Utah proposes a Winter wood burning ban

[Solar]

There is a workaround for this. Regardless of law, try citing someone for cooking over an open flame, a method as old as time itself.
Here in Ca, Sacramento "attempts" to dictates our burn days here in the mountains, as well as other counties around the state because many times during the year, all that smoke winds up in the valley.
So the state has a ph number you can call daily to see if it's a burn day, and if the Westerly Delta wind is blowing everything East into Nevada and Utah, then you're allowed to burn.

Our response to that is a big ass "Fuck You" and our work around, (assisted by local fire chiefs) is when someone tries to turn us in for so called "illegal" burns, they simply come out and verify it was a large campfire, sometimes multiple campfires, some the size of a house, but verified cookout, because that's the first question they ask, "Having a cookout"? Yes sir, and clearing potential fire hazards for the summer in the process.

So my suggestion is to tell these ass holes to F off, you're merely cooking to survive.

[TboneAgain]

There is a workaround for this. Regardless of law, try citing someone for cooking over an open flame, a method as old as time itself.
Here in Ca, Sacramento "attempts" to dictates our burn days here in the mountains, as well as other counties around the state because many times during the year, all that smoke winds up in the valley.
So the state has a ph number you can call daily to see if it's a burn day, and if the Westerly Delta wind is blowing everything East into Nevada and Utah, then you're allowed to burn.

Our response to that is a big ass "Fuck You" and our work around, (assisted by local fire chiefs) is when someone tries to turn us in for so called "illegal" burns, they simply come out and verify it was a large campfire, sometimes multiple campfires, some the size of a house, but verified cookout, because that's the first question they ask, "Having a cookout"? Yes sir, and clearing potential fire hazards for the summer in the process.

So my suggestion is to tell these ass holes to F off, you're merely cooking to survive.

Similar situation here in Ohio, at least for open fires. (No bans on fireplace burning yet that I know of.) In my county, it's legal to burn "yard waste," and I accumulate a lot of that, what with all the trees. And that's a good thing, since environmental regulations have pretty much forced my paid garbage service to refuse to pick up yard waste, or just about anything else I want to get rid of.

Of course, this old barn I live in (it quite literally was a two-stall horse and carriage barn a hundred years ago) is a never-ending remodeling project, and sometimes things wander into the burn pile that, while certainly derived from trees, bear a striking resemblance to items that might have been produced at a sawmill in, say, 1925. For that reason, when it's time to burn, I invite the neighbors to join me and we break open a pack of hot dogs or a bag of marshmallows, crack a few beers, and enjoy the occasion. To paraphrase Rahm Emanuel, never let a good fire go to waste! 

[Solar]

Similar situation here in Ohio, at least for open fires. (No bans on fireplace burning yet that I know of.) In my county, it's legal to burn "yard waste," and I accumulate a lot of that, what with all the trees. And that's a good thing, since environmental regulations have pretty much forced my paid garbage service to refuse to pick up yard waste, or just about anything else I want to get rid of.

Of course, this old barn I live in (it quite literally was a two-stall horse and carriage barn a hundred years ago) is a never-ending remodeling project, and sometimes things wander into the burn pile that, while certainly derived from trees, bear a striking resemblance to items that might have been produced at a sawmill in, say, 1925. For that reason, when it's time to burn, I invite the neighbors to join me and we break open a pack of hot dogs or a bag of marshmallows, crack a few beers, and enjoy the occasion. To paraphrase Rahm Emanuel, never let a good fire go to waste! 

Yep, same here, I do a trash search of the property, pile it all up, cover it with slash and fall from trees and brush and drag a heavy grate over and wait for the coals so I can cook some burgers..
Not a damn thing they can say.

But of course, in the summer, I simply call the look out tower on Bald mtn and give her a heads up that, there will be one Hell of a plume shortly, to just ignore it.
I don't look forward to the day USFS (Forest Service) gets a drone, and believe me, they will, it's coming.

[Billy's bayonet]

UTAH!!!!??????!!!!!! What the hell is the matter with them, are they run by a bunch of California rejects or something?

Actually a few years back the Kenyan's regime was a,most encouraging wood stoves etc by offering tax credits for stoves and such....I got mine....hah! BUT this is a dangerous precedent, other states may follow and I fear the communists that run Northern Virginia and Richmond may try to punish all us country gun and bible toting rednecks by not allowing us our wood stoves and fireplaces....or midnight bonfires in farmers fields drinking 'shine'

[Darth Fife]

UTAH!!!!??????!!!!!! What the hell is the matter with them, are they run by a bunch of California rejects or something?

Actually a few years back the Kenyan's regime was a,most encouraging wood stoves etc by offering tax credits for stoves and such....I got mine....hah! BUT this is a dangerous precedent, other states may follow and I fear the communists that run Northern Virginia and Richmond may try to punish all us country gun and bible toting rednecks by not allowing us our wood stoves and fireplaces....or midnight bonfires in farmers fields drinking 'shine'

Actually, it is getting close to that Billy!

Due to a local meteorological phenomenon known as a temperature inversion (extremely cold air at the surface with relatively warmer air aloft)  that sets up in winter, Utah  does get some really bad air days.

Surrounded by mountains on 4 sides and due the inversion, no convection to circulate the air,  and no wind to speak of, the air gets really stagnant about polluted.

The sources are many - mostly car and truck exhaust and some industry - however, the condition is only temporary. The next storm that comes through usually clears they air. All in all, we suffer through about 15 to 20 "bad" air days a year.

The dirty little secret (and most life long Utahns know this) this is the way things have been since Brigham Young and his Mormons first entered the Salt Lake Valley over a hundred years ago.

But, our ever growing contingent of ex-patriot Californian (who have slowly been infiltrating the local and state government and education system)  need something to demonize to expand the power of bureaucracy so, apparently, they decided that the root of all air pollution evil in Utah is the wood burning stove!

Go figure!

[walkstall]

Actually, it is getting close to that Billy!

Due to a local meteorological phenomenon known as a temperature inversion (extremely cold air at the surface with relatively warmer air aloft)  that sets up in winter, Utah  does get some really bad air days.

Surrounded by mountains on 4 sides and due the inversion, no convection to circulate the air,  and no wind to speak of, the air gets really stagnant about polluted.

The sources are many - mostly car and truck exhaust and some industry - however, the condition is only temporary. The next storm that comes through usually clears they air. All in all, we suffer through about 15 to 20 "bad" air days a year.

The dirty little secret (and most life long Utahns know this) this is the way things have been since Brigham Young and his Mormons first entered the Salt Lake Valley over a hundred years ago.

But, our ever growing contingent of ex-patriot Californian (who have slowly been infiltrating the local and state government and education system)  need something to demonize to expand the power of bureaucracy so, apparently, they decided that the root of all air pollution evil in Utah is the wood burning stove!

Go figure!

Next will be BBQ's.   

[daidalos]

Really? I have forced air heat and I don't live in a cold climate like Utah, but it's nice to have a fire in the fireplace on cool or rainy nights.

These people are taking all the enjoyment out of life. 

Uh telling folks they can't burn wood in wintertime is trying to take life out of life, let alone enjoyment. lol

[Solar]

Actually, it is getting close to that Billy!

Due to a local meteorological phenomenon known as a temperature inversion (extremely cold air at the surface with relatively warmer air aloft)  that sets up in winter, Utah  does get some really bad air days.

Surrounded by mountains on 4 sides and due the inversion, no convection to circulate the air,  and no wind to speak of, the air gets really stagnant about polluted.

The sources are many - mostly car and truck exhaust and some industry - however, the condition is only temporary. The next storm that comes through usually clears they air. All in all, we suffer through about 15 to 20 "bad" air days a year.

The dirty little secret (and most life long Utahns know this) this is the way things have been since Brigham Young and his Mormons first entered the Salt Lake Valley over a hundred years ago.

But, our ever growing contingent of ex-patriot Californian (who have slowly been infiltrating the local and state government and education system)  need something to demonize to expand the power of bureaucracy so, apparently, they decided that the root of all air pollution evil in Utah is the wood burning stove!

Go figure!

Many valley communities suffer the same fate, as in Sacramento being in a bowl nestled between the Sierra Nevada, and Coast range.
Even Washington commented on the smog/smoke in his time.
Since it's more of an irritant than anything, maybe education on burning certain kinds of wood, moisture content and such.

[quiller]

> Darth....

You appear to blame Mormons for a century of air pollution. Care to support that? Or is it better to say pollution occurred since this date, but religion had little to do it it and industry (and natural topography) had a lot.

[walkstall]

> Darth....

You appear to blame Mormons for a century of air pollution. Care to support that? Or is it better to say pollution occurred since this date, but religion had little to do it it and industry (and natural topography) had a lot.

Only Mormons work in Utah there for only Mormons create air pollution.      

[quiller]

Only Mormons work in Utah there for only Mormons create air pollution.      

Are you saying Utah is a no-go zone or something? Oh. Wait. That's like --- Let's blame the citizens of Italy for being Catholic while warming their homes.

I don't blame Mormons. Maybe blame about any business materially contributing to pollution, sure --- but even if every employee is Mormon that does not make the LDS as a whole any agent of pollution. If not them it would have been some other predominant religion (or perhaps the mix found elsewhere, today).

[quiller]

Added thought. I am not now nor have I ever been a member of the LDS faith. But since I seem to be defending them here, if there ARE any legitimate Mormons here, at least have the decency to offer me a discount on mapping my family tree! 

[Solar]

Added thought. I am not now nor have I ever been a member of the LDS faith. But since I seem to be defending them here, if there ARE any legitimate Mormons here, at least have the decency to offer me a discount on mapping my family tree! 

I support Mormons as well, so I want in on Q's deal too.

[walkstall]

Added thought. I am not now nor have I ever been a member of the LDS faith. But since I seem to be defending them here, if there ARE any legitimate Mormons here, at least have the decency to offer me a discount on mapping my family tree! 

Last year was the first time we did not go into Utah in the last 12 years.  I can say there not a Mormon that I did not like that we came across.   Sometimes we stayed a month before moving out of Utah into other states. 

[MACMan]

I can say there not a Mormon that I did not like that we came across.

I can't say the same about Nevada. One time I got a glimpse of that famous Mormon Harry Reid.

And 'No', Walks, it wasn't in one of those Nevada whorehouses.