Chicago, America's Cesspool, got me thinking...
Isn't the Secret Service supposed to be protecting each Presidential Candidate as if he, she, or IT, were the actual President ?
So if 50 or more "Bernie Supporters" (not one of whom sported even a single Sanders sign), rushed the Stage to kill Trump, what next ?
Overwhelmed, would the SS fire ?
My Thoughts: NO.
The Secret Service is not just PC, it is impotent. They would rather be accused of incompetence than "Racism".
Has any Agent ever fired their weapon at a would-be assassin since Lincoln met Wilkes ? I think not !!
Quote from: SalemCat on March 12, 2016, 08:11:17 PM
Chicago, America's Cesspool, got me thinking...
Isn't the Secret Service supposed to be protecting each Presidential Candidate as if he, she, or IT, were the actual President ?
So if 50 or more "Bernie Supporters" (not one of whom sported even a single Sanders sign), rushed the Stage to kill Trump, what next ?
Overwhelmed, would the SS fire ?
My Thoughts: NO.
The Secret Service is not just PC, it is impotent. They would rather be accused of incompetence than "Racism".
Has any Agent ever fired their weapon at a would-be assassin since Lincoln met Wilkes ? I think not !!
You certainly sound like you want civilians shot by our government agents.
Quote from: SalemCat on March 12, 2016, 08:11:17 PM
Chicago, America's Cesspool, got me thinking...
Isn't the Secret Service supposed to be protecting each Presidential Candidate as if he, she, or IT, were the actual President ?
So if 50 or more "Bernie Supporters" (not one of whom sported even a single Sanders sign), rushed the Stage to kill Trump, what next ?
Overwhelmed, would the SS fire ?
My Thoughts: NO.
The Secret Service is not just PC, it is impotent. They would rather be accused of incompetence than "Racism".
Has any Agent ever fired their weapon at a would-be assassin since Lincoln met Wilkes ? I think not !!
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As a former Wash DC Lawman and Private Bodyguard, the last thing you do in an attack such as you saw is start firing a weapon. The strategy employed by ANY professional bodyguard is
not stand there and fight it out but to get your Principal the hell out of there as fast as you can through a predesignated route while forming a tighter defensive pattern. A moving target is harder to hit....simple.
You saw evidence of that with Trump the other day at the rally, you had his SS men surround him and were ready to get him off stage when he said "no'.
Shooting the guy would have likely resulted in innocent bystanders shot or trampled in a stampede. I am aware of NUMEROUS incidents over the years in which attacks of this type occurred with various Presidents and foreign dignitaries. It wasn't necessary to shoot anyone as they were thwarted by other less lethal means. That bespeaks of the professionalism of the SS and often the local PD's that augment the security detail.
Look at the Hinckley shooting of Reagan. The guy was overwhelmed in seconds, still with gun in hand, The President was shoved into a limo and out of the danger zone immediately, thwarting any planned attack....which it was not.... just a lone nut. THESE ARE THE HARDEST TO GUARD AGAINST in our free society. The you had "uncle" Gerry Ford, shot at twice by nutty females, squeeky Frome and Sarah Jane Moore, SS hustled him out of there the shooters were overwhelmed without lethal weapons used.
Believe me, if any force of ORGANIZED assailants tries to rush the stage with
weapons ala Anwar Sadats assassination in Egypt decades ago, they will not make it past the SS, for a lot of reasons I won't divulge tactics or weaponry used but I know such a group wouldn't have a chance.
Quote from: SalemCat on March 12, 2016, 08:11:17 PM
Chicago, America's Cesspool, got me thinking...
Isn't the Secret Service supposed to be protecting each Presidential Candidate as if he, she, or IT, were the actual President ?
So if 50 or more "Bernie Supporters" (not one of whom sported even a single Sanders sign), rushed the Stage to kill Trump, what next ?
Overwhelmed, would the SS fire ?
My Thoughts: NO.
The Secret Service is not just PC, it is impotent. They would rather be accused of incompetence than "Racism".
Has any Agent ever fired their weapon at a would-be assassin since Lincoln met Wilkes ? I think not !!
In answer to your question, yes they have, shot people. And yes they would shoot libtards dead in the situation you describe above.
They don't care who you are, their job is to protect and maintain the safety of that person.
Lots of people don't realize this, but in matters where the safety of the President is in question.
That is actually considered by our Government to be a matter of national security. And well as we all know, where a matter of national security is in question. The government has the authority to do what it must to ensure the safety and security and continuation of our Constitutional form of government here in the United States.
And that's the way it should be too.
http://www.secretservice.gov/about/history/events/
Quote from: daidalos on March 13, 2016, 07:17:29 AM
They don't care who you are, their job is to protect and maintain the safety of that person.
Lots of people don't realize this, but in matters where the safety of the President is in question.
That is actually considered by our Government to be a matter of national security.
And well as we all know, where a matter of national security is in question.
The government has the authority to do what it must
to ensure the safety and security and continuation of
our Constitutional form of government here in the United States.
It IS the duty of the Secret Service to protect the President
and candidates for President - by lethal force, if necessary,
and by less than lethal methods, if practical
(which is usually the case.)
Here is a video of the Secret Service NOT protecting the President.
As JFK's motorcade left Love Field (the Dallas airport)
the supervisor ordered the two agents
who were supposed to stand on the rear bumper of JFK's limo
to NOT take their positions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_f8
JFK assassination: Secret Service Standdown
2:55
Yeah there were all kinds of things with Kennedy they would never allow a POTUS to do today. Like riding in an open convertible like that.
Jimmy Carter as I recall gave the SS fits, after his inaugural at the Capitol, he wanted to walk down Pa avenue rather than ride in the armored Limo, he loved stopping getting out and shaking hands with the crowd when there weren't enough people on the detail to control the crowds. He refused to wear body armor and like to walk around in a crowd in his shirt sleeves.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 13, 2016, 06:13:45 PM
Jimmy Carter as I recall gave the SS fits, after his inaugural at the Capitol, he wanted to walk down Pa avenue rather than ride in the armored Limo, he loved stopping getting out and shaking hands with the crowd when there weren't enough people on the detail to control the crowds. He refused to wear body armor and like to walk around in a crowd in his shirt sleeves.
After he gave away the Canal, he's lucky somebody didn't try drowning him in it.
Quote from: quiller on March 13, 2016, 07:54:59 PM
After he gave away the Canal, he's lucky somebody didn't try drowning him in it.
I have probably mentioned this before but Jimmy got tear gassed when the Shah arrived at the WH, the Pro Shah and Anti Shah demonstrators were going berserk fighting behind the white house, tear gassed was used to dispurse them, the wind was just right and Jimmy,standing on the steps of the rear portico waiting to greet the Shah's motorcade got a face full....rumors persist that someone....probably a demonstrator..... :wink: threw a few of those cannisters over the WH fence at just the right moment. :popcorn:
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 14, 2016, 05:21:23 AM
I have probably mentioned this before but Jimmy got tear gassed when the Shah arrived at the WH, the Pro Shah and Anti Shah demonstrators were going berserk fighting behind the white house, tear gassed was used to dispurse them, the wind was just right and Jimmy,standing on the steps of the rear portico waiting to greet the Shah's motorcade got a face full....rumors persist that someone....probably a demonstrator..... :wink: threw a few of those cannisters over the WH fence at just the right moment. :popcorn:
I shook that fool's hand a week before he became Resident-elect, at the Detroit Economic Club where he was making his pitch. He was in complete shock, eyes glazed and just barely holding it together in the mob of Democrats and the media. (I met Coleman Young a few minutes later; I wanted to count my fingers after
that handshake.) Carter? Just wipe my hand on my trousers and hope it comes off in the wash....
In 1992 the vermin got right up to Reagan:
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=reagan+attacked+on+stage&view=detail&mid=11EAEE2551B82F7CEA4411EAEE2551B82F7CEA44&FORM=VIRE (http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=reagan+attacked+on+stage&view=detail&mid=11EAEE2551B82F7CEA4411EAEE2551B82F7CEA44&FORM=VIRE)
If the bearded one had a shank, even a Lexan plastic knife, the gipper would be breathing his last right then and there.
So no, I had little faith in the Secret Service then, and less now.
If any SS Agent shot or even injured an unarmed "Gentle Giant" while protecting a GOP Candidate, the agent would be fired and there would be hell to pay. IMHO.
Quote from: daidalos on March 13, 2016, 07:17:29 AM
In answer to your question, yes they have, shot people. And yes they would shoot libtards dead in the situation you describe above.
They don't care who you are, their job is to protect and maintain the safety of that person.
Lots of people don't realize this, but in matters where the safety of the President is in question.
That is actually considered by our Government to be a matter of national security. And well as we all know, where a matter of national security is in question. The government has the authority to do what it must to ensure the safety and security and continuation of our Constitutional form of government here in the United States.
And that's the way it should be too.
http://www.secretservice.gov/about/history/events/
Obama has installed his cronies into every level of Government.
Generals - Fired.
IRS - Used to attack Political Opponents.
Yet somehow the SS remains pure of heart ? Ya think ?
I'd not be surprised if there was a staged attack, where an Agent was forced to fire, and "accidentally" hit the Candidate. Nah, could never happen in America. Anyone see my tinfoil hat ?
They're under your bed, kid. They're in the bushes. Up in trees. With binoculars. :rolleyes:
Quote from: SalemCat on March 14, 2016, 03:17:41 PM
Obama has installed his cronies into every level of Government.
Generals - Fired.
IRS - Used to attack Political Opponents.
Yet somehow the SS remains pure of heart ? Ya think ?
I'd not be surprised if there was a staged attack, where an Agent was forced to fire, and "accidentally" hit the Candidate. Nah, could never happen in America. Anyone see my tinfoil hat ?
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Quote from: walkstall on March 14, 2016, 03:27:41 PM
Now I see why you do not last long on other sites.
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Low Blow, but GREAT PIC !
(but wait, there's more...)
If anything happened to a GOP Candidate, would Obama even attend the Funeral ?
As far as my very cool headgear goes, I suppose everyone believes JFK's Assassination was totally on the up-and-up. Lone Gunman, etc.
LBJ, SS, Mafia, Castro, all innocent.
But if you think JFK's demise was at all suspicious, I'll be taking Hat Orders on eBay.
Quote from: SalemCat on March 14, 2016, 03:31:29 PM
Low Blow, but GREAT PIC !
(but wait, there's more...)
If anything happened to a GOP Candidate, would Obama even attend the Funeral ?
Only IF the candidate was black.
This kid makes a firefly look like the Bat Signal.
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Quote from: walkstall on March 14, 2016, 03:38:33 PM
Only IF the candidate was black.
It's tempting to agree, but Obama would never attend (God Forbid) Doctor Ben Carson's or Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas' Funeral.
George Soros ? Barry will be there, ogling buxom European women while Michelle stews. If they're still married.
Quote from: SalemCat on March 14, 2016, 03:35:26 PM
As far as my very cool headgear goes, I suppose everyone believes JFK's Assassination was totally on the up-and-up. Lone Gunman, etc.
LBJ, SS, Mafia, Castro, all innocent.
But if you think JFK's demise was at all suspicious, I'll be taking Hat Orders on eBay.
In the 1990s, after the end of the Soviet Union,
the KGB opened up many of their files,
including the one on Lee Harvey Oswald,
covering the time he spent in the USSR.
He was on the rifle team at the factory where he worked.
The KGB file said,
"This guy is the worst shot we've ever seen."
Quote from: je_freedom on March 16, 2016, 12:53:41 AM
In the 1990s, after the end of the Soviet Union,
the KGB opened up many of their files,
including the one on Lee Harvey Oswald,
covering the time he spent in the USSR.
He was on the rifle team at the factory where he worked.
The KGB file said,
"This guy is the worst shot we've ever seen."
Da, tovarisch, the report
could also have been back-dated to deny collusion between Oswald and his Soviet handlers. They're not about to admit they helped kill the guy who made them back down over Cuba and those missiles.
First rule of Homicide investigation....find your motive and you find your suspect.
Kennedy and his Brother were put into power by the Chicago Mob, Old Man K putting the touch on his former booze partners for the Union vote. They turn around and go after the mob with a vengance ala Bobby as AG. The Mob moves billions offshore to Cuba and Kennedy lets Castro take it all.....strike two..... Marylyn....strike three.
If you are going to hit someone of that magnitude there is going to be an investigation....find the perfect patsy, not Guido or Tony or anybody who can be connected to you, find some idiot who is a loonie toons commie and been to Russia, work thru intermediaries to make him think he is doing a solid for Castro or the USSR. Have BACKUP SHOOTERS and a plan to kill the Dupe before the Cops get to him.
If that back up plan didn't work, have a Mob connected enforcer previously working for the Chicago outfit who has an 'in' with the Dallas PD for the final solution before names are named.
Eliminate your back up shooters just as a precaution......sit back....spread rumors and lies then Take Out Little Bobby a few years later.
When the Mob hits you, they make an example of you, Murder you in front of people, in front of your wife, blow your brains out so you have to go in a closed coffin....it the ultimate disgrace, it is the sign you betrayed and you were "a rat".
Sirhan B. Sirhan smacked that asshole Bobby over Pale-swine-ian issues, not the Mob's. I wuz on yr bus until then, although I'm also leaning toward Russian payback over the Missile Crisis. Is it unreasonable to point out the Russians of 1963 were scarcely out of their peasant days, and revenge an instinct not easily unlearned?
Quote from: quiller on March 16, 2016, 05:17:27 AM
Sirhan B. Sirhan smacked that asshole Bobby over Pale-swine-ian issues, not the Mob's. I wuz on yr bus until then, although I'm also leaning toward Russian payback over the Missile Crisis. Is it unreasonable to point out the Russians of 1963 were scarcely out of their peasant days, and revenge an instinct not easily unlearned?
What did Bobbie have to do with Pale Swine? As leftist as he was he'd have probably supported them. Besides he wasn't President....Yet. Some Goombah got to Sirhan and planted that seed. Again the perfect patsy.
Russia paid us back a hundred different ways without offing a US President.....Russian supply ships in Haipong Harbor being just one.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 16, 2016, 05:34:08 AM
What did Bobbie have to do with Pale Swine? As leftist as he was he'd have probably supported them. Besides he wasn't President....Yet. Some Goombah got to Sirhan and planted that seed. Again the perfect patsy.
Russia paid us back a hundred different ways without offing a US President.....Russian supply ships in Haipong Harbor being just one.
Well, if some goombah got to Sirhan and planted that seed, then why hasn't Sirhan gone on-record about that?
I agree Russia has SINCE repaid us, but remind you that AT THAT TIME the Reds were still quite Red and their mentality that of Beria or worse. (Think Trotsky's Mexican vacation, for example.) The Russians take paybacks as acts of religion.
Ian Fleming did get it correct that SMERSH did exist (today I think the FSB have Dept. 13) and assassination is NOT out of their arsenal. (London polonium poisoning, for one.)
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 16, 2016, 05:10:07 AM
First rule of Homicide investigation....find your motive and you find your suspect.
I'm not trying to poke any fun here but admit I'm intrigued at this thought process. What happens when there are equally-compelling motives and numerous suspects with uncorroborated alibis?