Hey guys... I'm obviously a new member here, and to be honest, I used to be a strong Repubcan, however, I've recently been losing my faith. The GOP has disappointed me a lot lately. In fact, I'm leaning more towards becoming a Libertarian at this point.

Now, I'm not trying to troll or attack anyone here... but from a lot of the posts I've read, it seems like this is more of a new-fashioned, neoconservative environment as opposed to an old school, hardcore small-government and civil liberties oriented kind of place.

I mean, I used to be pretty religious, and in fact I still consider myself a Christian, but not in the sense that I think my religion should be used to oppress people. Actually, I've been thinking about this a lot lately... but what do neocons in America and Muslims in the Middle East have in common? They both use their religion to justify governmental legislation of morality. Hey, Muslims and Christians might hate each other, but they at least want their governments to keep gay marriage illegal, right?

I know, there's a big difference between the Muslims wanting to murder the gays, and Christians simply wanting to keep it illegal. But still, however you want to dress it up or spin it, this is a religion being used to justify bigger governmental control over private citizens' lives, and I don't like that.

And this is why I've lost faith in the GOP. Because I actually, truly, honestly want less governmental control over my fellow Americans' lives. I mean that with all of my heart. And also, I do not give a damn what gay people do in private, and it doesn't bother me in the least if they get married. Why should it? And why should the government decide it's illegal, just because of an ancient religious text that says it's wrong?

I mean, how does that not horrify you guys? An ancient religious text says that homosexuality is wrong, and therefore, the government should keep it illegal. This is the same justification Islam uses. Look, I'm pretty much as right leaning and conservative when comes to anything economic and even most social issues too. I'm against abortion, and I also believe strongly in the right to bear arms.

But the same reason I believe strongly in those issues, is also the same reason why I think gay marriage should be legal. Let me repeat that.... I believe strongly in the right to bear arms, for the same reason I believe that gay marriage should be legal. I couldn't imagine believing strongly in one of those, without the other.

Let's face it: if you think the government should see gays as lesser citizens because they were born differently, then you don't actually believe in smaller government. Can't neocons just admit they're actually against small government, and that they oppose civil liberties?

If I were still a neocon as opposed to a true conservative, I'd be for more governmental control over those damn homos' lives too. Look... you eventually have to admit that to yourself -- and it makes you question everything else. It might even feel to good to say this out loud: I love Jesus and he tells me to love everyone else... but he never once mentioned homosexuals once in the Bible. Look it up. Name one time Jesus mentioned Homosexuality.

This is a man who forgave the people who executed him, and also said, he who is perfect, let him throw the first stone. He was full of love, and preached of the fruits of the spirit. I don't think is a man who would have spent his hours lobbying the occupying Roman government for more control over homosexual's lives....

But yeah, the old testament and Paul both preach that homosexuality is immoral, and therefore it should be illegal. But in that case, shouldn't divorce be illegal too... or cigarettes and alcohol, or taking the Lord's name in vain, or having hateful thoughts towards your neighbor, or overeating, or firearms (guns kill many people in America) or whatever else? I mean, why is McDonalds legal, a place that sells horrible processed foods and contributes towards obesity and heart disease -- the number 1 killer in America -- yet gay marriage is somehow something the government should forbid? McDonalds has killed far more many people than gays ever have... In fact McDonalds kills more than homosexuality and gun violence combined. Do I think it should be illegal though? No.

I mean, pardon my French, but what in the damn hell is the justification for that? Hey, maybe the government should keep everything else I listed above illegal too. Guns, bad food, sinful thoughts, divorce, etc. If societal harm were the only justification for the government keeping something illegal, then McDonalds wouldn't be allowed to sell here! If you honestly and truly believe gay marriage should stay illegal, then your same argument can be applied to McDonalds, and guns, and so many other harmful things that really should still be legal, because we live in a country that's free. I believe in the free market, I believe in civil liberties, and I'm so damn sick of the government telling us what we can and can't do. If the government tells me I can't own my guns (I have quite a few), it's just as upsetting when they tell my friends they can't marry and get better insurance benefits and societal recognition as real and equal citizens. I'm not gay but I have quite a few family members and friends who are, and I'm sick of the GOP campaigning for them to have less rights than I do. That, quite frankly, disgusts me.

And the scary thought is, that what if, by some bizarre chance, some other religion besides Christianity became dominant in America? There would be a movement against dancing and drinking caffeine, if the Amish or Mormons had their way. Oh, and if by any chance the Muslims had control of this country, homosexuality would be even more of a punishable offense than Christians could even imagine. A few of my close friends and family members would be thrown off buildings, and those Muslims would use the government at the time to justify it. Thankfully you neocons would just prefer they don't get recognized as equal citizens and receive insurance benefits, among a few other things. Not quite as bad, but still, you gotta recognize the parallel between Islam and Neocon at this point.

I mean, yeah, Christianity is the dominant religion in America now. But if Christianity ever falls out of popularity, and some other religion like the hateful and awful Islam becomes favored, then the same arguments neocons are using today to justify keeping gay marriage illegal could also be used to persecute Christians, or anyone else that disagrees with their ideas. And they will use the government to do it, in the same way neocons want the government to keep homosexuality illegal. That is a horrifying thought to me, as a libertarian, and it's why I've lost faith in the GOP and many Republicans today. Am I an idiot for feeling this way?

Honestly, what happened to civil liberties? Am I just taking crazy pills, or do most Democrats, so-called "Republicans", and really most Americans simply not believe in small government or civil liberties anymore (unless it means more civil liberties for them and less for everyone else)? In that case, why not just admit and be proud of it? Ugh, I'm so disgusted. The legislation of morality through bigger government is something the modern day neocon GOP believes in strongly nowadays, and that is my same complain against the left, at this point. Marxism used the government to strip rights away from people they saw as lessers and enemies too. Islam uses the Quuran or whatever it's called to keep women from driving. I'm just so disgusted by it all.

Quote from: Iraave on August 26, 2015, 01:38:09 AM


I mean, I used to be pretty religious, and in fact I still consider myself a Christian, but not in the sense that I think my religion should be used to oppress people. Actually, I've been thinking about this a lot lately... but what do neocons in America and Muslims in the Middle East have in common? They both use their religion to justify governmental legislation of morality. Hey, Muslims and Christians might hate each other, but they at least want their governments to keep gay marriage illegal, right?

This isn't a Republican forum. It is a CONSERVATIVE/TEA PARTY forum.

Homosexuals are free to go thru a ceremony and CALL it "marriage."

What you want is for the governmemt to change the DEFINITION of marriage so you can llegitimize your ceremony.

Marriage has a definition. I accept the traditional definition. You aren't gonna convince the vast majority to accept your definition. You seem to be effective in getting the elites in big government to side with you in your quest to IMPOSE your redefinition of marriage on the rest of us.

That doesn't seem to be enough for you. Now you want to evangelize your idiotology/perversion among private citizens in a CONSERVATIVE forum to accept your REDEFINITION of the institution of marriage.

There seems to be no limits to the INTOLERANCE of the Left.

Quotemar·riage
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the legally or formally recognized union of a man and a woman as partners in a relationship         

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Quote from: Iraave on August 26, 2015, 01:38:09 AM
Hey guys... I'm obviously a new member here, and to be honest, I used to be a strong Repubcan, however, I've recently been losing my faith. The GOP has disappointed me a lot lately. In fact, I'm leaning more towards becoming a Libertarian at this point.

What is a libertarian to you?

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Now, I'm not trying to troll or attack anyone here... but

I feel like I've seen this movie before...

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from a lot of the posts I've read, it seems like this is more of a new-fashioned, neoconservative environment as opposed to an old school, hardcore small-government and civil liberties oriented kind of place.

Please link to a few big government posts you've seen from this forum.  It should be easy, since you have seen "a lot" of them.

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I mean, I used to be pretty religious,

Nobody cares.

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and in fact I still consider myself a Christian, but not in the sense that I think my religion should be used to oppress people.

Nobody here does, and neither do most normal people.  This is your academic brain-washing starting to take effect here.

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Actually, I've been thinking about this a lot lately... but what do neocons in America and Muslims in the Middle East have in common? They both use their religion to justify governmental legislation of morality. Hey, Muslims and Christians might hate each other, but they at least want their governments to keep gay marriage illegal, right?

Your first mistake, after listening to academic professors who have no life experience or skill they can apply to society, is to attempt to link the Christian religion to a cult.  That's silly, and it shows you really haven't thought through this.  Jesus wouldn't be beheading gays, and pretty much nobody here hates gays.  Your thinking skills have been deadened, so it will be difficult for you to conceptualize that we don't hate gays or think they're special simply because they are gay.  They can do whatever they want with other consenting adults in their private lives.  Nobody here cares, and many of us on this forum, because of where we are in the country and our day to day interactions, and just being in business in general, have no problem with gays and could care less.  You've been trained to think we hate gays, and it's just silly and moronic.

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I know, there's a big difference between the Muslims wanting to murder the gays, and Christians simply wanting to keep it illegal.

Who wants to keep what illegal?  Please explain.  You're talking from a ridiculous perspective that makes no sense.

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But still, however you want to dress it up or spin it, this is a religion being used to justify bigger governmental control over private citizens' lives, and I don't like that.

I still have no idea what in the hell you are talking about.

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And this is why I've lost faith in the GOP. Because I actually, truly, honestly want less governmental control over my fellow Americans' lives. I mean that with all of my heart. And also, I do not give a damn what gay people do in private, and it doesn't bother me in the least if they get married. Why should it? And why should the government decide it's illegal, just because of an ancient religious text that says it's wrong?

I don't know what homework assignment your professor gave you, but just know, you look really silly right now.

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I mean, how does that not horrify you guys? An ancient religious text says that homosexuality is wrong, and therefore, the government should keep it illegal.

What respected conservative wants to make being gay illegal?  Please link to the source.  Otherwise, admit you are just trying to get some finger excersize with this post.

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This is the same justification Islam uses. Look, I'm pretty much as right leaning and conservative when comes to anything economic and even most social issues too. I'm against abortion, and I also believe strongly in the right to bear arms.

I have a feeling you're about as conservative as I am Chinese.

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But the same reason I believe strongly in those issues, is also the same reason why I think gay marriage should be legal. Let me repeat that.... I believe strongly in the right to bear arms, for the same reason I believe that gay marriage should be legal. I couldn't imagine believing strongly in one of those, without the other.

Like most non-thinkers, you have been trained to parrot that our support of traditional marriage is the same as hating gays.  That's a perspective that has no basis, and is only consumed by those with no logic-processing faculties in their brain.

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Let's face it: if you think the government should see gays as lesser citizens because they were born differently, then you don't actually believe in smaller government. Can't neocons just admit they're actually against small government, and that they oppose civil liberties?

Understand what you're doing:  you're coming to a forum that wants to eliminate the EPA, Dept of Ed, IRS, Dept of Energy, foreign aid, ramp down welfare and other subsidies, and telling us we're "neocons" and need to admit that we're actually not really for smaller government BECAUSE your professor has engrained it in your little brain that supporting traditional marriage is gay hating.  You don't see how silly that is?

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If I were still a neocon as opposed to a true conservative, I'd be for more governmental control over those damn homos' lives too. Look... you eventually have to admit that to yourself -- and it makes you question everything else. It might even feel to good to say this out loud: I love Jesus and he tells me to love everyone else... but he never once mentioned homosexuals once in the Bible. Look it up. Name one time Jesus mentioned Homosexuality.

What you're really doing is bringing your daddy issues to the forum.  You need to grow up and figure out what you want to do with your life.

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This is a man who forgave the people who executed him, and also said, he who is perfect, let him throw the first stone. He was full of love, and preached of the fruits of the spirit. I don't think is a man who would have spent his hours lobbying the occupying Roman government for more control over homosexual's lives....

But yeah, the old testament and Paul both preach that homosexuality is immoral, and therefore it should be illegal. But in that case, shouldn't divorce be illegal too... or cigarettes and alcohol, or taking the Lord's name in vain, or having hateful thoughts towards your neighbor, or overeating, or firearms (guns kill many people in America) or whatever else? I mean, why is McDonalds legal, a place that sells horrible processed foods and contributes towards obesity and heart disease -- the number 1 killer in America -- yet gay marriage is somehow something the government should forbid? McDonalds has killed far more many people than gays ever have... In fact McDonalds kills more than homosexuality and gun violence combined. Do I think it should be illegal though? No.

I mean, pardon my French, but what in the damn hell is the justification for that? Hey, maybe the government should keep everything else I listed above illegal too. Guns, bad food, sinful thoughts, divorce, etc. If societal harm were the only justification for the government keeping something illegal, then McDonalds wouldn't be allowed to sell here! If you honestly and truly believe gay marriage should stay illegal, then your same argument can be applied to McDonalds, and guns, and so many other harmful things that really should still be legal, because we live in a country that's free. I believe in the free market, I believe in civil liberties, and I'm so damn sick of the government telling us what we can and can't do. If the government tells me I can't own my guns (I have quite a few), it's just as upsetting when they tell my friends they can't marry and get better insurance benefits and societal recognition as real and equal citizens. I'm not gay but I have quite a few family members and friends who are, and I'm sick of the GOP campaigning for them to have less rights than I do. That, quite frankly, disgusts me.

If you can, before you post next time, please take your medication and give it 30 minutes.  We'd all appreciate that.

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And the scary thought is, that what if, by some bizarre chance, some other religion besides Christianity became dominant in America? There would be a movement against dancing and drinking caffeine, if the Amish or Mormons had their way. Oh, and if by any chance the Muslims had control of this country, homosexuality would be even more of a punishable offense than Christians could even imagine. A few of my close friends and family members would be thrown off buildings, and those Muslims would use the government at the time to justify it. Thankfully you neocons would just prefer they don't get recognized as equal citizens and receive insurance benefits, among a few other things. Not quite as bad, but still, you gotta recognize the parallel between Islam and Neocon at this point.

Academia is still pushing the "neocon" agenda.  Too funny.

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I mean, yeah, Christianity is the dominant religion in America now. But if Christianity ever falls out of popularity, and some other religion like the hateful and awful Islam becomes favored, then the same arguments neocons are using today to justify keeping gay marriage illegal could also be used to persecute Christians, or anyone else that disagrees with their ideas. And they will use the government to do it, in the same way neocons want the government to keep homosexuality illegal. That is a horrifying thought to me, as a libertarian, and it's why I've lost faith in the GOP and many Republicans today. Am I an idiot for feeling this way?

Honestly, what happened to civil liberties? Am I just taking crazy pills, or do most Democrats, so-called "Republicans", and really most Americans simply not believe in small government or civil liberties anymore (unless it means more civil liberties for them and less for everyone else)? In that case, why not just admit and be proud of it? Ugh, I'm so disgusted. The legislation of morality through bigger government is something the modern day neocon GOP believes in strongly nowadays, and that is my same complain against the left, at this point. Marxism used the government to strip rights away from people they saw as lessers and enemies too. Islam uses the Quuran or whatever it's called to keep women from driving. I'm just so disgusted by it all.

You do realize that gay marriage gets shot down at the ballot box all the time, and your big government activist judges keep it alive, right?  Or, do you know that, yet wrote this entire post?

I didn't read all the way thru his long winded rant. I missed this:

Quotebut he never once mentioned homosexuals once in the Bible. Look it up. Name one time Jesus mentioned Homosexuality 

Well, he did according to the issue you're promoting.  He said marriageis between ONE MAN AMD ONE WOMAN.

Quoteand said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one       

He also didnt say anything about marrying your dog. Does that mean he approves of marrying your dog?

Quote from: Iraave on August 26, 2015, 01:38:09 AM
Hey guys... I'm obviously a new member here, and to be honest, I used to be a strong Repubcan, however, I've recently been losing my faith. The GOP has disappointed me a lot lately. In fact, I'm leaning more towards becoming a Libertarian at this point.

Now, I'm not trying to troll or attack anyone here... but from a lot of the posts I've read, it seems like this is more of a new-fashioned, neoconservative environment as opposed to an old school, hardcore small-government and civil liberties oriented kind of place.

I mean, I used to be pretty religious, and in fact I still consider myself a Christian, but not in the sense that I think my religion should be used to oppress people. Actually, I've been thinking about this a lot lately... but what do neocons in America and Muslims in the Middle East have in common? They both use their religion to justify governmental legislation of morality. Hey, Muslims and Christians might hate each other, but they at least want their governments to keep gay marriage illegal, right?

I know, there's a big difference between the Muslims wanting to murder the gays, and Christians simply wanting to keep it illegal. But still, however you want to dress it up or spin it, this is a religion being used to justify bigger governmental control over private citizens' lives, and I don't like that.

And this is why I've lost faith in the GOP. Because I actually, truly, honestly want less governmental control over my fellow Americans' lives. I mean that with all of my heart. And also, I do not give a damn what gay people do in private, and it doesn't bother me in the least if they get married. Why should it? And why should the government decide it's illegal, just because of an ancient religious text that says it's wrong?

I mean, how does that not horrify you guys? An ancient religious text says that homosexuality is wrong, and therefore, the government should keep it illegal. This is the same justification Islam uses. Look, I'm pretty much as right leaning and conservative when comes to anything economic and even most social issues too. I'm against abortion, and I also believe strongly in the right to bear arms.

But the same reason I believe strongly in those issues, is also the same reason why I think gay marriage should be legal. Let me repeat that.... I believe strongly in the right to bear arms, for the same reason I believe that gay marriage should be legal. I couldn't imagine believing strongly in one of those, without the other.

Let's face it: if you think the government should see gays as lesser citizens because they were born differently, then you don't actually believe in smaller government. Can't neocons just admit they're actually against small government, and that they oppose civil liberties?

If I were still a neocon as opposed to a true conservative, I'd be for more governmental control over those damn homos' lives too. Look... you eventually have to admit that to yourself -- and it makes you question everything else. It might even feel to good to say this out loud: I love Jesus and he tells me to love everyone else... but he never once mentioned homosexuals once in the Bible. Look it up. Name one time Jesus mentioned Homosexuality.

This is a man who forgave the people who executed him, and also said, he who is perfect, let him throw the first stone. He was full of love, and preached of the fruits of the spirit. I don't think is a man who would have spent his hours lobbying the occupying Roman government for more control over homosexual's lives....

But yeah, the old testament and Paul both preach that homosexuality is immoral, and therefore it should be illegal. But in that case, shouldn't divorce be illegal too... or cigarettes and alcohol, or taking the Lord's name in vain, or having hateful thoughts towards your neighbor, or overeating, or firearms (guns kill many people in America) or whatever else? I mean, why is McDonalds legal, a place that sells horrible processed foods and contributes towards obesity and heart disease -- the number 1 killer in America -- yet gay marriage is somehow something the government should forbid? McDonalds has killed far more many people than gays ever have... In fact McDonalds kills more than homosexuality and gun violence combined. Do I think it should be illegal though? No.

I mean, pardon my French, but what in the damn hell is the justification for that? Hey, maybe the government should keep everything else I listed above illegal too. Guns, bad food, sinful thoughts, divorce, etc. If societal harm were the only justification for the government keeping something illegal, then McDonalds wouldn't be allowed to sell here! If you honestly and truly believe gay marriage should stay illegal, then your same argument can be applied to McDonalds, and guns, and so many other harmful things that really should still be legal, because we live in a country that's free. I believe in the free market, I believe in civil liberties, and I'm so damn sick of the government telling us what we can and can't do. If the government tells me I can't own my guns (I have quite a few), it's just as upsetting when they tell my friends they can't marry and get better insurance benefits and societal recognition as real and equal citizens. I'm not gay but I have quite a few family members and friends who are, and I'm sick of the GOP campaigning for them to have less rights than I do. That, quite frankly, disgusts me.

And the scary thought is, that what if, by some bizarre chance, some other religion besides Christianity became dominant in America? There would be a movement against dancing and drinking caffeine, if the Amish or Mormons had their way. Oh, and if by any chance the Muslims had control of this country, homosexuality would be even more of a punishable offense than Christians could even imagine. A few of my close friends and family members would be thrown off buildings, and those Muslims would use the government at the time to justify it. Thankfully you neocons would just prefer they don't get recognized as equal citizens and receive insurance benefits, among a few other things. Not quite as bad, but still, you gotta recognize the parallel between Islam and Neocon at this point.

I mean, yeah, Christianity is the dominant religion in America now. But if Christianity ever falls out of popularity, and some other religion like the hateful and awful Islam becomes favored, then the same arguments neocons are using today to justify keeping gay marriage illegal could also be used to persecute Christians, or anyone else that disagrees with their ideas. And they will use the government to do it, in the same way neocons want the government to keep homosexuality illegal. That is a horrifying thought to me, as a libertarian, and it's why I've lost faith in the GOP and many Republicans today. Am I an idiot for feeling this way?

Honestly, what happened to civil liberties? Am I just taking crazy pills, or do most Democrats, so-called "Republicans", and really most Americans simply not believe in small government or civil liberties anymore (unless it means more civil liberties for them and less for everyone else)? In that case, why not just admit and be proud of it? Ugh, I'm so disgusted. The legislation of morality through bigger government is something the modern day neocon GOP believes in strongly nowadays, and that is my same complain against the left, at this point. Marxism used the government to strip rights away from people they saw as lessers and enemies too. Islam uses the Quuran or whatever it's called to keep women from driving. I'm just so disgusted by it all.

Jeeeez, did you think you stumbled into a confessional?
OK, I forgive, grant you absolution
To be honest, I fell asleep after the first paragraph of rambling biased/prejudiced, leftist talking points.

Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2015, 05:35:32 AM
Jeeeez, did you think you stumbled into a confessional?
OK, I forgive, grant you absolution
To be honest, I fell asleep after the first paragraph of rambling biased/prejudiced, leftist talking points.

I was going to move this into the joke board at first, but move it to MSM Distraction News.   

Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2015, 05:35:32 AM
Jeeeez, did you think you stumbled into a confessional?
OK, I forgive, grant you absolution
To be honest, I fell asleep after the first paragraph of rambling biased/prejudiced, leftist talking points.

He just got out of class and was all excited...

Quote from: taxed on August 26, 2015, 05:49:10 AM
He just got out of class and was all excited...

Clean up in the hallway is needed. 

Quote from: walkstall on August 26, 2015, 05:53:49 AM
Clean up in the hallway is needed. 

He ran straight from class to his keyboard and just couldn't hold it...

Quote from: taxed on August 26, 2015, 05:55:19 AM
He ran straight from class to his keyboard and just couldn't hold it...

Quote from: walkstall on August 26, 2015, 05:53:49 AM
Clean up in the hallway is needed. 

Your pick, I didn't even read that shit, so I have no idea how to categorize it. Miscellaneous?

Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2015, 06:27:06 AM
Your pick, I didn't even read that shit, so I have no idea how to categorize it. Miscellaneous?

That will work for me, as we don't have a Sewer board.

Quote from: walkstall on August 26, 2015, 05:58:31 AM

  Speaking of Chapter 3...... 

Quote from: walkstall on August 26, 2015, 05:58:31 AM

That's how Ricky died...

Wow... a lot of name calling. Didn't realize this was such a brutal and hateful place here.... Guess I should have seen this coming.

Anyways, like I said, I'm an old school libertarian. I believe strongly in small government and personal freedom. I do not think this forum feels the same way, however, and that is unfortunate. I see a lot of name calling, hatred, and basically terrible personalities left and right. Sigh.... the problems with neocons: they don't understand the difference between religious freedom and actual freedom.

Oh, and let me say it again: I think gay marriage should be legal. I also think conceal and carry should be legal. I think marijuana should be legal. Honestly, I do not want to live in an America where a Muslim car dealership can deny women the right to buy cars.... but that is what you guys want, right? The Kentucky clerk should have the right to deny gays marriage... so, that means muslims should have the same right to deny women the right to drive.. right?

I MEAN AM I TAKING CRAZY PILLS? Seriously though I agree with all of you on every single issue except marriage. The way I see it, Islam is one of the most oppressive and hateful religions in existence at the moment. Would any member of this forum be proud of a Muslim worker of the U.S. government for disobeying their orders and denying a woman a driver's license? FUCK NO! So, why the double standard? I mean, are you pro-religion, or are you not? Are you pro big-government, or are you not? Pick a side, soon, please.