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Trumpism vs. conservatism
« on: June 16, 2017, 04:39:27 AM »
A Hillsdale College junior interning at the Detroit News examines the difference between what Trump espouses and what conservatives believe. For example: when are executive orders abuse of power?

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Faith in the Constitution and the founding principles of our nation should cause conservatives to be wary of throwing unquestioning support to any politician who supports this abuse of power, even the president.

Conservatives can learn from the Democrats’ failure — blind loyalty to a political party has not brought them success. The Democratic Party is imploding; it doesn’t hold a branch of government, and it is plagued by an unprecedented amount of corruption.

We need to remain loyal to the principles the framework of our nation is built on, not a political party or individual politician. The urgent political and cultural task at hand is to persuade the public of the importance of constitutional values while modeling them with honor and integrity.

Unfortunately, because of Trump’s inappropriate behavior and reckless political strategies, conservatives cannot do this and unapologetically defend the president. As a young conservative, I have not only the right, but the duty to speak out against any party or politician who threatens the democratic principles I support.

There is a longer, more important cultural fight at stake, and remaining loyal to the principles that made this country great is the only thing that will help make it great again. 


http://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/2017/06/15/trumpism-conservatism/102903744/

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Re: Trumpism vs. conservatism
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2017, 05:56:23 AM »
She pretty much nailed it.
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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2017, 05:32:37 PM »
Most of the executive orders Trump his put out are not to crate new law with his pen but to repeal actions taken by EO by Obama!

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Re: Trumpism vs. conservatism
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2017, 05:41:28 PM »
Most of the executive orders Trump his put out are not to crate new law with his pen but to repeal actions taken by EO by Obama!

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Re: Trumpism vs. conservatism
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2017, 05:42:49 PM »
Most of the executive orders Trump his put out are not to crate new law with his pen but to repeal actions taken by EO by Obama!

Hiya, Red. You're correct. But that's not the point. I can't recall the name of Obama's press secretary at the time, who, when asked by a news reporter for the specific law enabling Presidents to even issue executive orders, drew an utter blank. This was funny at the time because it was Obama but serious then and serious now if ANY President misuses it.

I prefer that both the House and Senate pass whatever damnfool piece of crap they agree to, and THEN the Prez gets into it, either pocket-vetoing or signing it, either way the Constitutional process is obeyed and not circumvented (or expedited, or excised, doesn't matter).

You caught me in a sanguine mood tonight. Normally I'd want Congress deported.

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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2017, 05:53:18 PM »
Hiya, Red. You're correct. But that's not the point. I can't recall the name of Obama's press secretary at the time, who, when asked by a news reporter for the specific law enabling Presidents to even issue executive orders, drew an utter blank. This was funny at the time because it was Obama but serious then and serious now if ANY President misuses it.

I prefer that both the House and Senate pass whatever damnfool piece of crap they agree to, and THEN the Prez gets into it, either pocket-vetoing or signing it, either way the Constitutional process is obeyed and not circumvented (or expedited, or excised, doesn't matter).

You caught me in a sanguine mood tonight. Normally I'd want Congress deported.
Yeah, it was never meant to be extra-judicial, it was designed so POTUS could expedite, matters already approved by Congress.
The Marxist abused the law by usurping Congress, which is what the author was pointing out, despite the fact his predecessor broke the law and Trump were using the same privilege to rectify the issue.
She's correct, two wrongs don't make a right, though she should place blame squarely where it belongs, on Congress for being derelict in its duties.
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Re: Trumpism vs. conservatism
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2017, 05:54:17 PM »
Hiya, Red. You're correct. But that's not the point. I can't recall the name of Obama's press secretary at the time, who, when asked by a news reporter for the specific law enabling Presidents to even issue executive orders, drew an utter blank. This was funny at the time because it was Obama but serious then and serious now if ANY President misuses it.

I prefer that both the House and Senate pass whatever damnfool piece of crap they agree to, and THEN the Prez gets into it, either pocket-vetoing or signing it, either way the Constitutional process is obeyed and not circumvented (or expedited, or excised, doesn't matter).

You caught me in a sanguine mood tonight. Normally I'd want Congress deported.


They should take a dueling number.
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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2017, 06:07:54 PM »

They should take a dueling number.

I'll buy a pair of these, if only they follow through and use them.


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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2017, 06:36:27 PM »
..."remaining loyal to the principles that made this country great is the only thing that will help make it great again".

We need to get back to adhering to the principles of the Constitution; otherwise it is futile to try to move forward.
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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2017, 08:17:39 AM »
..."remaining loyal to the principles that made this country great is the only thing that will help make it great again".

We need to get back to adhering to the principles of the Constitution; otherwise it is futile to try to move forward.

Leftists who think it "just a piece of paper" are scarcely the unbiased teachers they piously claim to be for any lesson on civics.

Watch the fools have conniptions if Congress passes an amendment to all federal funding for all U.S. states and territories, that without exception, the school MUST teach a one-hour class every school day on civics during their final year of high school.

Informed voters know we aren't a democracy. Watch the left go crazy trying to block that.

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Re: Trumpism vs. conservatism
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2017, 11:17:30 AM »
Here is what gets me about these idiot leftards who want TRUMP out of office by any means. With Trump gone, PENCE takes over....not Hillary or not any other sock puppet on the left. PENCE finishes out Trumps Term....and PENCE is more of a true conservative than Trump, he might have a RINO streak but he is still more of the genuine article than Trump.

Be Careful what you wish for.
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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2017, 05:35:25 AM »
Here is what gets me about these idiot leftards who want TRUMP out of office by any means. With Trump gone, PENCE takes over....not Hillary or not any other sock puppet on the left. PENCE finishes out Trumps Term....and PENCE is more of a true conservative than Trump, he might have a RINO streak but he is still more of the genuine article than Trump.

Be Careful what you wish for.

It moves the Dems four years closer to the White House, wouldn't it? Pence would finish Trump's (first and only) term, which would count as PENCE'S first term since more than two years and a special election are involved. He'd then be able to run on his own for a full second term.

I agree: Pence does have a RINO streak but is still far more conservative. I'm comfortable if Pence had to take over for any reason.

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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2017, 06:00:47 AM »
Here is what gets me about these idiot leftards who want TRUMP out of office by any means. With Trump gone, PENCE takes over....not Hillary or not any other sock puppet on the left. PENCE finishes out Trumps Term....and PENCE is more of a true conservative than Trump, he might have a RINO streak but he is still more of the genuine article than Trump.

Be Careful what you wish for.

Exactly.

For what it's worth; I recently ran across this article; https://patribotics.blog/2017/05/13/trumps-presidency-ended-may-9th-hatch-getting-security-briefings/
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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2017, 06:20:50 AM »
Exactly.

For what it's worth; I recently ran across this article; https://patribotics.blog/2017/05/13/trumps-presidency-ended-may-9th-hatch-getting-security-briefings/

Close reading says this ignored Pence entirely and did not explain how #4 in line jumps to #1 without him. It is also riddled with anonymous sources, which are useless in speculative garbage such as this.

 

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