Fly The Friendly Skies Of United?

Started by Solar, April 10, 2017, 04:09:46 PM

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Solar

Quote from: supsalemgr on April 13, 2017, 11:41:14 AM
"United claimed they let the computer select the names, that turned out to be a lie as well because a married couple was selected, what are the odds that a married couple would be selected randomly? I suspect odds are in the millions."

I agree with you on this. I flew much near the end of my career and learned a lot about boarding and flying. I guarantee you passengers with any kind of frequent flyer status were exempt from the "computer selection". If United did not follow this plan they are dumber than I thought. Once I retired things changed. I was Platinum Medallion on Delta. They were kind enough to drop me to "gold" the first year I did not regain status and then "silver" for two years. That airline takes care of its passengers with status.
Exactly! Just like they didn't bump any First Class passengers, they know who their regulars are.
I'd like someone to point out what law he broke. My real issue with all this is they brought in the police to strong arm a customer for no other reason than standing up for his rights as a paying customer.
Can you imagine Walmart running out of a product, you just purchased the very last one, but a "VIP" store employee wanted that product, so they alert store security to detain you at the exit while police are called.
You refuse to relinquish your hold on a product you purchased, and receipt in hand, demand to keep it, officer wrestles you to the ground, bloody your lip, rip said product from your hand and escort you from the store.

So who is in the wrong, the customer, the store, or the police? Yep, everyone but the customer.
Same scenario, only this time it's your home.
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Quote from: Solar on April 13, 2017, 12:34:16 PM
Exactly! Just like they didn't bump any First Class passengers, they know who their regulars are.
I'd like someone to point out what law he broke. My real issue with all this is they brought in the police to strong arm a customer for no other reason than standing up for his rights as a paying customer.
Can you imagine Walmart running out of a product, you just purchased the very last one, but a "VIP" store employee wanted that product, so they alert store security to detain you at the exit while police are called.
You refuse to relinquish your hold on a product you purchased, and receipt in hand, demand to keep it, officer wrestles you to the ground, bloody your lip, rip said product from your hand and escort you from the store.

So who is in the wrong, the customer, the store, or the police? Yep, everyone but the customer.
Same scenario, only this time it's your home.

I think the CEO should be replaced. He strikes me as a loose cannon. He has now made a statement that airport security/police will never remove a passenger again. How can he say that? Passengers have to be removed all the time and in 99% of the cases it is justified. He is obviously a democrat. Always looking for a distraction from the facts.
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Solar

Quote from: supsalemgr on April 13, 2017, 12:43:26 PM
I think the CEO should be replaced. He strikes me as a loose cannon. He has now made a statement that airport security/police will never remove a passenger again. How can he say that? Passengers have to be removed all the time and in 99% of the cases it is justified. He is obviously a democrat. Always looking for a distraction from the facts.
Couldn't agree more! A good CEO thinks on their feet, gives a brief statement that "the matter is extremely important and deserves the utmost care and attention in finding out the truth."
How hard was that? That's all this moron had to say, let the public settle down, let a few days pass, but nooooo, he had to throw gas on the fire. Yep, definitely a lib :lol:
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Quote from: Solar on April 13, 2017, 11:22:36 AM
United claimed they let the computer select the names, that turned out to be a lie as well because a married couple was selected, what are the odds that a married couple would be selected randomly? I suspect odds are in the millions.

It was a United Express flight, which means turboprop,
which means probably 48 passengers.

There's a 1/24 chance of selecting one of the two,
and a 1/47 chance of selecting the other one,
so 1/24x47 = 1/1128 = 0.0008865 = 0.08865%
chance of selecting those two people.

But that's assuming that only two people are being selected.
Since four were selected, the odds are roughly doubled,
and the math gets a lot more complicated.

So I'm estimating about 1/500 odds
of selecting those two people.

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Quote from: je_freedom on April 13, 2017, 08:15:54 PM
It was a United Express flight, which means turboprop,
which means probably 48 passengers.

There's a 1/24 chance of selecting one of the two,
and a 1/47 chance of selecting the other one,
so 1/24x47 = 1/1128 = 0.0008865 = 0.08865%
chance of selecting those two people.

But that's assuming that only two people are being selected.
Since four were selected, the odds are roughly doubled,
and the math gets a lot more complicated.

So I'm estimating about 1/500 odds
of selecting those two people.

Or we could do it this way:
What are the odds that neither of the two are selected?
Round one: 46/48
Round two: 45/47
Round three: 44/46
Round four: 43/47

23/24 x 45/47 x 22/23 x 43/47 =

1/24 x 45/47 x 22 x 43/47 =

11/12 x 45/47 x 43/47 = 21285/26508 = 0.8029651

So there's an 80.3% chance that neither is selected.

Now the odds that one is selected:

Round one: 47/48
Round two: 46/47
Round three: 45/46
Round four: 44/47

47/48 x 46/47 x 45/46 x 44/47

1/48 x 46 x 45/46 x 44/47 =

1/48 x 45 x 44/47 =

45/48 x 44/47 = 1980/2256 = 0.8777

.8777 - .8030 = .0747

So we end up with a 7.47% chance
of selecting both partners randomly.

(I'm still not completely sure I did that right.)
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supsalemgr

Quote from: je_freedom on April 13, 2017, 08:15:54 PM
It was a United Express flight, which means turboprop,
which means probably 48 passengers.

There's a 1/24 chance of selecting one of the two,
and a 1/47 chance of selecting the other one,
so 1/24x47 = 1/1128 = 0.0008865 = 0.08865%
chance of selecting those two people.

But that's assuming that only two people are being selected.
Since four were selected, the odds are roughly doubled,
and the math gets a lot more complicated.

So I'm estimating about 1/500 odds
of selecting those two people.

It was an Embraer regional jet whicih means 48 or about 70 passengers.
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Delta Airlines is offering nearly $10,000 to any passenger they have to bump.

QuoteDelta is letting employees offer customers almost $10,000 in compensation to give up seats on overbooked flights, hoping to avoid an uproar like the one that erupted at United after a passenger was dragged off a jet.

United is taking steps too. It will require employees seeking a seat on a plane to book it at least an hour before departure, a policy that might have prevented Sunday's confrontation.

God bless the thugs at United. Just possibly their stupidity may lead to significant improvements in customer relations. Maybe not with them, if the doctor they beat up winds up victorious in court---and he should be.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-delta-overbooking-20170414-story.html

Solar

Quote from: quiller on April 15, 2017, 04:17:59 AM
Delta Airlines is offering nearly $10,000 to any passenger they have to bump.

God bless the thugs at United. Just possibly their stupidity may lead to significant improvements in customer relations. Maybe not with them, if the doctor they beat up winds up victorious in court---and he should be.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-delta-overbooking-20170414-story.html
This is hilarious! United admitted the plane wasn't overbooked, and now they just admitted it was employees bumping paying customers.
Tell me folks, where else do we see such practices? That's right, Socialist Democracies/Communist countries, where there are two classes, the ruling elite, and everyone else.
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Today's best joke:

What food does United serve on its flights?

Take-out Asian.

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There's a reason this is news.

And the reason is because this so rarely happens.

In my opinion David Dao is an Anti-Social Scam Artist, and I have no sympathy whatsoever for his Staged Tantrum.

He's a typical Liberal; all caught up with himself. No care at all for what he put his fellow passengers through - or his wife - who did leave voluntarily.

If I were on the Jury I'd not allot him a dime.