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Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2018, 07:55:09 PM »
Assuming Kim wants to free his people. If he opens his borders he loses his control.
But if there is a sudden influx of trade and chance to make money, they'll stay to support their families.
Think about it, all of a sudden families that have been separated for decades can once again meet, so why leave? It's their home, as screwed up as it is, if they see change, they'll embrace it.
Even a few dollars more a month would be considered rich in the NK.

We'll have to wait and see, but this time things are different, and if China truly let Kim off the leash and he can bring prosperity to NK? He'll be seen as a God by his people.
Hell, they're already forced to worship him, but to have that be real? he'd jump at the chance.

Trump has accomplished something short of a miracle, and the M/E is next?
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Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2018, 12:26:34 AM »
But if there is a sudden influx of trade and chance to make money, they'll stay to support their families.
Think about it, all of a sudden families that have been separated for decades can once again meet, so why leave? It's their home, as screwed up as it is, if they see change, they'll embrace it.
Even a few dollars more a month would be considered rich in the NK.

We'll have to wait and see, but this time things are different, and if China truly let Kim off the leash and he can bring prosperity to NK? He'll be seen as a God by his people.
Hell, they're already forced to worship him, but to have that be real? he'd jump at the chance.

Trump has accomplished something short of a miracle, and the M/E is next?

His people have literally been reduced to eating grass to survive. Open the borders and they have nothing to lose. China will be overrun.

Either way Trump has put money and security on the table. My feeling is Kim Jong Un is more worried about invasion. Yet, he couldn't afford to fly to Singapore. So you might be right in a lot of ways. After years of snuggling up to Iran and Russia the pudgy kid who looks like he has not mastered puberty has nukes but when meeting with other foreign leaders he knows he's rather pathetic.

I'm very skeptical but Trump the real estate mogul talking to a potential client....


We live in interesting times. Trump cruising Asia with Kim looking for girls, Walkstall setting the Pacific Northwest on fire because of his " Walkstall Really Big Liberal Thursday Bonfire"....

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Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2018, 02:43:50 AM »
His people have literally been reduced to eating grass to survive. Open the borders and they have nothing to lose. China will be overrun.

Either way Trump has put money and security on the table. My feeling is Kim Jong Un is more worried about invasion. Yet, he couldn't afford to fly to Singapore. So you might be right in a lot of ways. After years of snuggling up to Iran and Russia the pudgy kid who looks like he has not mastered puberty has nukes but when meeting with other foreign leaders he knows he's rather pathetic.

I'm very skeptical but Trump the real estate mogul talking to a potential client....


We live in interesting times. Trump cruising Asia with Kim looking for girls, Walkstall setting the Pacific Northwest on fire because of his " Walkstall Really Big Liberal Thursday Bonfire"....
one other option, Kim could also be working out the best deal for now and will wait for six more years for Trump to leave office. My outrageous guess, Kim sees the rare chance to go down in the history books as the leader who brought N.K. into the 21 century. I dont think he has the complete evil of his predecessors, I think there is enough evil to stay in power and keep the borders closed for now, but not to be satisfied to watch the people starve to death. He has not given up anything yet, his nuclear weapons are not ready for war, he still needs testing and refinements, and he no longer has any way to test or to rebuild a testing facility. He dares not send up another rocket. What he had to negotiate with was pretty much gone before he sat down to talk. President Trump is negotiating for the future, and to send a message, the left can not see this.

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Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2018, 04:36:38 AM »
This is going to be interesting. I don't have a lot of hope because of North Korea's history in these situations. However Trump gave away nothing and the crippling sanctions are still in effect as is military action. Aside from that Jim Jong Un seems to understand what we are capable of and the western world much better than his father. His father was focused on hand outs but his son seems more concerned with security.

" However Trump gave away nothing However Trump gave away nothing"

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Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2018, 05:53:16 AM »
His people have literally been reduced to eating grass to survive. Open the borders and they have nothing to lose. China will be overrun.

Either way Trump has put money and security on the table. My feeling is Kim Jong Un is more worried about invasion. Yet, he couldn't afford to fly to Singapore. So you might be right in a lot of ways. After years of snuggling up to Iran and Russia the pudgy kid who looks like he has not mastered puberty has nukes but when meeting with other foreign leaders he knows he's rather pathetic.

I'm very skeptical but Trump the real estate mogul talking to a potential client....


We live in interesting times. Trump cruising Asia with Kim looking for girls, Walkstall setting the Pacific Northwest on fire because of his " Walkstall Really Big Liberal Thursday Bonfire"....
That pretty much is how it looks on a superficial level that the media paints, and that's how we've all been told to see this, a tiny little country with sooo much power without help from anyone? Either the media is willfully lying or simply stupid in their portrayal of NK, but that is not the reality of this situation.
The powers that be, want you basing all of this on the idea that Kim has ever had a say in any of this, when he has not. He is a puppet.
China has always pulled the strings where NK is concerned, and Trump comes along and changes up the entire world stage, not just the M/E and Asia, but he has the entire world quietly accepting his proposals while isolating the instigators.

Whether he has offered more or better carrots to China vs a huge ass stick, it'll be a long time before we know how he pulled it all off.
But whatever he did, he got China to relinquish its death grip over NK, and I think even China was half willing to let it go because it had become too hot of a focal point on the world stage, thanks to Trump in how he played it. It truly was masterful, everyone thought there was going to be war.
China didn't like all that focus on their affairs and how they were keeping a poor country and forcing people to starve for the sole benefit of keeping a buffer between them and the West which they really no longer need, and yes, despite the media painting this as solely between the US and NK, the world was watching and knew China had the last and final word in the outcome.

I honestly believe the entire NK debacle is over. I believe China knew they weren't in a position to bargain, that Trump held all the cards to their world trade, and whatever he presented, was a far better outcome to the status quo.
The M/E is next. We are watching history in the making, a history people will be talking about a thousand years from now in awe.

Here's a short article you might find interesting and give you a different perspective on what has changed in NK since the 90s.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44164948
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