AG Sessions: If government shuts down, it’s Dems’ fault

Started by Ms.Independence, April 24, 2017, 02:24:41 PM

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AG Sessions: If government shuts down, it's Dems' fault

Attorney General Jeff Sessions indicated Monday that funding for a wall on the U.S. – Mexico border remains a top priority for the Trump administration and that Mexico will pay for it in some form. Speaking on "Fox & Friends," the attorney general flatly said that Congress has the ability and mandate from the American people to build the wall.

"What we need to do is remind Congress and the American people that this president promised this, they voted for it in large numbers," Sessions said. "It was one of the great strengths of his campaign."...

........Sessions touted the fact that in President Trump's first month, illegal immigration from Mexico has fallen 40 percent from where it was under President Obama........

.......Yet Democrats are unwilling even to engage in a discussion on border-wall funding. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., has threatened a government shutdown over the issue, which he calls a "poison pill" in the upcoming omnibus.

"If they put these poison pill amendments in and try to shove them down the American people's throat," Schumer said in March, "of course they might be responsible for shutting the government down."

Jeff Sessions squarely placed the blame for a potential shutdown on the Democrats.

"If the Democrats filibuster that, and block it, they're the ones shutting the whole government down just to keep the wall from being built. No doubt about it."

https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/ag-sessions-if-government-shuts-down-its-dems-fault
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My understanding is that the Dims can deliberate on the budget but there is a time limit ... fiscal boundary in September. Then the Pubs can get pretty much whatever they want. So I'm not sure why the Pubs won't just push in a CR and then let the Dims run the debate until September, then put in whatever budget they want. Although, I don't understand what it takes to put a CR in ... can a majority vote do it? BO seemed to get away with it every year somehow - spent well beyond the nations means.

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Quote from: topside on April 24, 2017, 05:29:45 PM
My understanding is that the Dims can deliberate on the budget but there is a time limit ... fiscal boundary in September. Then the Pubs can get pretty much whatever they want. So I'm not sure why the Pubs won't just push in a CR and then let the Dims run the debate until September, then put in whatever budget they want. Although, I don't understand what it takes to put a CR in ... can a majority vote do it? BO seemed to get away with it every year somehow - spent well beyond the nations means.

Good point. The CR is only for five months and then we go into the actual budget process. To pass budgetary items only takes 51 votes in the senate. Do not forget Trump is a negotiator. The "wall" is his big chip. If he plays it now he gets it back in September.
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Quote from: supsalemgr on April 25, 2017, 04:42:42 AM
Good point. The CR is only for five months and then we go into the actual budget process. To pass budgetary items only takes 51 votes in the senate. Do not forget Trump is a negotiator. The "wall" is his big chip. If he plays it now he gets it back in September.

Exactly. It's my understanding that he needs to keep his budget on the table and then listen to the Dims whine about it until September ... when he can pass it with 51 votes in the senate. A CR keeps the government funded until then. But I don't know what it takes to get a CR approved ... do you?

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Quote from: topside on April 25, 2017, 12:31:25 PM
Exactly. It's my understanding that he needs to keep his budget on the table and then listen to the Dims whine about it until September ... when he can pass it with 51 votes in the senate. A CR keeps the government funded until then. But I don't know what it takes to get a CR approved ... do you?

Simple majority in the House and the 60 vote threshold in the Senate to stop a filibuster. I think the democrats are playing with fire on this. If all the republicans vote for the CR it there is no way the democrats can blame the GOP. The snakes in the woodpile are Murkowski, Collins, McCain and Graham.
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Quote from: supsalemgr on April 25, 2017, 12:47:33 PM
Simple majority in the House and the 60 vote threshold in the Senate to stop a filibuster. I think the democrats are playing with fire on this. If all the republicans vote for the CR it there is no way the democrats can blame the GOP. The snakes in the woodpile are Murkowski, Collins, McCain and Graham.

So if the Pubs hold the line on the budget and a CR is proposed then either the Dims let the CR pass to keep the govt. working OR they oppose the CR and let the govt. shut down.

Solar

Quote from: topside on April 25, 2017, 04:55:29 PM
So if the Pubs hold the line on the budget and a CR is proposed then either the Dims let the CR pass to keep the govt. working OR they oppose the CR and let the govt. shut down.
I believe it's all theater, the Dims can't do a damn thing, but the Pubs use it as an excuse to pass another CR, meaning the sky is the limit and a mean old budget, tying their hands will just have to wait.
Both sides claim victory and both sides wanted a CR anyway.
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Quote from: Ms.Independence on April 24, 2017, 02:24:41 PM
AG Sessions: If government shuts down, it's Dems' fault

Attorney General Jeff Sessions indicated Monday that funding for a wall on the U.S. – Mexico border remains a top priority for the Trump administration and that Mexico will pay for it in some form. Speaking on "Fox & Friends," the attorney general flatly said that Congress has the ability and mandate from the American people to build the wall.

"What we need to do is remind Congress and the American people that this president promised this, they voted for it in large numbers," Sessions said. "It was one of the great strengths of his campaign."...

........Sessions touted the fact that in President Trump's first month, illegal immigration from Mexico has fallen 40 percent from where it was under President Obama........

.......Yet Democrats are unwilling even to engage in a discussion on border-wall funding. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., has threatened a government shutdown over the issue, which he calls a "poison pill" in the upcoming omnibus.

"If they put these poison pill amendments in and try to shove them down the American people's throat," Schumer said in March, "of course they might be responsible for shutting the government down."

Jeff Sessions squarely placed the blame for a potential shutdown on the Democrats.

"If the Democrats filibuster that, and block it, they're the ones shutting the whole government down just to keep the wall from being built. No doubt about it."

https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/ag-sessions-if-government-shuts-down-its-dems-fault

Sessions might say it would be the dems fault but the gutless wonder reps sure act like it will be their  fault.

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The Pubs will take the blame ... the media will see to that.

The actions of the Pubs are practically indefensible at this point given the power and control of the LSM. We have to hope that people will see through the bias. All will probably go with the economy and jobs - although the reduction in handouts (if we man-up and do the cuts) will take a toll.

I think the majority in this administration knows what the right thing to do is ... defend our nation, maintain our infrastructure, move America to produce items of value again, improve the quality of jobs, overturn the govt. growth that happened under BO, and turn the tide toward fiscal responsibility. They were elected to run the Republic - not to pander to popular opinion.

I wish the majority administration would stop sweating to future voting potentials and just do what they promised. I still haven't given up ... expected a fight on the changes. But let the future votes fall where they will. If the voters decide they want more of what they had under BO then it all turns dark again anyway.

It's also important that this administration take every opportunity of the current Dim left extremism ... move the Dims to the right any that they can ... help them implode and reform. Any Dims that work with the majority should be celebrated to a degree to attempt getting a movement in the "right" direction. But the Pubs shouldn't compromise in the main areas - just entice and celebrate any Dims that work constructively. I'm sure some of the moderates want to make a difference and get beyond their lame duck (flock) position they are in now. Even if it's only a few, it may achieve the tipping point. Ok ... I can dream can't I.

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Quote from: topside on April 26, 2017, 07:02:07 AM
The Pubs will take the blame ... the media will see to that.

The actions of the Pubs are practically indefensible at this point given the power and control of the LSM. We have to hope that people will see through the bias. All will probably go with the economy and jobs - although the reduction in handouts (if we man-up and do the cuts) will take a toll.

I think the majority in this administration knows what the right thing to do is ... defend our nation, maintain our infrastructure, move America to produce items of value again, improve the quality of jobs, overturn the govt. growth that happened under BO, and turn the tide toward fiscal responsibility. They were elected to run the Republic - not to pander to popular opinion.

I wish the majority administration would stop sweating to future voting potentials and just do what they promised. I still haven't given up ... expected a fight on the changes. But let the future votes fall where they will. If the voters decide they want more of what they had under BO then it all turns dark again anyway.

It's also important that this administration take every opportunity of the current Dim left extremism ... move the Dims to the right any that they can ... help them implode and reform. Any Dims that work with the majority should be celebrated to a degree to attempt getting a movement in the "right" direction. But the Pubs shouldn't compromise in the main areas - just entice and celebrate any Dims that work constructively. I'm sure some of the moderates want to make a difference and get beyond their lame duck (flock) position they are in now. Even if it's only a few, it may achieve the tipping point. Ok ... I can dream can't I.
I think all of this will make a lot more sense if you stop looking at the two party's will differing agendas.
The RNC/GOP Establishment are leftists, they have the same money backers as does the Dim party, they get the same marching orders as do the Dims, the only difference is they are free to go about achieving these goals any way they like.
Their backers tell them they want money spent in certain areas, so they create diversions such as claiming to avoid a govt shutdown, think back to the last so called govt shut down, who did they blame?

That's Right, they blamed cruz, knowing full well the real culprit was the Marxist in the WH, so why throw one of your own under the bus over that of America's enemy?
Because the establishment got their orders from the very same money backers as the Dims.
You see, Conservatives are a bigger threat to both party's very existence, as well as those that give them money, because Conservatives want to kill off their gravy train.

McCon, Ryan, McCain, they aren't there for the people or the nation, they're there as employees of an even more diabolical evil, they work for Marxists.
Now does it make sense why they do, what they do?
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Quote from: Solar on April 26, 2017, 09:01:37 AM
I think all of this will make a lot more sense if you stop looking at the two party's will differing agendas.
The RNC/GOP Establishment are leftists, they have the same money backers as does the Dim party, they get the same marching orders as do the Dims, the only difference is they are free to go about achieving these goals any way they like.
Their backers tell them they want money spent in certain areas, so they create diversions such as claiming to avoid a govt shutdown, think back to the last so called govt shut down, who did they blame?

That's Right, they blamed cruz, knowing full well the real culprit was the Marxist in the WH, so why throw one of your own under the bus over that of America's enemy?
Because the establishment got their orders from the very same money backers as the Dims.
You see, Conservatives are a bigger threat to both party's very existence, as well as those that give them money, because Conservatives want to kill off their gravy train.

McCon, Ryan, McCain, they aren't there for the people or the nation, they're there as employees of an even more diabolical evil, they work for Marxists.
Now does it make sense why they do, what they do?

You have a very different position than my naive "model" based on deductive reasoning based on second hand information. I cannot confirm nor refute what you're saying regarding such a source of Marxist corruption behind the overall US political system. I've got this damned job that keeps nagging me ... need to make some income, pay some bills, and pay some taxes. Let me get back to you - wade in a little on your position. Stand by.

Solar

Quote from: topside on April 26, 2017, 10:08:26 AM
You have a very different position than my naive "model" based on deductive reasoning based on second hand information. I cannot confirm nor refute what you're saying regarding such a source of Marxist corruption behind the overall US political system. I've got this damned job that keeps nagging me ... need to make some income, pay some bills, and pay some taxes. Let me get back to you - wade in a little on your position. Stand by.
No doubt it's a lot to absorb, but once you demask the lot of scum, suddenly everything they do makes sense.
Here's a little checklist to start with.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/library/communist-goals-(1963)/
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Quote from: Solar on April 26, 2017, 03:00:11 PM
No doubt it's a lot to absorb, but once you demask the lot of scum, suddenly everything they do makes sense.
Here's a little checklist to start with.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/library/communist-goals-(1963)/

I read it - and it underscores the evil that has been at work behind the scenes. I tried to find the original source - prefer as close to original as I can get when possible. I couldn't find it in the congressional records directly nor at http://abacus.bates.edu/muskie-archives/ajcr/1963/1963%20CR%20Index.shtml#1963CRIndex. I'm surprised that the actual record including such an important set of statements isn't available online? But, moving on - it's a strong plan to undermine our Republic and much of it has been accomplished. If I were POTUS, this would be on my wall and I might read it at every meeting to remind everyone what we're countering. I'd probably read it to Congress too. I'd probably read it to the nation too.

But, I diverge. The existence of such a plot doesn't prove the conspiracy of a central power behind the parties. I do believe that there is spiritual evil at work against the Christian culture. But I interpret your statements to be of more natural (not supernatural) conspiracy ... or maybe both together. But let's focus for a moment on the natural conspiracy.

Let me dissect your post a little and comment ... not in opposition but to try to understand and give you my thoughts.

QuoteI think all of this will make a lot more sense if you stop looking at the two party's will differing agendas.

What I see is that the Pubs and Dims have been in stalemate for a long time. When the Dims are in majority, the Pubs won't cooperate on anything. When the Pubs are in majority, the Dims won't cooperate on anything. The platforms are very different ... for example, stance on baby killing and gays are very opposite. The Dims seem to favor govt. control and do seem subversive about it ... e.g., most of the jobs they created were govt. jobs, building more dependency on govt. A natural Marxist step. The Pubs seem to be working as best they can to free the market by inciting jobs outside of govt. and also they are pushing back on the agencies. So, on the surface, these obviously seem as opposing forces - I would say left and right, and to an extent good and evil. But both parties are a mix of the continuum ... Dims more on the right, Pubs more on the left. That's what I observe in about every instance.

So how is it that you cannot look at this as two parties with differing agendas? The following is your support for that position:

QuoteThe RNC/GOP Establishment are leftists, they have the same money backers as does the Dim party, they get the same marching orders as do the Dims, the only difference is they are free to go about achieving these goals any way they like.
Their backers tell them they want money spent in certain areas, so they create diversions such as claiming to avoid a govt shutdown, think back to the last so called govt shut down, who did they blame?

How can I see the RNC / GOP as leftists? Sure, there are some that promote leftist ideas in the party, but it's a mix that seems more right than left.

Who are the common money backers for Pubs and Dims. This is new to me. If so, what are their goals? Are you saying that the communist list are the goals of the money backers? What was the term you used that meant those who don't give a shit about the nation but just want to get all they can? I can't recall the term. But I would think the money backers would be in that category. I could guess that if its so, then their goal is to gain more power to promote their wealth ... so they would behave as Marxists too.

The last govt. shutdown was for about 2 weeks in October of 2013 and the conservatives took the heat (a group of 32). They took a stand for good reason, the way I read it, but have no idea how it got resolved. I didn't know this ... looked it up at:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/32-republicans-who-caused-the-government-shutdown/280236/

... but I do recall the shutdown, just didn't bother to hear who the LSM said was to blame.

The common backers to both parties is such a big claim you're making. What evidence do you rely on?

Always wondered what aspects are just diversions. Drop a bomb on a cruel country, cause riots on campuses, bring up wire taps by the opposing party that you probably knew about for awhile, etc. I don't know that any of these are diversions, but any of them could be.

I like to take things at face value - I live with an honest word and a handshake. And if you screw me once, you won't get a second chance. But I'm pretty sure that's naive when it comes to politics. That's probably why I'm having difficulty accepting the notion you've identified in your post.

With the LSM being so rabid, diversion seems like it would be a common tactic. But the important thing you said was that the backers give marching orders to their minions in both parties. What areas do they want the money spent in? Again, I would think in areas that they profit from like getting people to be dependent on them so they can gain more wealth. But they could also want people to invest certain ways and manipulate that aspect. We need the covert backers to publish their top ten list (yes, I'm kidding). But I would like for this group to come up with the top ten list that they think the backers are pushing for now.

QuoteThat's Right, they blamed cruz, knowing full well the real culprit was the Marxist in the WH, so why throw one of your own under the bus over that of America's enemy?
Because the establishment got their orders from the very same money backers as the Dims.
You see, Conservatives are a bigger threat to both party's very existence, as well as those that give them money, because Conservatives want to kill off their gravy train.

I think you go a little too far here. One reason that Trump has thrown Cruz and the Conservatives under the bus could be as you say. But it's only one possible reason. But I do agree that Conservatives are a threat to both parties ... the idea that we're a Republic under Constitutional law seems to be barely mentioned and when it is, it's almost as if it's an embarrassment.

Treatment of Conservatives is going the way similar to those of us who have faith in God; when most hear of it they scoff - dismiss us as enemies of science. "Oh, so you are a Conservative and believe in the God of the Bible. That's nice, I believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa." Aside: When they do scoff, one of my favorite replies is that of all the sciences, mathematics is the most pure - and math is based on faith - is basically generated by nine set-theory axioms (See Chapter Zero if you're interested ... a short secular book that is strictly objective in the main content). So we all have faith in something, and some rather choose to believe that all we see came from nothing? I should be the one scoffing. Sorry ... got distracted for a second.

Back to the point. I don't think Trump a Marxist - there is nothing in his background that leads me to believe this. I do think he entered as the type that just wants what's in it for him. But now he's in a position where he can't just do what he wants - many, many to negotiate with. He's been a negotiator in very limited settings compared to this one. But he's not a Conservative by any means -  a RINO by accident I'd say as he tries to figure out how to accomplish his agenda and keep his promises. I actually think he's pretty simple from that perspective. He'll turn chameleon to negotiate his agenda if he has to. And that includes pounding the Conservatives when they don't just vote for a plan sight unseen (Trump Care) just because they're team players. But if what you say is true about the backers, and even if Trump is a RINO trying to accomplish his election promises, he's still surrounded by RINOs and if the dark side is swaying them, they will use him as a puppet. He is definitely in over his head and need good, trustworthy people around him ... not evil swayed by the dark side. He is vulnerable to the dark side because of his self-centered and greedy tendencies that come natural due to the silver spoon that's been put in his mouth from birth, but I pray to God that the light will guide him, sway him for the purposes of good.

That's enough for now Solar. Thoughts?






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Quote from: topside on April 26, 2017, 06:13:24 PM
I read it - and it underscores the evil that has been at work behind the scenes. I tried to find the original source - prefer as close to original as I can get when possible. I couldn't find it in the congressional records directly nor at http://abacus.bates.edu/muskie-archives/ajcr/1963/1963%20CR%20Index.shtml#1963CRIndex. I'm surprised that the actual record including such an important set of statements isn't available online? But, moving on - it's a strong plan to undermine our Republic and much of it has been accomplished. If I were POTUS, this would be on my wall and I might read it at every meeting to remind everyone what we're countering. I'd probably read it to Congress too. I'd probably read it to the nation too.

But, I diverge. The existence of such a plot doesn't prove the conspiracy of a central power behind the parties. I do believe that there is spiritual evil at work against the Christian culture. But I interpret your statements to be of more natural (not supernatural) conspiracy ... or maybe both together. But let's focus for a moment on the natural conspiracy.

Let me dissect your post a little and comment ... not in opposition but to try to understand and give you my thoughts.

What I see is that the Pubs and Dims have been in stalemate for a long time. When the Dims are in majority, the Pubs won't cooperate on anything. When the Pubs are in majority, the Dims won't cooperate on anything. The platforms are very different ... for example, stance on baby killing and gays are very opposite. The Dims seem to favor govt. control and do seem subversive about it ... e.g., most of the jobs they created were govt. jobs, building more dependency on govt. A natural Marxist step. The Pubs seem to be working as best they can to free the market by inciting jobs outside of govt. and also they are pushing back on the agencies. So, on the surface, these obviously seem as opposing forces - I would say left and right, and to an extent good and evil. But both parties are a mix of the continuum ... Dims more on the right, Pubs more on the left. That's what I observe in about every instance.

So how is it that you cannot look at this as two parties with differing agendas? The following is your support for that position:

How can I see the RNC / GOP as leftists? Sure, there are some that promote leftist ideas in the party, but it's a mix that seems more right than left.

Who are the common money backers for Pubs and Dims. This is new to me. If so, what are their goals? Are you saying that the communist list are the goals of the money backers? What was the term you used that meant those who don't give a shit about the nation but just want to get all they can? I can't recall the term. But I would think the money backers would be in that category. I could guess that if its so, then their goal is to gain more power to promote their wealth ... so they would behave as Marxists too.

The last govt. shutdown was for about 2 weeks in October of 2013 and the conservatives took the heat (a group of 32). They took a stand for good reason, the way I read it, but have no idea how it got resolved. I didn't know this ... looked it up at:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/32-republicans-who-caused-the-government-shutdown/280236/

... but I do recall the shutdown, just didn't bother to hear who the LSM said was to blame.

The common backers to both parties is such a big claim you're making. What evidence do you rely on?

Always wondered what aspects are just diversions. Drop a bomb on a cruel country, cause riots on campuses, bring up wire taps by the opposing party that you probably knew about for awhile, etc. I don't know that any of these are diversions, but any of them could be.

I like to take things at face value - I live with an honest word and a handshake. And if you screw me once, you won't get a second chance. But I'm pretty sure that's naive when it comes to politics. That's probably why I'm having difficulty accepting the notion you've identified in your post.

With the LSM being so rabid, diversion seems like it would be a common tactic. But the important thing you said was that the backers give marching orders to their minions in both parties. What areas do they want the money spent in? Again, I would think in areas that they profit from like getting people to be dependent on them so they can gain more wealth. But they could also want people to invest certain ways and manipulate that aspect. We need the covert backers to publish their top ten list (yes, I'm kidding). But I would like for this group to come up with the top ten list that they think the backers are pushing for now.

I think you go a little too far here. One reason that Trump has thrown Cruz and the Conservatives under the bus could be as you say. But it's only one possible reason. But I do agree that Conservatives are a threat to both parties ... the idea that we're a Republic under Constitutional law seems to be barely mentioned and when it is, it's almost as if it's an embarrassment.

Treatment of Conservatives is going the way similar to those of us who have faith in God; when most hear of it they scoff - dismiss us as enemies of science. "Oh, so you are a Conservative and believe in the God of the Bible. That's nice, I believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa." Aside: When they do scoff, one of my favorite replies is that of all the sciences, mathematics is the most pure - and math is based on faith - is basically generated by nine set-theory axioms (See Chapter Zero if you're interested ... a short secular book that is strictly objective in the main content). So we all have faith in something, and some rather choose to believe that all we see came from nothing? I should be the one scoffing. Sorry ... got distracted for a second.

Back to the point. I don't think Trump a Marxist - there is nothing in his background that leads me to believe this. I do think he entered as the type that just wants what's in it for him. But now he's in a position where he can't just do what he wants - many, many to negotiate with. He's been a negotiator in very limited settings compared to this one. But he's not a Conservative by any means -  a RINO by accident I'd say as he tries to figure out how to accomplish his agenda and keep his promises. I actually think he's pretty simple from that perspective. He'll turn chameleon to negotiate his agenda if he has to. And that includes pounding the Conservatives when they don't just vote for a plan sight unseen (Trump Care) just because they're team players. But if what you say is true about the backers, and even if Trump is a RINO trying to accomplish his election promises, he's still surrounded by RINOs and if the dark side is swaying them, they will use him as a puppet. He is definitely in over his head and need good, trustworthy people around him ... not evil swayed by the dark side. He is vulnerable to the dark side because of his self-centered and greedy tendencies that come natural due to the silver spoon that's been put in his mouth from birth, but I pray to God that the light will guide him, sway him for the purposes of good.

That's enough for now Solar. Thoughts?
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Quote from: Solar on April 26, 2017, 06:49:01 PM
I will respond in time, but at the moment I'm suffering the ill effects of a new heart med at the moment and am unable to post but more than a few sentences at a time, so to be fair to your reply, I'll address it hopefully soon.
I'm OK, just sick as a dog.
Remind me if a few days passes and include a link.

Sorry to hear you're not feeling well. No need to reply at all unless you feel up to it. Take care.