Quote from: Harry on June 04, 2014, 07:19:49 AM
You have to fight fire with fire, ya know...

Oh, you've seen him with a sun burn too?

Quote from: Solar on June 04, 2014, 07:35:28 AM
Oh, you've seen him with a sun burn too?

Thankfully, no, but the mere thought gives me nightmares.

Quote from: Harry on June 04, 2014, 07:37:34 AM


Thankfully, no, but the mere thought gives me nightmares.

Aw, don't be like that.  I'll bet we could ask Boo nice and he'd put us up a great pic of that sunburn.     

Quote from: The Boo Man... on June 02, 2014, 10:25:22 PM
Since the first 9/11 we have heard about the radical Muslims and the "normal" Muslims who don't adhere to Wahhabism or "ultra conservative Islam" I have been thinking (something most people advise me not to do) Are these moderate Muslims moderate because they are moderate or because they are in countries where extreme Islam won't be tolerated? In other words they are moderate because they have no choice.

How would things be if America allowed the stoning of rape victims? The killing of gays? The killing of Christians?

So my question is: Can Islam really be that moderate or is it just moderated by the country it exists in?

The part I underlined, is precisely why there is no such thing as a "moderate islamist".

Quote from: Walter Josh on June 03, 2014, 12:29:47 PM
Mountain's observations about the wars are on the mark.
Indeed Great Britain had no stake in the Great War which
at its core was an extension of the ancient enmity between
the Gauls and the Saxons; chronicled by Julius Caesar in
his War Dispatches. As a result of her rash hubris, Britain lost
both her Empire and her pre-eminent position in the world.
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As for Islam, my experience in that part of the world is that the
farther one gets from Mecca and Medina, the more relaxed the
pull of Islam is on the average Muslim. The West internalized
the adage, "Render to Caesar what is his and to God what is his",
separating Church and State. The East did not. Hence Islam 
has a suffocating impact on all aspects of Muslim life via Sharia Law.
As such, since Islam pervades their lives and is intolerant of
dissent,  it becomes the catalyst and outlet for jihadist fanaticism.

Britain had no stake in the great war?

Of course not, after all whats wrong with a mad man named Hitler taking over in England?

daidalos and w/respect.
That's not just some off the wall assertion by me, as ranking British
historians, including Sir John Keegan and Niall Ferguson, hold a
similar view. Following the collapse of Rome, France emerged as a
nation, effectively by the 8th century, while Germany didn't  emerge
until 1870. The reason is that the French regularly used Germany
as their private battlefield, from Charlemagne to Napoleon.
Then Prussia rose to unify the Germans and crush the French,
in the Franco-Prussian War. Von Bismark told Louis Napoleon and
his Generals, at the Versailles Treaty, that Germany would never
again be taken for granted by the French. The French bristled at the
humiliating treaty which annexed Alsace-Lorraine and swore revenge.
The consequence was the Great War. Britain, which had stayed out
of Europe since Waterloo, instead focused on its Empire and its commercial
interests. But the Tories feared and resented Germany, incessantly
beating the war drum. The ruling Liberal Party, led by the feckless
Herbert Asquith, the Bill Clinton of his day, caved and the rest is history.
The British people grasped the enormous calamity that  they bore
and never let the Liberals hold power again. House painter Adolph
Scheckelgruber was the consequence of the Great War. Peace.

What the British feared was the challenge to Britain's naval supremacy. The Kaiser, like every other king in Europe, related to Queen Victoria (a grandson) wanted to build his own fleet, pushing the British into alliance with France.

mdgiles,
It is true that Britain needed the supremacy of the Royal Navy
to maintain her Empire and international commercial interests.

Quote from: Walter Josh on June 07, 2014, 02:01:23 PM
mdgiles,
It is true that Britain needed the supremacy of the Royal Navy
to maintain her Empire and international commercial interests.

Indeed. A challenge to that supremacy was the one thing that would draw Britain into a continental alliance. Of all the things Germany could have done, getting into a dreadnought race, guaranteed hostility with Britain. If the Kaiser had any political sense at all, he would have allied himself with Britain, which would have allowed him to help himself to much of the French colonial empire.

Your observation about political sense is on the mark.
In 1888 Kaiser Fredrick III, a steady and self assured
man of classical liberal persuasions ruled Germany.
Fatefully, he died that year from cancer and his son
Wilhelm II became Kaiser. The latter was insecure, rash
and vain w/a bellicose temperament, unlike his father.
One of his early actions was to dismiss Chancellor
Von Bismarck, the great anchor of German politics and
world respected. Also by then Von Moltke the Elder,
Germany's Napoleon, had left the stage. Next, Wilhelm
let a Mutual Defense Treaty w/Russia lapse, a fatal error,
as it opened the door for the French. And most critically,
Wilhelm was dismissive and openly jealous of the
British Crown; members of his extended family. He was
the wrong man at the wrong time and a catalyst for
one of the greatest catastrophes in history; which is still
reverberating in our time.

Quote from: Mountainshield on June 04, 2014, 02:00:23 AM
Indeed, in conjuction with Mdgiles and Billys bajonet post and based on the fact that muslims are not killing people left and right only an incredible small portion do (in the west), most muslims want liberty and especially the ability to work in order to get good standard of living, there are more christians on welfare than muslims after all in Europe (refugees not included). The biggest portion of immigrant muslims come from Turkey, and they are also the most business savvy (they will try to cheat you) but also hard working people you can meet, i.e there are no muslim labor unions or demand from the muslim "spokesmen" demanding 6hour workday like europeans do.


Using Muslim Turkey and Egypt as examples we see the majority of Muslims in these countries reject Jihad and Sharia even to the point of death. Another point is that the fastest growing religion in the middle east like countries like Iran is Christianity, the real number though is impossible to know as it is underground, we may be witnessing the brutal oppression and fanaticism as a last ditch effort to quell the rise of Christianity and in the example Turkey and Egypt desperate attempt to quell the freedom to choose not to live like a taliban cavemen aka economic freedom.

From the data and the nature of Islam as Walter Josh pointed out with Sharia, Islam is a powerstructure that demands religious obedience but it is not a spiritual religion. I would argue communism is more spiritual than Islam with its new age religion. Islam like communism is able to use ethnic identity, culture and even nationalism to gain foothold and legitimacy and adapt to whatever society it infest, and just like communism the end goal of Islam is totalitarian state with total control of private property, total control as in total ruin of culture and total control on all forms of political power.

That Islam finds usefool fools to do terrorist attacks and even suicide attacks in the west, people who would otherwise have good jobs and good standard of living is not unique, communist find this as well.

Both Islam and communism would rather rule over the ruins, be king of the skullpile of a stone age country than live like normal hard working citizens in a prosperous society.

Edit: I would conclude that Islam is a disease just like communism, people with brain chemistry problems that causes them to want to dominate others. Not all socialists are communist, just like all muslims are not islamists, but they are still aiding and playing the part of the useful fool to their own detriment and benefit of the true enemy.

What the hell are you talking about? Please point out to us the last Communist terrorist you can think of. We'll wait.

If Islam is finding "useful fools" to commit terrorist acts, then it follows that Islam is LOOKING for exactly such fools to do exactly such things, wouldn't you agree?

Your post is weird. What do you actually think of Islam and Islamic terrorism?

Quote from: TboneAgain on June 08, 2014, 12:44:42 PM
What the hell are you talking about? Please point out to us the last Communist terrorist you can think of. We'll wait.

If Islam is finding "useful fools" to commit terrorist acts, then it follows that Islam is LOOKING for exactly such fools to do exactly such things, wouldn't you agree?

Your post is weird. What do you actually think of Islam and Islamic terrorism?

He lives in Norway, so his view of commies and Mscum takes on a different characteristic.

Quote from: Solar on June 08, 2014, 01:15:21 PM
He lives in Norway, so his view of commies and Mscum takes on a different characteristic.

"Living in Norway" is not much of an excuse. He's posting in the English language and making no sense.

You and I both live for such opportunities.... 

Quote from: TboneAgain on June 08, 2014, 02:06:18 PM
"Living in Norway" is not much of an excuse. He's posting in the English language and making no sense.

You and I both live for such opportunities.... 

I have problems understanding him on occasion, but I think his point was that commies as well as muscum use useful idiots to do their bidding, not necessarily terrorist acts, but stupid people to support them in their endeavors.
Hell, look at the Dim party, full of useful idiots of the commies.

Quote from: Solar on June 08, 2014, 02:19:14 PM
I have problems understanding him on occasion, but I think his point was that commies as well as muscum use useful idiots to do their bidding, not necessarily terrorist acts, but stupid people to support them in their endeavors.
Hell, look at the Dim party, full of useful idiots of the commies.

Clearly, we agree. Rapacious political movements, such as Islam and the American version of Democrat, actively seek "useful idiots" to do their bidding.