I Am A Bernie Supporter And Lost A Bet To A Trump Supporter

[supsalemgr]

Communication. I am a second semester sophomore. We don't get to pick a focus yet. But I wanted to be a film/video director and also write screenplays when I graduated. I'm realizing now that's not probably something really practical.

My friend is majoring in accounting and plans on also minoring in management. He's planning on working for his dad when he graduates. We jokingly call him the "rich kid" in our group because he pretty much is. But I'm admittedly pretty sure that he's got it made after school.

My student debt load isn't going to be so bad. My parents are paying for most of my tuition. My college (it's a small Catholic liberal arts school) also gives a lot in grant money. I chose here over a state school for a few different reasons that aren't important to the discussion. It's more money but when you factor the grant money, my tuition isn't that much more than what a state school would cost (according to my parents).

But I'm still going to have something like $30,000 in debt when I graduate.

If you do not see the entertainment industry as a likely vocation, what is your employment goals now? I would suggest some business courses as electives because there is a business part of any industry. Also, a good goal would be to see how much under that $30,000 you can achieve.

[Coolidge23]

Why do you think the minimum wage should be raised?

Have you ever considered that the majority of minimum wage jobs require little to no skills at all.  Take fast food.  You can take pretty much anyone off the street, and teach them what they need to know to do the job in an hour or two.  Why should a job like that pay a lot of money?  Also if you raise the minim wage it adds extra costs to employers and they may not be able to afford those extra costs.  They may have to eliminate some positions.  Liberals are always talking about what's fair and they want equality.

I think you must understand what conservatives want, equality of opportunity and what liberals want, equality of outcome.  Two very different concepts.

When you're in college they fill your heads with all kinds of notions about you going out into the world and making a difference.  Rah rah go change the world!  The reality is that the world is going to change you a hell of a lot more than you will change it.  Don't get me wrong.  I think it's great that there are people that care for each other and put others needs ahead of their own.  That is very admirable.  But sooner or later you come to the realization that you have 60 maybe 80 years on this planet to enjoy yourself and be happy.  Then it sets in that it's OK to put yourself first as long as you're not an a-hole to everyone else and you might even find yourself getting pissed at others who are taking advantage of you.

You're young and naive, again not an insult.  I was the same way at that age.   It takes time and dealing with a bit of adversity/difficulty to figure out how the world really works.  Hopefully when you move out on your own and you're paying your own bills you will see how you as a working person are footing the bill for all kinds of crap that in no way even comes close to benefiting you.

[supsalemgr]

Why do you think the minimum wage should be raised?

Have you ever considered that the majority of minimum wage jobs require little to no skills at all.  Take fast food.  You can take pretty much anyone off the street, and teach them what they need to know to do the job in an hour or two.  Why should a job like that pay a lot of money?  Also if you raise the minim wage it adds extra costs to employers and they may not be able to afford those extra costs.  They may have to eliminate some positions.  Liberals are always talking about what's fair and they want equality.

I think you must understand what conservatives want, equality of opportunity and what liberals want, equality of outcome.  Two very different concepts.

When you're in college they fill your heads with all kinds of notions about you going out into the world and making a difference.  Rah rah go change the world!  The reality is that the world is going to change you a hell of a lot more than you will change it.  Don't get me wrong.  I think it's great that there are people that care for each other and put others needs ahead of their own.  That is very admirable.  But sooner or later you come to the realization that you have 60 maybe 80 years on this planet to enjoy yourself and be happy.  Then it sets in that it's OK to put yourself first as long as you're not an a-hole to everyone else and you might even find yourself getting pissed at others who are taking advantage of you.

You're young and naive, again not an insult.  I was the same way at that age.   It takes time and dealing with a bit of adversity/difficulty to figure out how the world really works.  Hopefully when you move out on your own and you're paying your own bills you will see how you as a working person are footing the bill for all kinds of crap that in no way even comes close to benefiting you.

Good post and advice.

[Solar]

One of the terms of my bet was to go on a few conservative forms like this. If you don't feel like scrolling up, the loser of our wager had to work for the other person for the rest of the week. (We're both fans of the WWE and they do this stipulation on occasion.)

I had to bring my friend coffee first this morning. And I had to bring him more coffee after his class, a bottle of water and fetch him his lunch order. I have a break now for classes and to do some homework. After dinner, I'm going to drive him to his parents' house. His dad is a huge conservative (and has listened to Rush every day for the past decade, supposedly). My friend told his dad about the wager and he naturally loves it. So I'm going to do some chores at their house and then get lectured by his father about how the government has hurt his business and how Bernie's plan would further hurt it. (He started his own business and is really successful.)

So if you have any ideas along those lines please let me know. Just living up to the terms of my bet. I shouldn't have made it but, uhm, we were drunk. But I think backing out of a bet is the worst thing a person can do. And if I won, I'd certainly be making my friend pay up.

You're a good man BS, I live by "A mans worth is his word", that's actually a core principal of Conservatism.
Listen to what his father has to say, because I'm certain he'll explain that:
"The goal of socialism is communism. - Vladimir Lenin".

What you're not hearing in the media is Bernie is essentially a communist, Fabian socialist, he hates capitalism, believes you are not entitled to your own earnings, that he and other elites should be allowed to distribute your profits to people more deserving.

[Coolidge23]

What you're not hearing in the media is Bernie is essentially a communist, Fabian socialist, he hates capitalism, believes you are not entitled to your own earnings, that he and other elites should be allowed to distribute your profits to people more deserving.

I wonder if the young people realize that when they do get a decent paying job they will show up for work on Monday and start putting in 8-10 hours a day but they won't actually be working for themselves until Friday morning with the tax rates Bernie wants to impose.

It's theft.  Plain and simple.

[taxed]

Yes.

I have always been very liberal. I think our society has too much wealth disparity right now.

How so?  How would Bernie's policies help?

I would like us to have free health care.

Why?

I think minimum wage should be raised.

Why?

I don't like how Wall Street acts.

How so?

Regarding Bernie, why would you support someone who is controlled by special interests?

[taxed]

I am here in between classes. No one really gave me what I'm looking for. I'm not brainwashed: Just adhering to the terms of a bet I made where I said I won't publicly disagree with any anti-Bernie or pro-conservative opinions for the remainder of the week.

That is your loophole to disagree with your friend.

[Billy's bayonet]

Communication. I am a second semester sophomore. We don't get to pick a focus yet. But I wanted to be a film/video director and also write screenplays when I graduated. I'm realizing now that's not probably something really practical.

My friend is majoring in accounting and plans on also minoring in management. He's planning on working for his dad when he graduates. We jokingly call him the "rich kid" in our group because he pretty much is. But I'm admittedly pretty sure that he's got it made after school.

My student debt load isn't going to be so bad. My parents are paying for most of my tuition. My college (it's a small Catholic liberal arts school) also gives a lot in grant money. I chose here over a state school for a few different reasons that aren't important to the discussion. It's more money but when you factor the grant money, my tuition isn't that much more than what a state school would cost (according to my parents).

But I'm still going to have something like $30,000 in debt when I graduate.

Here is a suggestion for you, one which might help you incorporate your desire to be a "film maker" and learn a ton about the world in it's pristine outside the USA.

Have you ever thought about going outside the USA and getting a job teaching English as a second language? Check into it, there are thousands of College age students mainly from Europe all over South East Asia, places like Thailand and Malaysia teaching ESL to locals. US and European companies like Nike, Ford etc will pay you, a native english speaker to teach their employee's english, you won;t make much, but they give you free housing and a few other little perks and the experience and knowledge you gain from an undertaking  like that would be tremendous.

Or, since you are going to a Catholic school anyhow, look into hooking up with some Missionaries going to some place like the Philippines

While in those countries you could make you own little mini documentary on just about any subject you wanted to, how about contrasting the harsh realities of socialism in a country like Cambodia with the pie in the sky promises of a shyster like Bernie?

I guarantee you one thing, you will come away from such endeavor with a much better appreciation of the USA and bless  whatever fate made you born an American.

[Dori]

I wonder if the young people realize that when they do get a decent paying job they will show up for work on Monday and start putting in 8-10 hours a day but they won't actually be working for themselves until Friday morning with the tax rates Bernie wants to impose.

It's theft.  Plain and simple.

It's slavery.  It's also a disincentive to work.  If daddy government will pay for your existence, why work for daddy government four days a week? 

[Cryptic Bert]

I am sorry if this is the wrong topic for something like this. I saw this one was really active. I posted something in the thread for newbies but thought I would try here, too.

Hi there. I am a Bernie supporter and a sophomore in college. I made a bet last week with one of the few Trump supporters in school. The terms:

1) If Bernie won Nevada and Trump won SC, it was a push. Same if both lost.

2) But if one won while the other lost, well...

I lost, obviously.

THE WAGER:

Starting at 9AM tomorrow EST, I will now work for my friend for the next 72 hours. I will be his butler/assistant/servant/etc. until Thursday morning.

We also agreed that the loser would go onto different message boards and the like for suggestions for thing I'll have to do for the next 72 hours. I already know that I'm to have coffee and a breakfast sandwich in hand, and I can expect to do a lot of laundry, scrubbing his bathroom, burn the Bernie sign I have on my door outside somewhere and things like that.

We also agreed that I'd ask for suggestions from places like this. I'm not going to just do chores. He's going to use the next few days to also expose me to "proper" thinking. I have to write a two-page book report on The Art of the Deal. But I know I'm going to have a few more things to read and listen to, also.

So fire away with anything else.

Go away.

[quiller]

Hi there. I am a Bernie supporter and a sophomore in college.

Have you dyed your hair white like the other Sandernistas?

[Cryptic Bert]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAp2hne6bmU