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Absolute Right
« on: November 12, 2012, 11:05:44 AM »
Are there any absolute rights enjoyed by mankind?

It would seem not.

Life?  No, that is regulated by the death penalty.

Liberty?  No, there are jails full.

Pursuit of Happiness?  LOL! Ya, sure.......

I can't think of even one absolute right.  You?
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Re: Absolute Right
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2012, 11:16:00 AM »
Are there any absolute rights enjoyed by mankind?

It would seem not.

Life?  No, that is regulated by the death penalty.

Liberty?  No, there are jails full.

Pursuit of Happiness?  LOL! Ya, sure.......

I can't think of even one absolute right.  You?

You have an absolute right to your life and body, which implies liberty and freedom of choice.

Just because these rights can be violated does not mean they do not exist.

Rights merely circumscribe ethically unjust behavior from just.

Just because something is morally wrong to do does not mean it is impossible to do.
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Re: Absolute Right
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2012, 11:22:26 AM »
In truth, without our Bill of Rights, none of us would have any Rights.
Think about it, did the cave man have any rights, outside of his own power or projected power?

God gave us Rights, not the Govt, it behooves us all to continue the fight to retain them, don't look to govt to protect them, it is Govt that wants to usurp them.
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Re: Absolute Right
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2012, 11:27:19 AM »
In truth, without our Bill of Rights, none of us would have any Rights.
Think about it, did the cave man have any rights, outside of his own power or projected power?

God gave us Rights, not the Govt, it behooves us all to continue the fight to retain them, don't look to govt to protect them, it is Govt that wants to usurp them.

Those two statements are at odds with each other.

If rights are natural or God given, then the Bill of Rights did not create them.

It is one or the other.
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Re: Absolute Right
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2012, 11:29:50 AM »
Those two statements are at odds with each other.

If rights are natural or God given, then the Bill of Rights did not create them.

It is one or the other.
I'm in favor of the GOD given right. Rights "given" by a government or document can be taken away by another government or document.
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Re: Absolute Right
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2012, 11:29:54 AM »
Those two statements are at odds with each other.

If rights are natural or God given, then the Bill of Rights did not create them.

It is one or the other.
The Bill of Rights is an extension of God's given Rights.
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Re: Absolute Right
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2012, 11:33:57 AM »
You have no rights other than those you make for yourself, By either force or cunning.

Evil operates best when it is disguised for what it truly is.

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Re: Absolute Right
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2012, 11:42:15 AM »
The Bill of Rights is an extension of God's given Rights.

Certainly.

And that conflicts with this statement:

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In truth, without our Bill of Rights, none of us would have any Rights.
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Re: Absolute Right
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2012, 11:42:18 AM »
You have no rights other than those you make for yourself, By either force or cunning.
So you're suggesting that we actually live in a state of anomie, if not anarchy?
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Re: Absolute Right
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2012, 11:45:57 AM »
You have no rights other than those you make for yourself, By either force or cunning.

No way.

If I am unable to force you to accept my liberty, nor explain or argue why I have it, matters not in the least.

Initiating force is always wrong, for it violates the self ownership each person has and undermines the foundation of society.
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Re: Absolute Right
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2012, 11:50:13 AM »
You have no rights other than those you make for yourself, By either force or cunning.
BTW, wouldn't that make the institution of a Gulag system "right", even if those assigned to it, weren't there volutarily?
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Re: Absolute Right
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2012, 11:50:56 AM »
BTW, wouldn't that make the institution of a Gulag system "right", even if those assigned to it, weren't there volutarily?

Yes.

And it would make the holocaust and any other acts of mass murder, morally acceptable too.
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Re: Absolute Right
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2012, 11:55:29 AM »

This is going well.  Thanks.  I have a lot to learn and you are all helping.
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Re: Absolute Right
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2012, 12:00:25 PM »
Certainly.

And that conflicts with this statement:
The Bill of Rights usurps the power of the Govt.
These rights are God given Rights, it is us that project the power to keep them.
It may seem contradictory on it's face but, but in truth, these are provisory at best when you consider the Amendment process.
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Re: Absolute Right
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2012, 12:01:30 PM »
You have an absolute right to all of those things UNTIL you decide to violate those rights in others.

If you STEAL a life, you must repay with your own--unless you're a mom and decide you don't want your child

And so on with the rest.

You make the mistake that because the Godvernment VIOLATES your absolute rights, that they don't exist.  If the government permits stealing that doesn't mean stealing is a right.  That's what happens when you put government in God's place.

Are there any absolute rights enjoyed by mankind?

It would seem not.

Life?  No, that is regulated by the death penalty.

Liberty?  No, there are jails full.

Pursuit of Happiness?  LOL! Ya, sure.......

I can't think of even one absolute right.  You?

 

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