Quote from: Solar on October 22, 2010, 07:49:42 AM
I just don't see it as an issue, cities, large ones at that do not comprise the majority of the Nation, never has, never will.
The food does not come from the cities, nor does the water, cities are merely the largest consumers, it is rural America that made this Country, not the other way around, and it will be rural America that bails it our.

Would it really be all that bad if th Bay area disappeared, or NY or Chicago?
Of course I jest, but really, the Country could easily function without them.

OK, I give up.  Go ahead and insult me with "Mad Max" references.  People who don't get it will be the ones to suffer in the end.  You accuse me of having an "all or nothing" attitude, when in fact it is YOU who has an all or nothing attitude.

Remember that ONE attack on U.S. soil, that brought down a few buildings in ONE U.S. city and killed 3,000 people, crippled the airline industry, damaged the U.S. stock market, and caused the expenditure of BILLIONS, probably TRILLIONS, of dollars in taxpayer money to "protect" the citizenry via two wars, the creation of a new cabinet-level department with thousands of employees, increased security around the country, etc., etc., etc.

Imagine if a MASSIVE terrorist attack occurred in this country, where multiple cities are targeted and tens of thousands of people are killed.  What do you suppose would happen to the U.S. economy then?

Do you REALLY think the tens of millions of people who live in the big cities are going to sit around and just die when they run out of food and water?  Do you REALLY believe that the federal government is going to come to the rescue of ANYBODY?  Do you REALLY believe that law enforcement and the U.S. military are going to keep and restore order in our society, when they have their own families to take care of and keep safe?  Do you REALLY believe that the U.S. military is going to give a shit about what is going on in U.S. cities when they have much bigger fish to fry, like repelling foreign enemies who might decide that conquering the United States when it is down is a good idea? 

You all go ahead and have your "fun" with me.  Those of you who don't know what is REALLY going on in this country, and live in some "we are bulletproof because we are Americans" world, are putting yourselves and your loved ones in grave danger.

I'll do what I believe is best for my family and loved ones.  You all do whatever it is you decide to do.

Quote from: quiller on October 22, 2010, 08:51:41 AM
I live 30 miles in any one direction from the nearest freeway (the most likely path they'll take when the city shuts down its water, like Detroit can, affecting suburbs as well). There are long dark roads that scare city drivers. We are used to dark roads, and they will never see us coming.

Erecting roadblocks into the county would pose little problem, and these local SWAT-happy badge-polishers with all their DHS money (and customized T-shirt uniforms) are now chafing at the leash to try out those MP-5s and other toys for helping make someone's day. (Something to do while you're waiting to finish off a wandering possum in town, or maybe a wounded deer. We haven't had a cop shot much less killed in decades.)

Will the city folk come out to the country? Yes. And we will bury all looters, regardless of status. They'll try something else after word gets around, and it will. Here there be Gun Owners, not Victims.

That's just it, most people outside the city have several days of provisions, including suburbs, it is the city dweller that is at the mercy of the grid for their existence, from power and water, to food.
Most inner city people live at the corner takeout, so when all Hell breaks loose, they will have but one day of supplies.
Rioting, mayhem and murder would be the order of the day, and many would quickly kill each other off in the first month.

Of course this is all a worst case scenario, but assuming it happened, they would start to venture out into the rural areas, and in my case, would be quickly eradicated,  seeing how city dwellers stand out like a Monster truck at a tricycle race.

Rural dwellers tend to network, seeing how most of us depend on each other, from a broken tractor to a wildfire erupting, we work together.
City people? Not in the least.

Quote from: AmericanFlyer on October 22, 2010, 09:01:31 AM
OK, I give up.  Go ahead and insult me with "Mad Max" references.  People who don't get it will be the ones to suffer in the end.  You accuse me of having an "all or nothing" attitude, when in fact it is YOU who has an all or nothing attitude.

Remember that ONE attack on U.S. soil, that brought down a few buildings in ONE U.S. city and killed 3,000 people, crippled the airline industry, damaged the U.S. stock market, and caused the expenditure of BILLIONS, probably TRILLIONS, of dollars in taxpayer money to "protect" the citizenry via two wars, the creation of a new cabinet-level department with thousands of employees, increased security around the country, etc., etc., etc.

Imagine if a MASSIVE terrorist attack occurred in this country, where multiple cities are targeted and tens of thousands of people are killed.  What do you suppose would happen to the U.S. economy then?

Do you REALLY think the tens of millions of people who live in the big cities are going to sit around and just die when they run out of food and water?  Do you REALLY believe that the federal government is going to come to the rescue of ANYBODY?  Do you REALLY believe that law enforcement and the U.S. military are going to keep and restore order in our society, when they have their own families to take care of and keep safe?  Do you REALLY believe that the U.S. military is going to give a shit about what is going on in U.S. cities when they have much bigger fish to fry, like repelling foreign enemies who might decide that conquering the United States when it is down is a good idea? 

You all go ahead and have your "fun" with me.  Those of you who don't know what is REALLY going on in this country, and live in some "we are bulletproof because we are Americans" world, are putting yourselves and your loved ones in grave danger.

I'll do what I believe is best for my family and loved ones.  You all do whatever it is you decide to do.

I hope you'll remember me when the power goes out and I run out of coffee.

Quote from: AmericanFlyer on October 22, 2010, 09:01:31 AM
OK, I give up.  Go ahead and insult me with "Mad Max" references.  People who don't get it will be the ones to suffer in the end.  You accuse me of having an "all or nothing" attitude, when in fact it is YOU who has an all or nothing attitude.

Remember that ONE attack on U.S. soil, that brought down a few buildings in ONE U.S. city and killed 3,000 people, crippled the airline industry, damaged the U.S. stock market, and caused the expenditure of BILLIONS, probably TRILLIONS, of dollars in taxpayer money to "protect" the citizenry via two wars, the creation of a new cabinet-level department with thousands of employees, increased security around the country, etc., etc., etc.

Imagine if a MASSIVE terrorist attack occurred in this country, where multiple cities are targeted and tens of thousands of people are killed.  What do you suppose would happen to the U.S. economy then?

Do you REALLY think the tens of millions of people who live in the big cities are going to sit around and just die when they run out of food and water?  Do you REALLY believe that the federal government is going to come to the rescue of ANYBODY?  Do you REALLY believe that law enforcement and the U.S. military are going to keep and restore order in our society, when they have their own families to take care of and keep safe?  Do you REALLY believe that the U.S. military is going to give a shit about what is going on in U.S. cities when they have much bigger fish to fry, like repelling foreign enemies who might decide that conquering the United States when it is down is a good idea? 

You all go ahead and have your "fun" with me.  Those of you who don't know what is REALLY going on in this country, and live in some "we are bulletproof because we are Americans" world, are putting yourselves and your loved ones in grave danger.

I'll do what I believe is best for my family and loved ones.  You all do whatever it is you decide to do.

No one is making fun of you.
But the fact that you are virtually alone in your thinking, (maybe 5% of the population)?
Should tell you about the American spirit, and I can only assume you've never been in the Military, because those of us that volunteered and took the oath, took it seriously.
We also know that our fellow soldiers will be protecting our families, and have no need to worry, because they know I will be watching theirs as well.

But you focused on the Gov taking over the 911 situation, I didn't see troops on the street, I didn't see the rioting you describe as inevitable, did you?
You also give too much credit to our enemies, to destroy a city with a nuke, let alone more than one, is quite a feat.

But now you're using worst case scenario, this would be all out war, a far-cry from your idea that civilization will collapse because our deficit is too high.
You can't have it both ways, which is it, all out war with our enemies, or the collapse of our society over higher deficit and taxes?
I would see an overthrow of Gov long before we let the latter succeed.

My POINT is that there are SEVERAL scenarios that could happen, that could cause civil unrest, mayhem, and the crippling or collapse of our economy.  Take your pick.  Maybe a combination of more than one scenario, perhaps?  None of us knows for sure.

I prefer to err on the side of caution, and prepare accordingly.  I sincerely hope that I am completely WRONG about what I believe is going to happen to this country.  Believe me, I am not at all happy about spending the money I have spent to prepare for what I believe is going to happen, based on all of the research and knowledge I have acquired and have been sharing with everybody. 

Quiller, you know how it is around Detroit and the "less than desirable" suburbs, and you obviously are in a safe location, far enough away from the city and major roads.  I am in the same "boat" you are in.  We live on 98 acres, most of which is heavily wooded and mountainous, in a VERY rural area.  The nearest interstate highway is 75 miles away.  The nearest "city" (population under 100K) is 50 miles away.  On our country road, we have relatives down the road on both sides of us, all of which are lifelong hunters and outdoorsmen.  We are prepared to live completely off-the-grid IMMEDIATELY.

My family has NOTHING to worry about.  We are as ready as we can be for whatever happens, and we have many friends who have "contingency" plans in place also.

I am just trying to offer the good people in this forum some advice and share my knowledge and expertise with those who are interested.  It's as simple as that.

Quiller, if you run out of coffee, you are welcome at our homestead any time.

 

Quote from: AmericanFlyer on October 22, 2010, 10:33:39 AM
My POINT is that there are SEVERAL scenarios that could happen, that could cause civil unrest, mayhem, and the crippling or collapse of our economy.  Take your pick.  Maybe a combination of more than one scenario, perhaps?  None of us knows for sure.

I prefer to err on the side of caution, and prepare accordingly.  I sincerely hope that I am completely WRONG about what I believe is going to happen to this country.  Believe me, I am not at all happy about spending the money I have spent to prepare for what I believe is going to happen, based on all of the research and knowledge I have acquired and have been sharing with everybody. 

Quiller, you know how it is around Detroit and the "less than desirable" suburbs, and you obviously are in a safe location, far enough away from the city and major roads.  I am in the same "boat" you are in.  We live on 98 acres, most of which is heavily wooded and mountainous, in a VERY rural area.  The nearest interstate highway is 75 miles away.  The nearest "city" (population under 100K) is 50 miles away.  On our country road, we have relatives down the road on both sides of us, all of which are lifelong hunters and outdoorsmen.  We are prepared to live completely off-the-grid IMMEDIATELY.

My family has NOTHING to worry about.  We are as ready as we can be for whatever happens, and we have many friends who have "contingency" plans in place also.

I am just trying to offer the good people in this forum some advice and share my knowledge and expertise with those who are interested.  It's as simple as that.

Quiller, if you run out of coffee, you are welcome at our homestead any time.

I hear ya, and we could have a meteorite hit tomorrow, and like you, am prepared, I will just have to cut back on things we import, like quiller mentioned, coffee and that one will hurt the most, oh that and cigars.
But beyond that we are set and can function quite well without any help or need of grocery stores.

It's kind of funny, just 100 short years ago, 90% of the US was self sustaining, and in just a short time, and not by coincidence we have been moving toward socialism on a parallel course.
People have become more and more dependent on gov and all it offers, and obviously with a price, a price of freedom.
Most cities have laws against growing gardens on your own property, or live stock, making it even harder to prepare for a catastrophe.

Well, Solar, I ain't seein' any OPTIMISTS around here offerin' any free coffee.....    ::) ;)

I left out the number of cops in my area. Per capita, we're almost as safe as the State Police HQ up in Lansing. That and our gun stores---where if you see fewer than 10 cars in the lot, it's because the place just closed. And our shooting ranges. The sportsmen's clubs, too. (There's even one on Moon Road just south of where it becomes Ann Arbor's major State Street city entrance route.)

Ann Arbor is directly adjacent to crime-ridden Ypsilanti (which treats the region as their stop-and-rob, judging by addresses posted for those arrested out our way who did NOT get shot in a hold-up). Two different union people I know call it "Ypsi-Harlem." (Go figure.)

Stop the Robberies. Enjoy Safe Streets. Don't elect a Democrat.

Quote from: Solar on October 22, 2010, 07:02:22 AM
Preparing for the end of times is by far different that a week of disruptions.
Fallout shelter, radiation suit, freeze dried food for ten years of sustenance....etc
There is no end to preparations, I have enough to sustain ST and myself for a lifetime, but the quality will be a mere shadow of what were used to.

Point is, whatever happens, it will not effect more than 1% of the population, it will just seem like more, thanks to the media hyping it and bringing it close to home with 24 hour coverage.
The best preparation a man can do is to get the Hell out of the city. 

But I just don't see where all this prophecy of the end times is coming from.
We have a Marxist in the WH and suddenly people are talking of the Nation collapsing?

Man has been predicting the end of times since long before the written word, I highly doubt we could be so fortunate as to see God show up and smite us all.

Which is why I love and adore you so much.  :) :) :-*

You got to face facts, WE NO LONGER ENFORCE THE LAWS MEANT TO PROTECT US, they are trying to socially change everything and everyone. Look at what they are doing to the Military and police? inundating it with homos, illegal aliens, (you have heard about the move to allow illegals in the military right?).

They are putting people in charge who will have a chip on their should and no qualms about arresting or killing an ordinary citizen because some socialist moneky says they should.

Look at how they view the Tea part and Fox news as Terrorists? While thereal terrorists are allowed to wreck havioc ont he border.

Nothing is gonna be solved in November by a house and senate sweep. The damage is done, you got to have a radical swing to the right and get rid of these people one way or another, other wise, like a recurring genital rash they are gonna keep coming back and coming back to bother you.

We have two paths, one is submission and subjegation, the other to some type of balkanization, both are gonna involve bloodshed.


Billy