jump past the first 90 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtoIfLgzpx4&list=PL2932570ABE8A872C
Or you can buy a signed copy here.
https://www.abebooks.com/book-search/title/the-naked-communist/author/skousen/signed/
No conspiracy, the Commies have been trying to take down American culture for decades, especially since WWII.
Capitalism is a threat to one govt control, and sure, communist countries allow for some capitalism, but they refuse to recognize it as such, and retain the right to yank it without notice.
Look up UN Agenda 21, then tell me we're not in danger.
Yet the GOP gave the Marxist everything he asked for, all the while claiming they had no way of stopping the left, despite having both Houses.
Don't kid yourself, the GOP never once tried to stop the damage the left has incurred on the black community, merely slow it down because there is no moral compass within the GOP.
One lives a facade of loving the country, while the other outright loathes what it means to be American. But ask yourself, do you really see any evidence where the GOP has actually stopped the left, or just simply "Made a deal" and gave more ground?
If not for the Freedom caucus and its allies, the GOP would have moved us into the realm of socialism decades ago.
This is where Clinton made ll kinds of deals through Crony Capitalism back when he first ran for office, view old clips of the DNC anointing him, you'll see where he embraced corporate sponsors for the first time in DNC history.
This was a real threat to the GOP so they had to double down to keep the corporate money flowing into their coffers.
Keep in mind, the GOP has always been for business, not the American citizen, and that's fine, that was their constituency, they merely paid lip service to the American people.
It was Hussein that forced the GOP's hand in exposing who they really supported and TEA was born. McCain called us "Whacko Birds" "The Enemy", imagine that, people that want to adhere to the laws of the land and here we have our own party calling us the enemy, as did Boehner and "No Neck".
Obozo blamed the GOP, the GOP blamed Cruz, when in fact, the POTUS is the only one that can shut down the govt.
But you ask why would the GOP turn on Cruz when they could have used this against the Marxist?
Because, as I pointed out, TEA Conservatives are the enemy of the Establishment, an enemy of both party's, where both party's wanted a (CR) Continuing Resolution, meaning no budget to constrain overspending by both party's.
You see, the GOP claimed they wanted to kill Commiecare, this was their chance, but no, there was soooo many things their money backers wanted tax payer money spent on, that's right, screw the taxpayer and future Americans, the GOP's money backers don't give a shit about the country, they would prefer socialism because it guarantees them a seat at the table,.
If you do a search of open secrets .com you'll see where these leftist donors share a common ally in both party's. The list includes all of Wall St, BofA insurance Co's, Pharmaceuticals etc, which is why now the GOP is fighting for a new commiecare, same old plan, just a new label.
I retired over a decade ago, and my last business was all done on handshake contracts.
Don't take me literal when I say the share money backers, that does not mean a 50/50 split, no, Soros does not fully support the GOP, only a few when it's in his best interest, nor do the Koch brothers fund the entire DNC, only a few when i suits their purpose, but Wall St knows no real ideology outside of money, and if a military strike suits them, the put pressure on both party's, which is why Hussien got away with murdering the leader of Libya, an Impeachable offense.
In one line you claim I go too far, then the next sentence you agree.
So back it up, show me how I'm wrong. I only do this to challenge you into finding out the truth for yourself.
Conservatism and values are intertwined, one does not exist without the other, so to destroy Conservatism, you must destroy morality.
Well, that's good, I never said he was either.
Therein lies the issue, Conservatives demand POTUS and Congress follow the law, something leftists hate, and no, I'm not calling Trump a Marxist, merely a 70s style lib, which is what the GOP ios full of today.
TRUMP: 'I'm a nationalist and a globalist. I'm both'
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-says-nafta-partners-persuaded-him-to-keep-u-s-in-trade-pact-1493320127
Good summary of why GOPe hates the TEA movement. It took a full Marxist like Obama to expose GOPe for what it actually is. Consequently TEA exposed GOPe for its charade since Reagan. They would have happily gone along paying lip service to conservative values and pocketing money from the big donors. TEA called them on it and we now at least we have the "Freedom Caucus".
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 28, 2017, 12:05:35 PM
Good summary of why GOPe hates the TEA movement. It took a full Marxist like Obama to expose GOPe for what it actually is. Consequently TEA exposed GOPe for its charade since Reagan. They would have happily gone along paying lip service to conservative values and pocketing money from the big donors. TEA called them on it and we now at least we have the "Freedom Caucus".
Thanks, and yes, that's it in a nutshell.
If you have any suggested reading for Topside so he understands the situation better, feel free to post links.
Solar ... glad you're feeling better.
I don't quite understand how to get my arms around this yet but you've supplied a perspective to work with.
Thanks to you and Supsal for the input.
You brought up one specific area of dispute ... but after reading I see it was a misunderstanding on my part:
QuoteThat's Right, they blamed cruz, knowing full well the real culprit was the Marxist in the WH, so why throw one of your own under the bus over that of America's enemy?
Because the establishment got their orders from the very same money backers as the Dims.
I interpreted this to mean you were classifying Trump as a Marxist ... but I can see that you clearly meant BO. Your points of how the Pubs gave The Marxist his way, even with a majority in congress, how the current POTUS has thrown the Freedom Caucus, and specifically Ted Cruz, under the buss, does identify that there is something foul going on. It could be: (1) common money backers from the Dims. (2) maybe POTUS is very focused on his agenda and expects the Pubs to get behind him no matter what ... he was surprised, (3) could even be that Trump is really a Dim in disguise and working to move things to the left and take down the Pubs ... starting with the Conservatives. There could be ten other reasons. I think (2) is the most likely for Trump's actions - it is consistent with his historical character of getting what he wants.
I don't believe that pure communism is at work - communist idealists. Some exist, but I don't think they are the primary impetus behind the dark side we are experiencing. However, I claim that an oligarchy (rule by a few ... the Crony Capaitalists) can pretty much look like communism ... get the people dependent and then you can sustain control. I'm thinking that the actions from the crony capitalists to seize control are very similar to the communists who are idealists that want to distribute wealth and build dependency of the people on those who distribute for the purpose of control.
But based on how much of the 1963 list has surprisingly / unfortunately been accomplished, the oligarchy of crony capitalists taking control looks enough like communism that there is no substantial difference in outcome. I have a hard time believing that there is a pure ideal communist enemy at work behind the scenes in our country and behind both parties but the evidence of how far the referenced naked communist list has come in being accomplished says that there is evil that pursues the same controls as the communists and I'm suggesting it's likely the crony capitalists. BO was clearly a Marxist and sole his ideas under the rhetoric of hope and change ... but he was overt ... not behind the scenes.
I'm not sure how I prove this distinction between continued communist attack and/or crony capitalist attack on the Republic. I would claim that the Communists lost in the late 60's but the recent behavior of the crony capitalists have renewed the initiative of the communists ... even though they both have different reasons for wanting control of the people, i.e., ideals for the communists vs. wealth for the crony capitalists ... both accomplish their ends by control of the people. From the perspective of outcome, I don't think it matters too much. But from the perspective of defending the Republic, it's an important distinction. Important because we have two groups to fight against instead of one ... and the approach to staving off each is somewhat different. The Communists are defeated by showing that the Republic system is a better ideal - that's been done. But the crony capitalists are fought by exposing them and keeping their levers (funds) from influencing US leadership. That front is wide open and it enables the communists to act - it no longer matters if communism was better or not if the crony capitalists disguise their initiatives that align mostly with communism and get the people to buy into it.
Moreover, I personally believe that the spiritual war is rampant. That there are also supernatural forces that entice many in our nation to give up all faith and freedom for perceived safety and care by the government. They walk blindly into the snare and don't realize it until they're entangled with no hope for escape. I thought sure it was game over when BO was elected for his second term ... and that HilLIARy was certain to follow and continue the death march. That's why I believe election night was a supernatural miracle and am hopeful that there will be a state change that persists. Although, I will always believe that a nation that mocks even the existence of God, does so many things to destroy the family, and kills the unborn will never turn the corner. Until that changes, I have no hope that this nation will heal as a true and faithful Republic.
So that's my position at this point - the concept fits the observations but the hypothesis has little support in proof of it. I plan to try and develop support over time or shift the position as I uncover conflicts. So much history to consider that have led up to current events and conditions.
Quote from: topside on April 28, 2017, 08:06:22 PM
Solar ... glad you're feeling better.
I don't quite understand how to get my arms around this yet but you've supplied a perspective to work with.
Thanks to you and Supsal for the input.
You brought up one specific area of dispute ... but after reading I see it was a misunderstanding on my part:
I interpreted this to mean you were classifying Trump as a Marxist
It was 2013, Trump was nowhere to be seen when the GOP hung Ted out to dry.
Quote... but I can see that you clearly meant BO. Your points of how the Pubs gave The Marxist his way, even with a majority in congress, how the current POTUS has thrown the Freedom Caucus, and specifically Ted Cruz, under the buss, does identify that there is something foul going on. It could be: (1) common money backers from the Dims. (2) maybe POTUS is very focused on his agenda and expects the Pubs to get behind him no matter what ... he was surprised, (3) could even be that Trump is really a Dim in disguise and working to move things to the left and take down the Pubs ... starting with the Conservatives. There could be ten other reasons. I think (2) is the most likely for Trump's actions - it is consistent with his historical character of getting what he wants.
Like I posted with a link: TRUMP: 'I'm a nationalist and a globalist. I'm both'
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-says-nafta-partners-persuaded-him-to-keep-u-s-in-trade-pact-1493320127
He's an old Blue Dog Dim from yesteryear, the very people that jumped ship under Newt and joined the GOP, leaving only Marxists in the Dim party.
Trump admits he's always supported Dims, but that doesn't make him evil, but it does prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's not Conservative.
I do believe Trump loves the country and recognizes the damage the left has done and plans on undoing much of it, unfortunately getting rid of crony connections is not in the cards, because he believes that's how govt has always functioned and has no issue with it and he would be right, money has always been a part of DC, good or bad, he knows he can't change any of that so he works with it.
With that in mind, the Establishment has the money, the Freedom Caucus is not about the money so they don't wield power beyond a voice in numbers.
Yes, it's a sad reality, money talks and the richest voices ar heard and these voices don't have any particular love for out country.
QuoteI don't believe that pure communism is at work - communist idealists. Some exist, but I don't think they are the primary impetus behind the dark side we are experiencing. However, I claim that an oligarchy (rule by a few ... the Crony Capitalists) can pretty much look like communism ... get the people dependent and then you can sustain control. I'm thinking that the actions from the crony capitalists to seize control are very similar to the communists who are idealists that want to distribute wealth and build dependency of the people on those who distribute for the purpose of control.
I see part of your disconnect. You see all or nothing where communism is concerned, like NK or Cuba/Venezuelan communism is concerned, no, there are varying degrees of Marxism, as in end goals.
As I showed you with Fabin socialists are pure Marxist and their goals are one in the same in outcome, just different in their approach.
Some just want to cripple the US, while others want to bring us to our knees, some just want a socialist Utopia, where govt Nationalizes certain areas of production. But the real communist doesn't stop there.
Problem is, the true Marxist only see these as milestones in the end, with pure communism at the end of the trail.
It's like everything the left does in claiming they only want to make things better, when in fact, everything they do has negative consequences, leaving the next level of leftist to make things worse.
Look at the black family, completely destroyed, another Dim accomplishment. Did some think they were actually helping by putting mothers on welfare? Sure they did, but LBJ knew better, he was making a permanent underclass of voters.
We can see this example throughout the Dim party, every one of their constituent groups is classified as a separate victim class and all in need of "Special Rights".
You either see this in the big picture for what it is, or you don't, the end of American culture based of Judeo Christian views.
QuoteBut based on how much of the 1963 list has surprisingly / unfortunately been accomplished, the oligarchy of crony capitalists taking control looks enough like communism that there is no substantial difference in outcome. I have a hard time believing that there is a pure ideal communist enemy at work behind the scenes in our country and behind both parties but the evidence of how far the referenced naked communist list has come in being accomplished says that there is evil that pursues the same controls as the communists and I'm suggesting it's likely the crony capitalists. BO was clearly a Marxist and sou his ideas under the rhetoric of hope and change ... but he was overt ... not behind the scenes.
There you have it, unfortunately, you don't have enough historical reference to see just how much has changed in just the last 50 years.
It's not all been political, some were accomplished by taking over business, including media/news and the way they influence American culture.
Take Hollywood for example. If you were to base our culture on Pop TV, you'd swear that half the people in the country are gay or Bi and have casual sex every chance they get.
Do you believe that image to be true? Of course not, but that's how the left numbs the public to their agenda.
News is another area where the left dominates the message. But you say wait, FOX is number 1. FOX is an Establishment arm, one that is ending its connection with the leftist arm of the GOP, so the Establishment has lost its media influence and this isn't a bad thing in the least.
Next on the left's agenda are children, yes, decriminalizing pedophilia. Do you think all libs want this? Of course not, but they aren't the ones in control of setting the agenda, the Marxists are.
After that, what do you suppose they'll attack culturally? They've already divided the nation into classes of victims, and now they're attempting to turn those classes against the one last obstacle in their plan, white males, including Christians.
Do you see it? And no, it's not your run of the mill lib that wants this, so no, it's not every lib pushing this agenda, but they stupidly and blindly vote the people into office that want to achieve this end goal.
But take Hussein, who do you suppose put him in office and how did they get an entire party to back him, even after vetting him and discovering he is a true communist?
Because that's who runs the DNC and they told their members, either back Hussein, or lose your seat! They complied.
QuoteI'm not sure how I prove this distinction between continued communist attack and/or crony capitalist attack on the Republic. I would claim that the Communists lost in the late 60's but the recent behavior of the crony capitalists have renewed the initiative of the commus ... even though they both have different reasons for wanting control of the people, i.e., ideals for the communists vs. wealth for the crony capitalists ... both accomplish their ends by control of the people. From the perspective of outcome, I don't think it matters too much. But from the perspective of defending the Republic, it's an important distinction. Important because we have two groups to fight against instead of one ... and the approach to staving off each is somewhat different. The Communists are defeated by showing that the Republic system is a better ideal - that's been done. But the crony capitalists are fought by exposing them and keeping their levers (funds) from influencing US leadership. That front is wide open and it enables the communists to act - it no longer matters if communism was better or not if the crony capitalists disguise their initiatives that align mostly with communism and get the people to buy into it.
Communism never died in the 60s. Where did you ever get that idea? I watched Marxist's takeover small gatherings of hippies in San Fran in the 60s and convert/destroy their family upbringing with drugs and so called "Free Love", Clintons are some of their end product, so no, it did not die in the 60s, it was, in fact, reborn under a new image of "Trust no one over 30". Remember that, the so called "Generation gap"? That was one of communisms first wins, dividing America's children from their familial roots.
Crony capitalists are in it for the money, they care nothing about the country or its future, but Marxists have found inroads into Wall St via the Dim party and are influencing every aspect of power through the greed of others, some in the GOP, many in the Dim party.
Think Ethanol, a proven fraud on the American public, yet we, the taxpayer subsidize big Ag, which pads the reelection coffers of their enablers such as McCain who openly supports this "Green commie" lie. Both party's share this goal, so both party's see that it lives.
QuoteMoreover, I personally believe that the spiritual war is rampant. That there are also supernatural forces that entice many in our nation to give up all faith and freedom for perceived safety and care by the government. They walk blindly into the snare and don't realize it until they're entangled with no hope for escape.
There's nothing supernatural about it, that's communism's dirty hands destroying Liberty.
QuoteI thought sure it was game over when BO was elected for his second term ... and that HilLIARy was certain to follow and continue the death march. That's why I believe election night was a supernatural miracle and am hopeful that there will be a state change that persists. Although, I will always believe that a nation that mocks even the existence of God, does so many things to destroy the family, and kills the unborn will never turn the corner. Until that changes, I have no hope that this nation will heal as a true and faithful Republic.
So that's my position at this point - the concept fits the observations but the hypothesis has little support in proof of it. I plan to try and develop support over time or shift the position as I uncover conflicts. So much history to consider that have led up to current events and conditions.
No, it's not over by a longshot, but the Dim party is, which is why the Marxists seized the GOP via the Establishment.
The Establishment wasn't always out for money, no, just power.
Roger Ailes is one of the originals in the GOP'e movement when he put Nixon in office, another lib in disguise, a greedy crony if there ever was one, yes, both he and Nixon cut from the same cloth. Ailes made FOX news, and now Murdoch, owner and huge lib just kicked him to the curb, and his sons are purging the rest, Oreily went, now Handytitty, the Five, soon there won't be any Establishment hacks left to influence the electorate. Believe me, this is good news for Conservatism....
The Marxists saw an opening in the GOP with the rise of the Establishment because the Establishment lacked the values and morals of their constituency, it was easy to influence them through corruption/blackmail.
This is how the left gained control over the RNC and why there is a battle for the very heart and soul of America.
TEA!
I remember the last shut down. The democrats said millions would lose their jobs and planes would fall out of the sky.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on April 29, 2017, 06:17:15 PM
I remember the last shut down. The democrats said millions would lose their jobs and planes would fall out of the sky.
And SS would stop and the military would not get paid.
We should shut down government for 4 month as see what we don't need to keep things going. With no back pay for government workers. :lol:
Quote from: walkstall on April 29, 2017, 06:27:47 PM
And SS would stop and the military would not get paid.
We should shut down government for 4 month as see what we don't need to keep things going. With no back pay for government workers. :lol:
No back pay for workers is the key. The democrats do not want to lose one of its last voter bases.