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Title: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Solar on June 12, 2018, 07:12:28 AM
President Donald Trump opens up about historic summit in exclusive interview
North Korea will denuclearize, President Trump declared in an exclusive interview with ABC News chief anchor George Stephanopoulos just hours after intense and historic negotiations with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

Exclusive interview 13 minutes.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/exclusive-trust-trump-opens-kim-historic-summit/story?id=55815265
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: supsalemgr on June 12, 2018, 07:52:52 AM
Quote from: Solar on June 12, 2018, 07:12:28 AM
President Donald Trump opens up about historic summit in exclusive interview
North Korea will denuclearize, President Trump declared in an exclusive interview with ABC News chief anchor George Stephanopoulos just hours after intense and historic negotiations with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

Exclusive interview 13 minutes.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/exclusive-trust-trump-opens-kim-historic-summit/story?id=55815265

Listening to the pundits this morning the left is once again showing their hypocrisy. The same people who embraced Obama's coddling of Cuba and applauding Obama's willingness to sit down with Iran and NK are complaining about Trump's meeting. Once again, do leftists do not understand there is such a thing as videotape.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Billy's bayonet on June 12, 2018, 08:06:29 AM
As I have said, the Left will do anything to monkey wrench this "deal". All it is is a peice of paper, so far, lot of way to go before anything meaningful can happen. The process is VERY DELICATE, and best for the Nay sayers to keep their mouth shut and stop making noise otherwise things could fall apart. That is what the left wants right now, they want Trump to Fail so they can jump around ike Hyeena's and ridicule him.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Solar on June 12, 2018, 09:18:14 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on June 12, 2018, 07:52:52 AM
Listening to the pundits this morning the left is once again showing their hypocrisy. The same people who embraced Obama's coddling of Cuba and applauding Obama's willingness to sit down with Iran and NK are complaining about Trump's meeting. Once again, do leftists do not understand there is such a thing as videotape.
Yep. If I were to do this as an LSM Game Show, I'd start the event off with "LetThe Hypocrisy Games Begin". A little showmanship.

It would play like a live Survivalist game show, the Right has a commonsense/critical thinking card, while the left has the Whole Media card.
The game is tough, the Right starts off with an advantage, they have truth on their side. The left starts out horribly and getting caught lying immediately, and now the left is constantly sacrificing other leftist players in hopes of staying relevant (cardboard bus passes by on stage as the leftist players are tossed under), all done, just to stay in the running and throwing out half-truths and opinion pieces to slow their loss.
They maintain position by producing out of context quotes but wind up getting penalized for using WIKI bull shit and Snope lies and spin.

Trump demands the evidence be shown, but the so-called fact checkers (Candy Crowley Holds blank paper) claims the evidence can't be produced, so the leftist judges give the win to the left column.
Tension builds.
Trump, in an amazing, and calculated play, blows the audience away with an amazing move. He declassifies the material with an EO card, exposes the leftist narrative (Bus rolls over what is left of the leftist team) and Trump wins the game.

The crowd goes wild!!! :thumbsup: :biggrin:
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: T Hunt on June 12, 2018, 10:15:58 AM
Quote from: Solar on June 12, 2018, 09:18:14 AM
Yep. If I were to do this as an LSM Game Show, I'd start the event off with "LetThe Hypocrisy Games Begin". A little showmanship.

It would play like a live Survivalist game show, the Right has a commonsense/critical thinking card, while the left has the Whole Media card.
The game is tough, the Right starts off with an advantage, they have truth on their side. The left starts out horribly and getting caught lying immediately, and now the left is constantly sacrificing other leftist players in hopes of staying relevant (cardboard bus passes by on stage as the leftist players are tossed under), all done, just to stay in the running and throwing out half-truths and opinion pieces to slow their loss.
They maintain position by producing out of context quotes but wind up getting penalized for using WIKI bull shit and Snope lies and spin.

Trump demands the evidence be shown, but the so-called fact checkers (Candy Crowley Holds blank paper) claims the evidence can't be produced, so the leftist judges give the win to the left column.
Tension builds.
Trump, in an amazing, and calculated play, blows the audience away with an amazing move. He declassifies the material with an EO card, exposes the leftist narrative (Bus rolls over what is left of the leftist team) and Trump wins the game.

The crowd goes wild!!! :thumbsup: :biggrin:

Can we make it like The Hunger Games? A bunch of leftist running around killing each other to stay alive.
Or better yet put the LSM is a SAW type situtation, where they have to cut out their own tounge if the wanna live... (or worse, they have to admit trump is right!)
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Solar on June 12, 2018, 10:23:30 AM
Quote from: T Hunt on June 12, 2018, 10:15:58 AM
Can we make it like The Hunger Games? A bunch of leftist running around killing each other to stay alive.
Or better yet put the LSM is a SAW type situtation, where they have to cut out their own tounge if the wanna live... (or worse, they have to admit trump is right!)
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Caligula reborn.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Bronx on June 12, 2018, 12:11:06 PM
How many liberal heads will be exploding today if Kim Un when into that meeting with President Trump in an Asian style suit and came out smiling with a western style suit with a red power tie.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Walter Josh on June 12, 2018, 02:25:22 PM
Singapore offers the potential to transform international Geo-politics and Trade.
As such, the frenzied contempt in the media is predictable for a simple reason.
It's an upheaval to the status quo and as such, a mortal threat to the power
of the scumbags who infest the Establishment.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: taxed on June 12, 2018, 07:36:39 PM
The majority of the country are watching how the MSM/libs react to this.  This is just more ammo that will be used against the Dems.

I also get a very strong feeling that Kim is feeling like he is being freed and has been wanting this.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Walter Josh on June 13, 2018, 12:09:43 PM
An extended reflection on the media uproar over Singapore.
Q. What is going on?
A. The real possibility that we are at the nexus of transformational change.
Consider those who set the political tone in 1918; Wilson in the US, 
Lloyd George in the UK, Clemenceau in France, Bethmann Holweg
in Germany and Count Witte in Russia; among many.
These compulsive losers set the table for the subsequent 100 years,
arguably the most disastrous in the history of Mankind.
And in setting that table, they created a self-absorbed Establishment
that has been the instrument of governance throughout the world,
whether it be Congress or Commons.
So how did that governance benefit the common man???
Was that not the catalyst for the Trump phenomenon, the core reason
for his appeal and the driver behind their frenzied contempt for him.
The smell change in the air has made them unhinged!!!

Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Sick Of Silence on June 13, 2018, 12:17:51 PM
Quote from: Bronx on June 12, 2018, 12:11:06 PM
How many liberal heads will be exploding today if Kim Un when into that meeting with President Trump in an Asian style suit and came out smiling with a western style suit with a red power tie.

Somebody needs to Photoshop it so Liberals will have a conniption like the wrestling gif.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: LegalAmerican on June 13, 2018, 04:21:43 PM
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on June 12, 2018, 08:06:29 AM
As I have said, the Left will do anything to monkey wrench this "deal". All it is is a peice of paper, so far, lot of way to go before anything meaningful can happen. The process is VERY DELICATE, and best for the Nay sayers to keep their mouth shut and stop making noise otherwise things could fall apart. That is what the left wants right now, they want Trump to Fail so they can jump around ike Hyeena's and ridicule him.


I Agee with you.

As long as Americans know the truth,,,what is the problem?    No nuclear war. PRAISE GOD.

They want the PRESIDENT to 'ATTACK", BAD MOUTH KIM,,,THEN EXPECT,  'GOOD RESULTS" !  lol

HONEY, NOT VINEGAR.  DIPLOMACY.  More proof, the LEFT IS INSANE.  BACKWARDS, ALWAYS.

  How many years, decades, North Korea HAS HAD DICTATOR?  DOING ALL THE HUMAN ATROCITIES,  BUT THEY HAD NO BAD WORDS FOR CLINTON, OR 8 years w/ OBAMA,,,WHO GOT US INTO THIS.

People have been treated badly for DECADES,,,,now it is a LEFT ISSUE?

WHAT ABOUT MUSLIM COUNTRY'S,,,WHO COMMIT HUMAN ATROCITIES, THE SAME WAY , MUSLIM BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, WAS IN CHARGE FOR 8 YEARS.  NOT A PEEP OUT OF THESE INSANE LEFTS.

2018,,,atrocities going on this minute !  Ok. LEFTS,,START BAD MOUTH OBAMA, WHO STOPPED NOTHING FOR 8 YEARS, IN MUSLIM COUNTRY"S.  IN FACT, HE CREATED ISIS.    SLAVERY STILL GOING ON IN MUSLIM STATES.  I want the LEFT TO MOVE TO ONE OF THE 57 MUSLIM STATES.


Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Cryptic Bert on June 13, 2018, 06:00:42 PM
This is going to be interesting. I don't have a lot of hope because of North Korea's history in these situations. However Trump gave away nothing and the crippling sanctions are still in effect as is military action. Aside from that Jim Jong Un seems to understand what we are capable of and the western world much better than his father. His father was focused on hand outs but his son seems more concerned with security.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Solar on June 13, 2018, 06:53:40 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on June 13, 2018, 06:00:42 PM
This is going to be interesting. I don't have a lot of hope because of North Korea's history in these situations. However Trump gave away nothing and the crippling sanctions are still in effect as is military action. Aside from that Jim Jong Un seems to understand what we are capable of and the western world much better than his father. His father was focused on hand outs but his son seems more concerned with security.
If Trump convinced Xi to let NK go free, Kim is looking forward to being the savior of NK and bringing in trade that would feed the people.
Whatever Trump did, he scared the shit out of the Chinese.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Cryptic Bert on June 13, 2018, 06:56:39 PM
Quote from: Solar on June 13, 2018, 06:53:40 PM
If Trump convinced Xi to let NK go free, Kim is looking forward to being the savior of NK and bringing in trade that would feed the people.
Whatever Trump did, he scared the shit out of the Chinese.

Assuming Kim wants to free his people. If he opens his borders he loses his control.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Solar on June 13, 2018, 07:55:09 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on June 13, 2018, 06:56:39 PM
Assuming Kim wants to free his people. If he opens his borders he loses his control.
But if there is a sudden influx of trade and chance to make money, they'll stay to support their families.
Think about it, all of a sudden families that have been separated for decades can once again meet, so why leave? It's their home, as screwed up as it is, if they see change, they'll embrace it.
Even a few dollars more a month would be considered rich in the NK.

We'll have to wait and see, but this time things are different, and if China truly let Kim off the leash and he can bring prosperity to NK? He'll be seen as a God by his people.
Hell, they're already forced to worship him, but to have that be real? he'd jump at the chance.

Trump has accomplished something short of a miracle, and the M/E is next?
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Cryptic Bert on June 14, 2018, 12:26:34 AM
Quote from: Solar on June 13, 2018, 07:55:09 PM
But if there is a sudden influx of trade and chance to make money, they'll stay to support their families.
Think about it, all of a sudden families that have been separated for decades can once again meet, so why leave? It's their home, as screwed up as it is, if they see change, they'll embrace it.
Even a few dollars more a month would be considered rich in the NK.

We'll have to wait and see, but this time things are different, and if China truly let Kim off the leash and he can bring prosperity to NK? He'll be seen as a God by his people.
Hell, they're already forced to worship him, but to have that be real? he'd jump at the chance.

Trump has accomplished something short of a miracle, and the M/E is next?

His people have literally been reduced to eating grass to survive. Open the borders and they have nothing to lose. China will be overrun.

Either way Trump has put money and security on the table. My feeling is Kim Jong Un is more worried about invasion. Yet, he couldn't afford to fly to Singapore. So you might be right in a lot of ways. After years of snuggling up to Iran and Russia the pudgy kid who looks like he has not mastered puberty has nukes but when meeting with other foreign leaders he knows he's rather pathetic.

I'm very skeptical but Trump the real estate mogul talking to a potential client....


We live in interesting times. Trump cruising Asia with Kim looking for girls, Walkstall setting the Pacific Northwest on fire because of his " Walkstall Really Big Liberal Thursday Bonfire"....
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Possum on June 14, 2018, 02:43:50 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on June 14, 2018, 12:26:34 AM
His people have literally been reduced to eating grass to survive. Open the borders and they have nothing to lose. China will be overrun.

Either way Trump has put money and security on the table. My feeling is Kim Jong Un is more worried about invasion. Yet, he couldn't afford to fly to Singapore. So you might be right in a lot of ways. After years of snuggling up to Iran and Russia the pudgy kid who looks like he has not mastered puberty has nukes but when meeting with other foreign leaders he knows he's rather pathetic.

I'm very skeptical but Trump the real estate mogul talking to a potential client....


We live in interesting times. Trump cruising Asia with Kim looking for girls, Walkstall setting the Pacific Northwest on fire because of his " Walkstall Really Big Liberal Thursday Bonfire"....
one other option, Kim could also be working out the best deal for now and will wait for six more years for Trump to leave office. My outrageous guess, Kim sees the rare chance to go down in the history books as the leader who brought N.K. into the 21 century. I dont think he has the complete evil of his predecessors, I think there is enough evil to stay in power and keep the borders closed for now, but not to be satisfied to watch the people starve to death. He has not given up anything yet, his nuclear weapons are not ready for war, he still needs testing and refinements, and he no longer has any way to test or to rebuild a testing facility. He dares not send up another rocket. What he had to negotiate with was pretty much gone before he sat down to talk. President Trump is negotiating for the future, and to send a message, the left can not see this.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: supsalemgr on June 14, 2018, 04:36:38 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on June 13, 2018, 06:00:42 PM
This is going to be interesting. I don't have a lot of hope because of North Korea's history in these situations. However Trump gave away nothing and the crippling sanctions are still in effect as is military action. Aside from that Jim Jong Un seems to understand what we are capable of and the western world much better than his father. His father was focused on hand outs but his son seems more concerned with security.

" However Trump gave away nothing However Trump gave away nothing"

Oh Boo, I have to disagree. I heard Chuckie complaining that Trump gave up a lot, such as having the meeting and the flags of both counties together.  :smile:

Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Solar on June 14, 2018, 05:53:16 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on June 14, 2018, 12:26:34 AM
His people have literally been reduced to eating grass to survive. Open the borders and they have nothing to lose. China will be overrun.

Either way Trump has put money and security on the table. My feeling is Kim Jong Un is more worried about invasion. Yet, he couldn't afford to fly to Singapore. So you might be right in a lot of ways. After years of snuggling up to Iran and Russia the pudgy kid who looks like he has not mastered puberty has nukes but when meeting with other foreign leaders he knows he's rather pathetic.

I'm very skeptical but Trump the real estate mogul talking to a potential client....


We live in interesting times. Trump cruising Asia with Kim looking for girls, Walkstall setting the Pacific Northwest on fire because of his " Walkstall Really Big Liberal Thursday Bonfire"....
That pretty much is how it looks on a superficial level that the media paints, and that's how we've all been told to see this, a tiny little country with sooo much power without help from anyone? Either the media is willfully lying or simply stupid in their portrayal of NK, but that is not the reality of this situation.
The powers that be, want you basing all of this on the idea that Kim has ever had a say in any of this, when he has not. He is a puppet.
China has always pulled the strings where NK is concerned, and Trump comes along and changes up the entire world stage, not just the M/E and Asia, but he has the entire world quietly accepting his proposals while isolating the instigators.

Whether he has offered more or better carrots to China vs a huge ass stick, it'll be a long time before we know how he pulled it all off.
But whatever he did, he got China to relinquish its death grip over NK, and I think even China was half willing to let it go because it had become too hot of a focal point on the world stage, thanks to Trump in how he played it. It truly was masterful, everyone thought there was going to be war.
China didn't like all that focus on their affairs and how they were keeping a poor country and forcing people to starve for the sole benefit of keeping a buffer between them and the West which they really no longer need, and yes, despite the media painting this as solely between the US and NK, the world was watching and knew China had the last and final word in the outcome.

I honestly believe the entire NK debacle is over. I believe China knew they weren't in a position to bargain, that Trump held all the cards to their world trade, and whatever he presented, was a far better outcome to the status quo.
The M/E is next. We are watching history in the making, a history people will be talking about a thousand years from now in awe.

Here's a short article you might find interesting and give you a different perspective on what has changed in NK since the 90s.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44164948
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Cadescove on June 27, 2018, 05:12:03 PM
North Korean nuclear site upgraded, despite vow at summit (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/north-korean-nuclear-site-upgraded-despite-vow-at-summit-2018-06-27?siteid=rss&rss=1)

Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Cryptic Bert on June 27, 2018, 05:28:38 PM
Trump's next move should be interesting.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Solar on June 27, 2018, 05:48:02 PM
Quote from: Cadescove on June 27, 2018, 05:12:03 PM
North Korean nuclear site upgraded, despite vow at summit (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/north-korean-nuclear-site-upgraded-despite-vow-at-summit-2018-06-27?siteid=rss&rss=1)
That's an awful lot of assumption considering they can only see the outside and above.
Can you find a better link with more explanation?
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Cadescove on July 07, 2018, 08:43:42 AM
Quote from: Solar on June 27, 2018, 05:48:02 PM
That's an awful lot of assumption considering they can only see the outside and above.
Can you find a better link with more explanation?

Guess a better link is not needed at this point.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Cadescove on July 07, 2018, 08:46:45 AM
North Korea says talks with Pompeo were 'regrettable'  (http://apnews.com/805d302b95704d2e8644f28876ac1be8/North-Korea-says-talks-with-Pompeo-were-'regrettable')

Are we safer yet?
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: supsalemgr on July 07, 2018, 08:59:31 AM
Quote from: Cadescove on July 07, 2018, 08:46:45 AM
North Korea says talks with Pompeo were 'regrettable'  (http://apnews.com/805d302b95704d2e8644f28876ac1be8/North-Korea-says-talks-with-Pompeo-were-'regrettable')

Are we safer yet?

A better question would be are we less safe?

From the article a NK quote:

"Our expectations and hopes were so naive it could be called foolish."

Translated: Trump did not buy our bulls--t.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Solar on July 07, 2018, 09:07:29 AM
Quote from: Cadescove on July 07, 2018, 08:46:45 AM
North Korea says talks with Pompeo were 'regrettable'  (http://apnews.com/805d302b95704d2e8644f28876ac1be8/North-Korea-says-talks-with-Pompeo-were-'regrettable')

Are we safer yet?
Cut the crap! I asked you to show me verified reporting of another leftist hit piece you posted and you ran away.
Now you post this piece of shit, and either didn't even read it, or swallowed this shit whole.

"The North provided a much harsher assessment of the talks. In a statement released by an unnamed Foreign Ministry spokesman,"

In other words, they made it up!!!
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Cadescove on July 07, 2018, 09:10:09 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 07, 2018, 08:59:31 AM
A better question would be are we less safe?

From the article a NK quote:

"Our expectations and hopes were so naive it could be called foolish."

Translated: Trump did not buy our bulls--t.

Quote
Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
Jun 13
Just landed - a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea. Meeting with Kim Jong Un was an interesting and very positive experience. North Korea has great potential for the future!

Guess he didn't believe himself.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Solar on July 07, 2018, 09:14:51 AM
Quote from: Cadescove on July 07, 2018, 09:10:09 AM
Guess he didn't believe himself.
All you've posted are leftist hate pieces designed to disrupt talks with NK. Why is it you libs can't accept the fact that Trump is actually bringing peace around the world without firing a shot?
Reagen killed the USSR the very same way, it's a proven recipe for success, deal with it and quit posting leftist opinion pieces!
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Cadescove on July 07, 2018, 09:15:18 AM
Quote from: Solar on July 07, 2018, 09:07:29 AM
Cut the crap! I asked you to show me verified reporting of another leftist hit piece you posted and you ran away.
Now you post this piece of shit, and either didn't even read it, or swallowed this shit whole.

"The North provided a much harsher assessment of the talks. In a statement released by an unnamed Foreign Ministry spokesman,"

In other words, they made it up!!!you

QuoteWhile Pompeo offered a relatively positive assessment of his meetings, North Korea's Foreign Ministry said in a statement that the U.S. betrayed the spirit of last month's summit between President Donald Trump and Kim by making "unilateral and gangster-like" demands on "CVID," or the complete, verifiable and irreversible denuclearization of North Korea.

Quote"We had expected that the U.S. side would offer constructive measures that would help build trust based on the spirit of the leaders' summit ... we were also thinking about providing reciprocal measures," said the statement, released by an unnamed spokesman and carried by the North's official Korean Central News Agency.

Huh?
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Solar on July 07, 2018, 09:55:48 AM
Quote from: Cadescove on July 07, 2018, 09:15:18 AM
Huh?
Do you have reading comprrehension issues?

"said the statement, released by an unnamed spokesman and carried by the North's official Korean Central News Agency."

So who really said it? Their media? Sounds a lot like what the left passes of as sources here. In other words, without an actual source, it's a blatant lie!
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Cadescove on July 07, 2018, 09:59:26 AM
Quote from: Solar on July 07, 2018, 09:55:48 AM
Do you have reading comprrehension issues?

"said the statement, released by an unnamed spokesman and carried by the North's official Korean Central News Agency."

So who really said it? Their media? Sounds a lot like what the left passes of as sources here. In other words, without an actual source, it's a blatant lie!

Because North Korea's official Korean News Agency often puts out statements that aren't officially sanctioned? 😳
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Solar on July 07, 2018, 11:04:56 AM
Quote from: Cadescove on July 07, 2018, 09:59:26 AM
Because North Korea's official Korean News Agency often puts out statements that aren't officially sanctioned? 😳
Yep! It's the propaganda agency of the commie party, and by not naming a source is their way of claiming at a later date, that the individual was not authorized to speak on behalf of the leadership, in turn, distancing themselves from the comment.

This is just more of the game of chess being played on both sides.
Media lies for a living, that's what their job is anymore, they're selling a product, so learn to read between the lines, or look for better sources.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Walter Josh on July 07, 2018, 05:43:32 PM
Trump, unlike the clown posse that preceded him (Clinton, Bush, Obama)
is dealing seriously w/severe issues such as NK, our chronic and dangerous
trade imbalances as well as our highly taxed and over regulated economy;
despite the aggressive opposition of democrats plus the rino scumbags.
At the very least Trump deserves applause for his focus and effort, rather
than ignorant bitching from illiterate cranks and malcontents
As for NK, it is simply another backward Asian nation addicted to the curse
of totalitarianism; along w/China, Indo-China, Thailand, Burma, Pakistan,
Indonesia; among several. India, Japan and Singapore escaped this curse,
thanks largely to Great Britain.
The commentary about Pompeo is predictable and gives the media something
negative to yap about; otherwise they'd simply have to make it up.
The essence of the NK problem is not Kim; rather it's the NK Military who
consciously grasp that their power and prestige will evaporate if and when
they de-nuclearize. We will have to face up to this reality and deal w/it.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Cryptic Bert on July 07, 2018, 06:56:40 PM
Here's my two penneth. Every time North Kore mouths off or there is a setback the left (there is no liberal democrats or moderate democrats anymore) will attack. They would do this anyway but Trump made it a bit easier by all but proclaiming victory and complimenting Kim Jong Un in Singapore. But that is Trump. When he wants something from you he blows smoke up your skirt. That is how negotiates. If he was president in 1945 he would have complimented Hitler on his choice of mustache. He tickles Kim under the chin and Kim giggles. The problem is Pompeo is the exact opposite. A blunt object ready to bludgeon Kim. Basically it's good cop bad cop.This administration is like none other and the North Koreans have no idea how to handle it.

If we are to have any positive out come it will take more than one or two meetings and photo ops. Trump plays the long game and does so knowing the short game can be a bitch. The past administrations buggered the long game because they worried about the political implications of the short game. If this is going to happen it will take years.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Solar on July 07, 2018, 07:24:24 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 07, 2018, 06:56:40 PM
Here's my two penneth. Every time North Kore mouths off or there is a setback the left (there is no liberal democrats or moderate democrats anymore) will attack. They would do this anyway but Trump made it a bit easier by all but proclaiming victory and complimenting Kim Jong Un in Singapore. But that is Trump. When he wants something from you he blows smoke up your skirt. That is how negotiates. If he was president in 1945 he would have complimented Hitler on his choice of mustache. He tickles Kim under the chin and Kim giggles. The problem is Pompeo is the exact opposite. A blunt object ready to bludgeon Kim. Basically it's good cop bad cop.This administration is like none other and the North Koreans have no idea how to handle it.

If we are to have any positive out come it will take more than one or two meetings and photo ops. Trump plays the long game and does so knowing the short game can be a bitch. The past administrations buggered the long game because they worried about the political implications of the short game. If this is going to happen it will take years.
That's it in a nutshell. I couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Cryptic Bert on July 07, 2018, 08:51:27 PM
Quote from: Solar on July 07, 2018, 07:24:24 PM
That's it in a nutshell. I couldn't agree more.

Now, the final outcome. I have no idea and I don't have high hopes because history says so. I don't like to do predictions because with politics things can change in an instant. But if I had to make a prediction I would say in the end it will be China that pulls the plug on North Korea because of Trump. How? I have no idea. But it will be about who has the biggest balls.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Solar on July 07, 2018, 09:00:45 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 07, 2018, 08:51:27 PM
Now, the final outcome. I have no idea and I don't have high hopes because history says so. I don't like to do predictions because with politics things can change in an instant. But if I had to make a prediction I would say in the end it will be China that pulls the plug on North Korea because of Trump. How? I have no idea. But it will be about who has the biggest balls.
Yep, this has zero to do with NK and everything to do with China. China will play this the best way possible for themselves.
They were completely caught off guard when Trump manipulated them into concessions, something China hates the most is interfering with their longterm goals of global domination in the market.
I've no doubt China has something up their sleeve to get back at Trump, probably more currency manipulation if I were to guess for starters.
Trump still scares the shit out of Xi, so Xi will have to tread lightly, but I expect this process to be drug out over several years in hopes of getting more concessions from Trump.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Cryptic Bert on July 07, 2018, 09:16:45 PM
Quote from: Solar on July 07, 2018, 09:00:45 PM
Yep, this has zero to do with NK and everything to do with China. China will play this the best way possible for themselves.
They were completely caught off guard when Trump manipulated them into concessions, something China hates the most is interfering with their longterm goals of global domination in the market.
I've no doubt China has something up their sleeve to get back at Trump, probably more currency manipulation if I were to guess for starters.
Trump still scares the shit out of Xi, so Xi will have to tread lightly, but I expect this process to be drug out over several years in hopes of getting more concessions from Trump.

The possible trade war and the tariffs will probably play an important role. Trump doesn't know foreign policy but he knows money. Money is what fuels nations.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Solar on July 08, 2018, 06:14:11 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 07, 2018, 09:16:45 PM
The possible trade war and the tariffs will probably play an important role. Trump doesn't know foreign policy but he knows money. Money is what fuels nations.
Add to that, a brilliant team of military intel experts. It's these experts that give me faith Trump will succeed.
You know he has personal info on each and every pol he meets with. I believe that's why Roberts is giving Trump an open seat so early on.
Trump knows how to play this game, and always with a polite smile.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Bronx on July 08, 2018, 08:39:26 AM
Quote from: Cadescove on July 07, 2018, 09:59:26 AM
Because North Korea's official Korean News Agency often puts out statements that aren't officially sanctioned? 😳

I guess believing commie propaganda is your strong and only suit. You must have tripped all over yourself trying to get to your keyboard before all of your commie friends so you can post your Trump hating propaganda. Your mistake was you ran into the "wall" (see what I did there) of truth here at CFP.

Now pick yourself up and dust yourself off and most of all stop being the poster child as a hit and run lover for the maxist party...the democrats. Try taking a deep breath then come back refreshed armed with the truth.

Now have a great day and tell your commie friends we love you guys and we hope to see ya soon.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Cadescove on July 08, 2018, 09:40:40 AM
Quote from: Bronx on July 08, 2018, 08:39:26 AM
I guess believing commie propaganda is your strong and only suit. You must have tripped all over yourself trying to get to your keyboard before all of your commie friends so you can post your Trump hating propaganda. Your mistake was you ran into the "wall" (see what I did there) of truth here at CFP.

Now pick yourself up and dust yourself off and most of all stop being the poster child as a hit and run lover for the maxist party...the democrats. Try taking a deep breath then come back refreshed armed with the truth.

Now have a great day and tell your commie friends we love you guys and we hope to see ya soon.

Aww, you're very cute, even though you missed the whole point of my post was about Trump's propaganda not North Korea's. North Korea's b.s. propaganda was never in doubt.

Your own board member's have proven my point in posts 32 on that we are not safer, there still is a nuclear threat and this will be a long process.

Have a good day.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Solar on July 08, 2018, 10:00:16 AM
Quote from: Cadescove on July 08, 2018, 09:40:40 AM
Aww, you're very cute, even though you missed the whole point of my post was about Trump's propaganda not North Korea's. North Korea's b.s. propaganda was never in doubt.

Your own board member's have proven my point in posts 32 on that we are not safer, there still is a nuclear threat and this will be a long process.

Have a good day.
Truth is, there never was a real nuke threat. The beauty of what Trump did, was put a decades-old threat to free enterprise.
For decades China has used NK to get what it wants, Trump called their bluff and won serious concessions.
This is not the end, China wants Taiwan, NK was a Chinese tool and Trump took it away.
You need to see this in the geopolitical sphere of things, not myopically focusing on NK the way China intended.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Cryptic Bert on July 08, 2018, 05:35:08 PM
Quote from: Solar on July 08, 2018, 06:14:11 AM
Add to that, a brilliant team of military intel experts. It's these experts that give me faith Trump will succeed.
You know he has personal info on each and every pol he meets with. I believe that's why Roberts is giving Trump an open seat so early on.
Trump knows how to play this game, and always with a polite smile.

Well, not has brilliant as Ben Rhodes....
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Solar on July 09, 2018, 07:50:56 AM
Quote from: Cadescove on July 07, 2018, 09:59:26 AM
Because North Korea's official Korean News Agency often puts out statements that aren't officially sanctioned? 😳
As I've said all along, this is not NK's problem. it's the Chinese bully telling a nation no bigger in size than Northern Ca, what to do and when to do it, or else.
China owns NK, We've known it for decades and pretend otherwise. Trump refuses to play that shit.

Case in point:

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I have confidence that Kim Jong Un will honor the contract we signed &, even more importantly, our handshake. We agreed to the denuclearization of North Korea. China, on the other hand, may be exerting negative pressure on a deal because of our posture on Chinese Trade-Hope Not!
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Cadescove on July 10, 2018, 09:08:11 AM
Quote from: Solar on July 09, 2018, 07:50:56 AM
As I've said all along, this is not NK's problem. it's the Chinese bully telling a nation no bigger in size than Northern Ca, what to do and when to do it, or else.
China owns NK, We've known it for decades and pretend otherwise. Trump refuses to play that shit.

Case in point:

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I have confidence that Kim Jong Un will honor the contract we signed &, even more importantly, our handshake. We agreed to the denuclearization of North Korea. China, on the other hand, may be exerting negative pressure on a deal because of our posture on Chinese Trade-Hope Not!

Cute that tRump thinks he has a contract with Kim, not even close.
Definition of contract:
1 a : a binding agreement between two or more persons or parties; especially : one legally enforceable If he breaks the contract, he'll be sued.

Heck, they didn't even have a promise, sort of a memorandum of understanding.

Even if there were a contract both sides have a long history of ignoring contracts/agreements on a whim.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Solar on July 10, 2018, 10:10:37 AM
Quote from: Cadescove on July 10, 2018, 09:08:11 AM
Cute that tRump thinks he has a contract with Kim, not even close.
Definition of contract:
1 a : a binding agreement between two or more persons or parties; especially : one legally enforceable If he breaks the contract, he'll be sued.

Heck, they didn't even have a promise, sort of a memorandum of understanding.

Even if there were a contract both sides have a long history of ignoring contracts/agreements on a whim.
You have a point, I assume?
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: taxed on July 10, 2018, 11:31:45 AM
Quote from: Cadescove on July 10, 2018, 09:08:11 AM
Cute that tRump thinks he has a contract with Kim, not even close.
Definition of contract:
1 a : a binding agreement between two or more persons or parties; especially : one legally enforceable If he breaks the contract, he'll be sued.

Heck, they didn't even have a promise, sort of a memorandum of understanding.

Even if there were a contract both sides have a long history of ignoring contracts/agreements on a whim.

If he breaks it, penalties would be enforced.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Cadescove on July 10, 2018, 11:33:08 AM
Quote from: taxed on July 10, 2018, 11:31:45 AM
If he breaks it, penalties would be enforced.

Breaks what?
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: taxed on July 10, 2018, 11:33:37 AM
Quote from: Solar on July 08, 2018, 10:00:16 AM
Truth is, there never was a real nuke threat. The beauty of what Trump did, was put a decades-old threat to free enterprise.
For decades China has used NK to get what it wants, Trump called their bluff and won serious concessions.
This is not the end, China wants Taiwan, NK was a Chinese tool and Trump took it away.
You need to see this in the geopolitical sphere of things, not myopically focusing on NK the way China intended.

It amazes me how many people don't get this.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: T Hunt on July 10, 2018, 11:42:24 AM
Quote from: Cadescove on July 10, 2018, 11:33:08 AM
Breaks what?

The handshake. Enforceable through Man Law, which supercedes Intetnational Law.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Cadescove on July 10, 2018, 11:43:04 AM
Quote from: taxed on July 10, 2018, 11:33:37 AM
It amazes me how many people don't get this.


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Donald J. Trump
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Just landed - a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea. Meeting with Kim Jong Un was an interesting and very positive experience. North Korea has great potential for the future!

You guys might be right.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Solar on July 10, 2018, 11:43:42 AM
Quote from: taxed on July 10, 2018, 11:33:37 AM
It amazes me how many people don't get this.
:biggrin:
It's like the neighbor kid got a nerf gun and the neighborhood thinks they're all going to die.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: taxed on July 10, 2018, 11:47:12 AM
Quote from: Cadescove on July 10, 2018, 11:43:04 AM

You guys might be right.

You really don't get it. Is this an act? Be honest.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Solar on July 10, 2018, 11:51:05 AM
Quote from: T Hunt on July 10, 2018, 11:42:24 AM
The handshake. Enforceable through Man Law, which supercedes Intetnational Law.
So true.
I spent 40 years in business using the (Bro Code) a simple handshake and was never burned once.
You are only worth your word, and Trump is holding Kim to his.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Cadescove on August 24, 2018, 11:14:11 AM
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2018, 11:51:05 AM
So true.
I spent 40 years in business using the (Bro Code) a simple handshake and was never burned once.
You are only worth your word, and Trump is holding Kim to his.

Oops.

Trump Says He Canceled Pompeo's Trip to North Korea, Citing Poor Progress

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-canceled-pompeo-trip-174016947.html

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Donald J. Trump
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Jun 13
Just landed - a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea. Meeting with Kim Jong Un was an interesting and very positive experience. North Korea has great potential for the future!

Yeah, not so much.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: T Hunt on August 24, 2018, 11:36:30 AM
Quote from: Cadescove on August 24, 2018, 11:14:11 AM
Oops.

Trump Says He Canceled Pompeo's Trip to North Korea, Citing Poor Progress

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-canceled-pompeo-trip-174016947.html

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Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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Jun 13
Just landed - a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea. Meeting with Kim Jong Un was an interesting and very positive experience. North Korea has great potential for the future!

Yeah, not so much.

How is it that you can be staring strait at the truth and yet miss it entirely? Im genuinely curious. Are you willfully ignorant, or are you just 'special'?
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Possum on August 24, 2018, 11:43:10 AM
Quote from: T Hunt on August 24, 2018, 11:36:30 AM
How is it that you can be staring strait at the truth and yet miss it entirely? Im genuinely curious. Are you willfully ignorant, or are you just 'special'?
I f this is a poll, put me as voting for ignorant. I'm guessing he is still upset Hillary did not get the white house even though she "won"
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Solar on August 24, 2018, 11:48:13 AM
Quote from: Cadescove on August 24, 2018, 11:14:11 AM
Oops.

Trump Says He Canceled Pompeo's Trip to North Korea, Citing Poor Progress

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-canceled-pompeo-trip-174016947.html

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Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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Jun 13
Just landed - a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea. Meeting with Kim Jong Un was an interesting and very positive experience. North Korea has great potential for the future!


And following that Tweet, he said this.
Yeah, not so much. I'll be happy to explain this to you, considering you have no clue as to what is taking place.

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...Secretary Pompeo looks forward to going to North Korea in the near future, most likely after our Trading relationship with China is resolved. In the meantime I would like to send my warmest regards and respect to Chairman Kim. I look forward to seeing him soon!

Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: T Hunt on August 24, 2018, 11:57:52 AM
Quote from: s3779m on August 24, 2018, 11:43:10 AM
I f this is a poll, put me as voting for ignorant. I'm guessing he is still upset Hillary did not get the white house even though she "won"

And in the dark reccesses of his mind he is worried that 2016 is about to happen all over again in nov. He is scared shiftless, so his mind concocts fantasies to help him cope, twisting the truth to match his reality. Its actually quite sad.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Cadescove on August 24, 2018, 12:02:11 PM
Quote from: Solar on August 24, 2018, 11:48:13 AM
And following that Tweet, he said this.
Yeah, not so much. I'll be happy to explain this to you, considering you have no clue as to what is taking place.

Donald J. Trump

Verified account

@realDonaldTrump
1h1 hour ago
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...Secretary Pompeo looks forward to going to North Korea in the near future, most likely after our Trading relationship with China is resolved. In the meantime I would like to send my warmest regards and respect to Chairman Kim. I look forward to seeing him soon!

Starting a trade war with China while seeking their help with NK?  About as smart as opening a second front with Russia.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: T Hunt on August 24, 2018, 12:11:56 PM
Quote from: Cadescove on August 24, 2018, 12:02:11 PM
Starting a trade war with China while seeking their help with NK?  About as smart as opening a second front with Russia.

Dude, seriously, how is it you leftists are always so blind to human nature? Have you read art of the deal, or the art of war? Do you understand their truths?

If it is so simple to you then please explain in simple terms for simple people: How is it that a trade war with china is bad while seeking their help with NK? If it is so obvious then surely you can explain...
(Just trying to get you to think this through yourself)

Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Solar on August 24, 2018, 12:24:12 PM
Quote from: Cadescove on August 24, 2018, 12:02:11 PM
Starting a trade war with China while seeking their help with NK?  About as smart as opening a second front with Russia.
OK, first off, NK is not a lone player, in fact, it only does what China allows, or rather tells it to do.
So what Trump has done, is grabbed China bt the balls and told them, "You will work with us".
China has been using NK as leverage to get Trump to soften his grip, it isn't working and now he put NK aside for the moment while he squeezes Ji's nuts even harder.

Trump is in a position, to not only kill China's economy, he could also kill off Ji's political career as dictator for life.

I know you don't see it, but the world economy is in tatters, they need us, and Trump is done giving the farm away to Marxists around the globe. Yes, we are in the driver's seat once again, after 40 years of failed leftist policy from both party's selling out America.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Solar on August 24, 2018, 12:26:24 PM
Quote from: T Hunt on August 24, 2018, 12:11:56 PM
Dude, seriously, how is it you leftists are always so blind to human nature? Have you read art of the deal, or the art of war? Do you understand their truths?

If it is so simple to you then please explain in simple terms for simple people: How is it that a trade war with china is bad while seeking their help with NK? If it is so obvious then surely you can explain...
(Just trying to get you to think this through yourself)
He can't, he has no historical reference, all he knows is the crap CNN and msnbc spews.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Cryptic Bert on August 25, 2018, 12:31:39 AM
Ah, so step two in this incredibly long dance. What did anyone expect? Nuke talks with North Korea are like the songs Freebird and American Pie. They go on forever.
Title: Re: 'I do trust him' NK, So It Begins
Post by: Solar on August 25, 2018, 06:08:01 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 25, 2018, 12:31:39 AM
Ah, so step two in this incredibly long dance. What did anyone expect? Nuke talks with North Korea are like the songs Freebird and American Pie. They go on forever.
Yep, on a tape loop to boot.
According to the left, Trump was to personally oversee the operation and hand carry it all out of the North, then personally tare down the demarcation zone and plant poppies.
Trump is sooo slow, this should have all been done by now according to the Marist media.