Quote from: kroz on June 28, 2015, 12:30:21 PM
BUT.... Sodom and Gomorrah were only cited for the sin of homosexuality.

If all sin are equal to God He would have destroyed every city and hamlet.  Homosexuality is particularly abominable to God because it attempts to circumvent His plan for man.  Marriage was established for the purpose of healthy procreation.  It provides the optimal environment for raising children.  There is a scriptural structure to every marriage according to God's design.  Homosexuality is a direct affront to God's sovereign plan for His creation.  That is why it is frequently called an abomination!

Not true, Tyr had the same things going on. And for the record it's not me that says all sin is abomination to God, God does. There's only one sin the Bible ever says is worse, and well homosexuality is NOT the sin of blasphemy against the Holy spirit.

Which is what our God, the God of Abraham Issac and Jacob, says is the only unforgivable sin. Citing some biblical belief that this group is living in sin, and that as such they get what they get.

Is no more appropriate or proper under American law, than the imposition of a sharia law court would be.

That's the thing the rightists apparently don't understand.

As exemplified by George Will on FOX sunday morning, when he said, "Conservatives should be careful what they ask for, they might get it".

Whether we personally believe the religions teachings or not, is irrelevant to the ruling, or the case that gave us the ruling.

The fact of the matter is, we are legislating behavior, (if conservatives have their way) based upon what a religion (albeit the right one) says. And by doing that, we also risk, seeing legislation which says for example Sharia courts are just alight and A-ok.

Oh yeah we really need to see that going on in America. NOT.

This is why keeping government out of marriage to start with, as the separation of Church and State  as enumerated by our Constitution, says things should be, is the better idea.

To not do so, risks and invites things like Sharia Courts.

I hope that exemplifies to some, why, and how, extremely bad an idea it is, to impose legal/legislative "norms of behavior" based upon a religious doctrine.

Even though we may personally feel it's the right one. In this case, based upon our own faith. Doing that, like it or not opens the door, to having later on, things like Sharia Courts being imposed and legally justifiable because well we already legislate another religions teachings as law, why not that one too? Getting the point yet Mike Huckabee? Getting the point yet, Scott Walker?

Getting the point yet, all my fellow Conservatives, who have this past week been gnashing their teeth together singing "oh woe is me, I"m so persecuted because some gays want to get married".   

Quote from: daidalos on June 29, 2015, 04:44:22 AM
Not true, Tyr had the same things going on. And for the record it's not me that says all sin is abomination to God, God does. There's only one sin the Bible ever says is worse, and well homosexuality is NOT the sin of blasphemy against the Holy spirit.

Which is what our God, the God of Abraham Issac and Jacob, says is the only unforgivable sin. Citing some biblical belief that this group is living in sin, and that as such they get what they get.

Is no more appropriate or proper under American law, than the imposition of a sharia law court would be.

That's the thing the rightists apparently don't understand.

As exemplified by George Will on FOX sunday morning, when he said, "Conservatives should be careful what they ask for, they might get it".

Whether we personally believe the religions teachings or not, is irrelevant to the ruling, or the case that gave us the ruling.

The fact of the matter is, we are legislating behavior, (if conservatives have their way) based upon what a religion (albeit the right one) says. And by doing that, we also risk, seeing legislation which says for example Sharia courts are just alight and A-ok.

Oh yeah we really need to see that going on in America. NOT.

This is why keeping government out of marriage to start with, as the separation of Church and State  as enumerated by our Constitution, says things should be, is the better idea.

To not do so, risks and invites things like Sharia Courts.

I hope that exemplifies to some, why, and how, extremely bad an idea it is, to impose legal/legislative "norms of behavior" based upon a religious doctrine.

Even though we may personally feel it's the right one. In this case, based upon our own faith. Doing that, like it or not opens the door, to having later on, things like Sharia Courts being imposed and legally justifiable because well we already legislate another religions teachings as law, why not that one too? Getting the point yet Mike Huckabee? Getting the point yet, Scott Walker?

Getting the point yet, all my fellow Conservatives, who have this past week been gnashing their teeth together singing "oh woe is me, I"m so persecuted because some gays want to get married".   

Wrong.  Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is called the unpardonable sin because it is a rejecting of the Holy Spirit...which is the salvation experience.  There is nothing else that can save your soul.  Therefore it is unpardonable.  It is the seal of the Holy Spirit that links us to God eternally. 

Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is not a casual curse word.  It is a life decision.

Even homosexuality can be forgiven if we turn from our sin and receive the Holy Spirit.

This Nation was established by Christians and our laws are unquestionably founded upon the mosaic laws..... not all  but those which are reaffirmed in the NEW COVENANT or New Testament by Jesus Himself.

It was never intended to be a theocracy but a free Country in the pattern of God's teachings.  Those who immigrated here were expected to accept those conditions under which to live.

Political correctness was designed to change all of that!  PC became "King" of the land.  That gave godlessness the toe hold needed to degrade and destroy the fiber of our culture and laws.  Sharia law is a red herring to your argument.  It legally is irrelevant ...... unless your embrace PC.

Quote from: kroz on June 29, 2015, 05:24:40 AM
Wrong.  Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is called the unpardonable sin because it is a rejecting of the Holy Spirit...which is the salvation experience.  There is nothing else that can save your soul.  Therefore it is unpardonable.  It is the seal of the Holy Spirit that links us to God eternally. 

Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is not a casual curse word.  It is a life decision.

Even homosexuality can be forgiven if we turn from our sin and receive the Holy Spirit.

This Nation was established by Christians and our laws are unquestionably founded upon the mosaic laws..... not all  but those which are reaffirmed in the NEW COVENANT or New Testament by Jesus Himself.

It was never intended to be a theocracy but a free Country in the pattern of God's teachings.  Those who immigrated here were expected to accept those conditions under which to live.

Political correctness was designed to change all of that!  PC became "King" of the land.  That gave godlessness the toe hold needed to degrade and destroy the fiber of our culture and laws.  Sharia law is a red herring to your argument.  It legally is irrelevant ...... unless your embrace PC.

Right again, Kroz

Notice that when anyone shows Daidalos to be wrong he ignores the post and goes to another thread to spread his narrow knowledge of scriptures ripped from context and used for his agenda!  He rambles and has just enough knowledge to be dangerous to the truth of God's Word.

Context is king.  All Scripture is true IF interpreted in the context of which it was written.  Daidalos ignores that because it doesn't fit his agenda.

Allow me to point out the 300 lb gorilla in the middle of the room.

Quite apart from any religious prohibition against homosexuality, there is a practical one.

Homosexual "sex" (both "gay" and lesbian) is a group of dangerous, unhealthy, unhygienic group of perverted acts that often have physical and mental complications associated with it. The people who engage in it are sick, and need help. They don't need to have their "lifestyle", tolerated, celebrated, or codified by the Supreme Court of the United States!

It is well established that there are high rates of psychiatric illnesses, including depression, drug abuse, and suicide attempts, among gays and lesbians. This is true even in the Netherlands, where gay, lesbian and bisexual (GLB) relationships are far more socially acceptable than in the U.S. Depression and drug abuse are strongly associated with risky sexual practices that lead to serious medical problems.

http://factsaboutyouth.com/posts/mental-health/

http://factsaboutyouth.com/posts/physical-health/


And, before some liberal troll jumps in here and say, "homosexuality is natural because it has been observed in non-human species", all I have to say is, several non-human species cannibalize their young, but I don't think we need to be doing that, either!
   

I say who gives a fuck,  I would say I am a slight homophobe, if I see two guys kissing or hold hands it weirds me out.  I always wondered why any straight man would be worried about what a man does.  why would you be concerned about what another man does?  I say let them get married and comeout without shame, because if you shame them and they hide it, you never know if you were hanging around some dude that is gay and hiding it.     and what happens you get dudes like lindsey graham were you think they might be gay but your not sure.

Then next you know you find out there gay and they have been checking you out the whole time.

Oh yeah when it comes to lesbians, the man ones weird me out to, but if there hot i am down for it,    I got to say if you are not for hot lesbians your probably gay. 

Quote from: liberalman on June 30, 2015, 11:45:08 PM
I say who gives a fuck,  I would say I am a slight homophobe, if I see two guys kissing or hold hands it weirds me out.  I always wondered why any straight man would be worried about what a man does.  why would you be concerned about what another man does?  I say let them get married and comeout without shame, because if you shame them and they hide it, you never know if you were hanging around some dude that is gay and hiding it.     and what happens you get dudes like lindsey graham were you think they might be gay but your not sure.

Then next you know you find out there gay and they have been checking you out the whole time.

More likely they have been "checking out" 12 year old little boys like you!

Quote from: liberalman on June 30, 2015, 11:50:31 PM
Oh yeah when it comes to lesbians, the man ones weird me out to, but if there hot i am down for it,    I got to say if you are not for hot lesbians your probably gay.

I'm sure the left has to have a name for that.  I think it's called misogyny.

Quote from: liberalman on June 30, 2015, 11:50:31 PM
Oh yeah when it comes to lesbians, the man ones weird me out to, but if there hot i am down for it,    I got to say if you are not for hot lesbians your probably gay.

Your language is terrible and your attitude leaves us wondering which way your "door" swings.  We condone neither here, so wise up while you can on this forum.  Your posts are not unlike some we could find on one of the liberal forums if we wanted to go there.

Quote from: keyboarder on July 01, 2015, 09:17:34 AM
Your language is terrible and your attitude leaves us wondering which way your "door" swings.  We condone neither here, so wise up while you can on this forum.  Your posts are not unlike some we could find on one of the liberal forums if we wanted to go there.

Yeah. Crudely immature.

Quote from: Dori on July 01, 2015, 09:10:48 AM
I'm sure the left has to have a name for that.  I think it's called misogyny.

He says it's hot to watch lesbians and less so for the males, which strongly suggests that with his utter lack of language skills combined with ALLLLLLL that Internet research at porn-sites, we may safely assume his experience with ANYTHING he did not have to inflate was marginal at best, and probably second-hand.

Franklin Graham warns that America will not like what is at the end of this Rainbow!

Franklin Graham's word is respected worldwide, through his work with Samaritan's Purse and the organization his father founded, the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, and now he's begun warning America of God's looming judgment.



Because of the nation's adoption, through its Supreme Court, of mandatory recognition of same-sex marriage across the states.

"Our nation will not like what's at the end of this rainbow," he wrote this week.

"'Pride goeth before a fall.' Supreme Court Justice [Antonin] Scalia used Proverbs 16:18 in his comments regarding the court's disappointing and dangerous ruling about same-sex marriage," Graham wrote. "He rightly called the decision 'a threat to the American democracy.' This is so true. Arrogantly disregarding God's authority always has serious consequences."

Graham has millions following his comments and routinely gets hundreds of thousands of "likes" and tens of thousands of "shares" for his postings.

He has commented several times on the court's ruling Friday, which immediately generated forecasts of persecution coming in America to citizens whose beliefs disallow homosexuality.

His comments included a blast at President Obama.

"The president had the White House lit up in rainbow colors to celebrate the Supreme Court ruling on same-sex marriage. This is outrageous – a real slap in the face to the millions of Americans who do not support same-sex marriage and whose voice is being ignored.

"God is the one who gave the rainbow, and it was associated with His judgment. God sent a flood to wipe out the entire world because mankind had become so wicked and violent," he wrote.


Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/franklin-graham-gay-rainbow-ends-badly/#OsSPdv00SQeIPhv7.99

Quote from: kroz on June 29, 2015, 05:24:40 AM
Wrong.  Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is called the unpardonable sin because it is a rejecting of the Holy Spirit...which is the salvation experience.  There is nothing else that can save your soul.  Therefore it is unpardonable.  It is the seal of the Holy Spirit that links us to God eternally. 

Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is not a casual curse word.  It is a life decision.

Even homosexuality can be forgiven if we turn from our sin and receive the Holy Spirit.

This Nation was established by Christians and our laws are unquestionably founded upon the mosaic laws..... not all  but those which are reaffirmed in the NEW COVENANT or New Testament by Jesus Himself.

It was never intended to be a theocracy but a free Country in the pattern of God's teachings.  Those who immigrated here were expected to accept those conditions under which to live.

Political correctness was designed to change all of that!  PC became "King" of the land.  That gave godlessness the toe hold needed to degrade and destroy the fiber of our culture and laws.  Sharia law is a red herring to your argument.  It legally is irrelevant ...... unless your embrace PC.

Christ himself never condemned the sexually immoral, he did however condemn the religious leaders of his day.

Here see:

http://billygraham.org/story/billy-grahams-answer-what-is-sin-are-all-sins-equal-in-gods-eyes/ oh and while homosexuality did go in in Soddom and Gomorrah, God destroyed those cities for other reasons as well. It wasn't just because the gays were there. As some would have us believe.

Quote from: kroz on June 30, 2015, 06:01:14 AM
Notice that when anyone shows Daidalos to be wrong he ignores the post and goes to another thread to spread his narrow knowledge of scriptures ripped from context and used for his agenda!  He rambles and has just enough knowledge to be dangerous to the truth of God's Word.

Context is king.  All Scripture is true IF interpreted in the context of which it was written.  Daidalos ignores that because it doesn't fit his agenda.

You didn't show me to be wrong. In fact you confirmed exactly what I was saying. There is only one sin that is worse than another, and that is blasphemy of the holy ghost.

Not homosexuality. As some (on the right) would have us believe.

But thanks for affirming exactly what I was saying. Hahahaha