Quote from: TboneAgain on June 03, 2014, 06:47:17 PM
I love it when a reply starts with "Well..."

Frazier shot and killed three Christians. He may have been a Jew-hating bigot, but he wasn't very good at it.

D. B. Cooper was a thief, a bank robber, essentially, who settled on hijacking an airliner as a way to get the hell out of Dodge. I mentioned him not because I think he was a terrorist (he was not), but because of the fact that he hijacked a plane -- an act that tends to link to terrorism.

I'm not happy with you because you presented all these instances of weird crimes as evidence that terrorism and Islam are unrelated. I'm going to be generous and say that I don't think you're quite that dumb.

I know for a fact that the other folks here aren't that dumb.

That was not my intent at all. You said every single act of terrorism was committed by an Islamic male. You even used extra periods for emphasis. I was simply pointing out that wasn't true. you included DB because he hijacked a plane and that's related to terrorism. Unabomber and Eric Rudolph used bombs to kill civilians. That's related to terrorism as well.

Your whole point was to ask if all Muslims were extremists at heart. The answer is no, as you yourself later admitted a couple posts afterwards.

Quote from: Farsighted on June 03, 2014, 08:21:43 PM
That was not my intent at all. You said every single act of terrorism was committed by an Islamic male. You even used extra periods for emphasis. I was simply pointing out that wasn't true. you included DB because he hijacked a plane and that's related to terrorism. Unabomber and Eric Rudolph used bombs to kill civilians. That's related to terrorism as well.

Your whole point was to ask if all Muslims were extremists at heart. The answer is no, as you yourself later admitted a couple posts afterwards.

I didn't "admit" anything. I never once claimed that Muslims are automatically extremists. Where do you get such crap? Stating the obvious fact that almost every terrorist we know of was/is a Muslim is not the same as saying every Muslim is a terrorist. Come on.

I said every known terrorist with the exception of Timothy McVeigh -- and D. B. Cooper does NOT count, as we agree -- has been a young male Islamic Arab. You have not even offered to rebut.

If you really want to mince words, OK, we can do that.

But I'm waiting for you to start the fracas. So far, you haven't said anything worth response.

Tboneagain,

I must offer you my most sincere public apology. I have been posting on my phone and I mistakenly believed you were the person who started this thread. I feel extremely foolish because of this.

I'm sorry I said you were asking if Muslims were extremist by nature and the moderates were only moderate because they were forced to be by strict laws. That was my interpretation of the original post.

In my opinion, this is not true, and now I see you share that view as well. I'm very sorry to imply anything otherwise, and to attribute other peoples statements to you.

Farsighted

Quote from: Farsighted on June 03, 2014, 10:53:26 PM
Tboneagain,

I must offer you my most sincere public apology. I have been posting on my phone and I mistakenly believed you were the person who started this thread. I feel extremely foolish because of this.

I'm sorry I said you were asking if Muslims were extremist by nature and the moderates were only moderate because they were forced to be by strict laws. That was my interpretation of the original post.

In my opinion, this is not true, and now I see you share that view as well. I'm very sorry to imply anything otherwise, and to attribute other peoples statements to you.

Farsighted

I don't think every single terrorist is a muzzie. Just 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999% of them.

Quote from: Farsighted on June 03, 2014, 04:08:23 AM
Nice well thought out post. There has to be a series of different motivators for people to act in certain ways. There is no silver bullet answer to this question. I especially don't think it's safe to assume all 1.5 billion Muslims are secretly extremist and are only contained by force or threat of force.

Most Muslim terrorist attacks end up as suicide missions. So I doubt a fear of the state could dissuade a terrorist. If all Muslims were secretly extremists, you would see Muslims shooting up malls in America every day. Who cares how badly Uncle Sam will punish you if you never expect to walk out alive anyway.

Some people are serial killers, some people are child molesters, some people are terrorists, some are slave owners. But the overwhelming majority of the time, people are just people.

Indeed, in conjuction with Mdgiles and Billys bajonet post and based on the fact that muslims are not killing people left and right only an incredible small portion do (in the west), most muslims want liberty and especially the ability to work in order to get good standard of living, there are more christians on welfare than muslims after all in Europe (refugees not included). The biggest portion of immigrant muslims come from Turkey, and they are also the most business savvy (they will try to cheat you) but also hard working people you can meet, i.e there are no muslim labor unions or demand from the muslim "spokesmen" demanding 6hour workday like europeans do.

QuoteAre these moderate Muslims moderate because they are moderate or because they are in countries where extreme Islam won't be tolerated? In other words they are moderate because they have no choice.

Using Muslim Turkey and Egypt as examples we see the majority of Muslims in these countries reject Jihad and Sharia even to the point of death. Another point is that the fastest growing religion in the middle east like countries like Iran is Christianity, the real number though is impossible to know as it is underground, we may be witnessing the brutal oppression and fanaticism as a last ditch effort to quell the rise of Christianity and in the example Turkey and Egypt desperate attempt to quell the freedom to choose not to live like a taliban cavemen aka economic freedom.

From the data and the nature of Islam as Walter Josh pointed out with Sharia, Islam is a powerstructure that demands religious obedience but it is not a spiritual religion. I would argue communism is more spiritual than Islam with its new age religion. Islam like communism is able to use ethnic identity, culture and even nationalism to gain foothold and legitimacy and adapt to whatever society it infest, and just like communism the end goal of Islam is totalitarian state with total control of private property, total control as in total ruin of culture and total control on all forms of political power.

That Islam finds usefool fools to do terrorist attacks and even suicide attacks in the west, people who would otherwise have good jobs and good standard of living is not unique, communist find this as well.

Both Islam and communism would rather rule over the ruins, be king of the skullpile of a stone age country than live like normal hard working citizens in a prosperous society.

Edit: I would conclude that Islam is a disease just like communism, people with brain chemistry problems that causes them to want to dominate others. Not all socialists are communist, just like all muslims are not islamists, but they are still aiding and playing the part of the useful fool to their own detriment and benefit of the true enemy.

Quote from: Farsighted on June 03, 2014, 08:21:43 PM
That was not my intent at all. You said every single act of terrorism was committed by an Islamic male. You even used extra periods for emphasis. I was simply pointing out that wasn't true. you included DB because he hijacked a plane and that's related to terrorism. Unabomber and Eric Rudolph used bombs to kill civilians. That's related to terrorism as well.

Your whole point was to ask if all Muslims were extremists at heart. The answer is no, as you yourself later admitted a couple posts afterwards.

Quoteter·ror·ism
[ter-uh-riz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

As you can see from the definition above, terrorism is a tool used to influence (coerce) government to change policy. So, yes, the Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski is a terrorist. I think that TboneAgain's point is that terrorism in our country, meant to influence government policy, that originates from outside the US is for the most part carried out by people of the Muslim faith, be they native born or not.

Quote from: Farsighted on June 03, 2014, 10:53:26 PM
Tboneagain,

I must offer you my most sincere public apology. I have been posting on my phone and I mistakenly believed you were the person who started this thread. I feel extremely foolish because of this.

I'm sorry I said you were asking if Muslims were extremist by nature and the moderates were only moderate because they were forced to be by strict laws. That was my interpretation of the original post.

In my opinion, this is not true, and now I see you share that view as well. I'm very sorry to imply anything otherwise, and to attribute other peoples statements to you.

Farsighted

That's OK, we all know the author Boo, has terrorist tendencies.
Why just the other day when he had 12 jihadis strung up by the thumbs and beating the crap out of them, you could see the empathy in his one good eye as he picked up his dull rust knife.

But never call Boo a terrorist, radical yes, but never terrorist.

Quote from: Solar on June 04, 2014, 06:00:58 AM
That's OK, we all know the author Boo, has terrorist tendencies.
Why just the other day when he had 12 jihadis strung up by the thumbs and beating the crap out of them, you could see the empathy in his one good eye as he picked up his dull rust knife.

But never call Boo a terrorist, radical yes, but never terrorist.

A terrorist without pants is a terrifying thought!

Quote from: Harry on June 04, 2014, 06:11:41 AM
A terrorist without pants is a terrifying thought!

They think a clown wielding a knife is scary. They haven't seen Berts knees.

Quote from: Harry on June 04, 2014, 06:11:41 AM
A terrorist without pants is a terrifying thought!

Quote from: Solar on June 04, 2014, 06:46:43 AM

They think a clown wielding a knife is scary. They haven't seen Berts knees.

Bert without pants is definitely a situation for which protection is kneeded.

Quote from: Harry on June 04, 2014, 07:03:02 AM
Bert without pants is definitely a situation for which protection is kneeded.

Kevlar body condom?

Quote from: Solar on June 04, 2014, 07:10:12 AM
Kevlar body condom?

I was thinking more along the lines of weapons of mass destruction.

Quote from: Harry on June 04, 2014, 07:12:49 AM
I was thinking more along the lines of weapons of mass destruction.

That would be his bare knees.

Quote from: Solar on June 04, 2014, 07:16:44 AM
That would be his bare knees.

You have to fight fire with fire, ya know...