Not me, man!
I usually side with business, but United has some serious splainin to dooo!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph_UbZWZjDg
A video posted on Facebook late Sunday evening shows a passenger on a United Airlines flight from Chicago to Louisville being forcibly removed from the plane before takeoff at O'Hare International Airport.
The video, posted by Audra D. Bridges at 7:30 p.m. Sunday, is taken from an aisle seat on a commercial airplane that appears to be preparing to take flight. The 31-second clip shows three men wearing radio equipment and security jackets speaking with a man seated on the plane. After a few seconds, one of the men grabs the passenger, who screams, and drags him by his arms toward the front of the plane. The video ends before anything else is shown.
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2017/04/10/video-shows-man-forcibly-removed-united-flight-chicago-louisville/100274374/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin=
$800 just went 8 million.
Quote from: Bronx on April 10, 2017, 04:15:17 PM
$800 just went 8 million.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Good point!
The airline has the right to remove passengers if it chooses. They had better be prepared for the possible backlash but this is a colossal f**k up and the guy should take them to the cleaners.
I am so glad I do not fly anymore. Planes are full now and airlines continue to overbook. Of course, this was not an overbook situation, but bouncing paying customers to re-position another crew. A real PR nightmare. United has been terrible for a long time and ruined a pretty good airline when they merged with Continental.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on April 10, 2017, 09:27:36 PM
The airline has the right to remove passengers if it chooses. They had better be prepared for the possible backlash but this is a colossal f**k up and the guy should take them to the cleaners.
Yeah, it's one thing to 'accidentally' overbook, but to bump paying customers already seated and have employees take their seats is not only wrong but historically and arrogantly stupid.
"Our business is more important than you peasants and your insignificant lives"!!!
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 11, 2017, 05:03:46 AM
I am so glad I do not fly anymore. Planes are full now and airlines continue to overbook. Of course, this was not an overbook situation, but bouncing paying customers to re-position another crew. A real PR nightmare. United has been terrible for a long time and ruined a pretty good airline when they merged with Continental.
I used to fly Continental but it seemed to be a dirty airline, planes always seemed kind of secondhand dirty, like the planes only got cleaned once a day, or week, even Hughes airlines was clean, though falling apart, they were still kept clean.
United just seems to have a serious disconnect between employee to CEO, where they seem to hire automatons, people that only follow the rule book and can't think for themselves.
Who in their right mind ever thought it was a good idea to bump paying seated passengers for employees?
It appears that the plane was full and ready for takeoff, someone screwed up and sent these employees to the airport without having made the reservations, their boss says "Get them here or you're fired"! So they do as they're told, because the chain of command doesn't allow a line to a higher employee to see that this problem is remedied.
Kind of like someone charged with chartering a small plane to see that the employees get to their destination without disrupting "paying customers".
If I were the CEO, there would be a house cleaning and a thorough rewriting of the rules governing the chain of command, where every employee is given a # to call in the event of a problem and a staff of people is afforded the power to override stupidity such as this.
I hate lawsuits that glean huge monetary awards, but if it's the only way they can learn is by hitting them in the wallet, then this guy deserves a paycheck.
Quote from: Bronx on April 10, 2017, 04:15:17 PM
$800 just went 8 million.
Worse than w thought...
The company's stock value dropped as much as 6 percent in pre-market trading Tuesday, a fall that would have eliminated $1.4 billion from the company's $22.5 billion market capitalization.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/11/united-airlines-shares-fall-after-passenger-dragged-off-plane/
Jimmy Kimmel United Commercial, jump to the 4:30 mark if you want to skip the intro.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcsMqRCsq1Y
Airlines have the right and responsibility to remove anyone, for any reason from a flight.
I'm sorry, but the MSM and Youtubers have run with this in the wrong direction. It might cost United a little, but the same enforcement rules go for -ALL- airlines. If they need to get a crew to another city, and the plane is already overbooked, someone is going to be bumped, and it's not going to be airline employees.
It's a SAFETY issue - get over it. What about the other people who graciously gave up their seats, who left without a fuss? Are they suckers, or obeying the law (and compensated for it)? the Captain has the final say, he can shut down the whole she-bang - everything rests on the Captain's shoulders - that is universal with all airlines.
Would everyone have felt better if 5 minutes after take-off, the plane returned to dump this moron?
What if the police test him for drugs and find out he's on some kind of Psychotropic?
The Captain is ultimately responsible for the safety of the crew and passengers on the plane - I'll trust the Captain.
BTW... Did anyone check and see of the plane reached it's appointed destination safely? I guess the Captain made the right call, afterall.
Enough said..................... :popcorn:
United Airlines Stock Drops $1.4 Billion After Passenger-Removal Controversy
http://fortune.com/2017/04/11/united-airlines-stock-drop/
While United is getting slammed for this I think we should wait and see what the passenger's background is. These type incidents require some patience for the potential "rest of the story".
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 11, 2017, 12:46:38 PM
While United is getting slammed for this I think we should wait and see what the passenger's background is. These type incidents require some patience for the potential "rest of the story".
His background was, he bought a ticket in good faith and they beat him up when he wouldn't "volunteer" to accommodate a short-notice schedule-switch. I hope he owns them after this ends.
Calls for CEO's resignation.
David Dao, the 69-year old doctor from Kentucky who was dragged off a United Airlines flight against his will on Sunday night, has finally spoken out.
Talking to Louisville affiliate WLKY, Dao said he's recovering from his injuries in a Chicago hospital and that "everything" hurts at the moment.
Added attorney Stephen Golan, whose name will likely surface often in the weeks ahead when Dao undoubtedly sues United for a kajillion dollars:
"The family of Dr. Dao wants the world to know that they are very appreciative of the outpouring of prayers, concern and support they have received.
"Currently, they are focused only on Dr. Dao's medical care and treatment."
By now, of course, you are likely familiar with Dao's story:
He was violently removed from an aircraft at O'Hare International Airport after he refused to volunteer to give up his seat on an overbooked flight.
United had offered up to $1,000 to any individual who was willing to take a later flight to Kentucky and then randomly selected a quartet of passengers after no volunteers emerged.
After Dao refused to leave the plane, employees contacted members of the Chicago Police Department, who dragged Dao away, opening up a wound on his lip at the very least.
"He was bleeding," said passenger Jayse Anspach, one of several witnesses who filmed the ugly incident. "He hit his face when they initially dragged him off."
Dr. David Dao
Shortly after footage of the physical, one-sided confrontation (below) went viral, United Airlines CEO Oscar Munoz made things worse.
He Tweeted a lame apology that referred to Dao's removal from the plane as an example of how the company must sometimes "re-accommodate" passengers.
"Our team is moving with the sense of urgency to work with the authorities and conduct our own detailed review of what happened," Munoz added at first.
"We are also reaching out to this passenger to talk directly to him and further address and resolve the situation."
United Airlines Passenger Gets Bloodied, Bruised, Forcibly Removed from Seat
This message was not received very well by the public.
Munoz also wrote an email to employees that went viral, actually complimenting how they handled the awkward situation.
In this email, Munoz describes Dao as acting "disruptive and belligerent" while telling his staff the following:
"I emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.
"As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it become necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help."
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https://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2017/04/united-airlines-victim-everything-hurts/
http://nypost.com/2017/04/11/doctor-dragged-off-flight-convicted-of-trading-drugs-for-sex/
QuoteThe passenger hauled off a United flight is a lung doctor with a taste for gambling, a history of angry outbursts — and a conviction for trading narcotics prescriptions and cash for gay sex in motels.
....
Dao's own medical license was suspended in 2003 following his arrest on charges including unlawful prescribing and trafficking in a controlled substance.
He was accused of providing prescriptions for Vicodin and other narcotics to a former patient he later hired as his office manger, who was identified in news reports at the time as Brian Case.
The men repeatedly hooked up in motels, with Dao paying Case around $200 each time and also sharing in the drugs, according to a 130-page file compiled by the Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure.
On the day he was busted, Dao was secretly videotaped with Case in a Red Carpet Inn in Jefferson County, Ky., "with his shirt off and his pants undone," the records say.
Dao was convicted after a trial and sentenced to five years' probation after the judge agreed to suspend a prison term of two-plus years recommended by the jury.
Follow the MSM narrative, and it usually leads you down the wrong rabbit trail. This guy should have gone to prison. The rest of it, resisting authorities, and creating a media stir at the expense of United Airlines - it would appear he is working this one rather well, hoping to retire with a nice nest-egg.
Should we expect passengers, Taxi's, Amtrak, Greyhound attempting a similar "public event" - all lawyered up, ready to cash in?
Quote from: Hoofer on April 12, 2017, 09:47:35 AM
http://nypost.com/2017/04/11/doctor-dragged-off-flight-convicted-of-trading-drugs-for-sex/
Follow the MSM narrative, and it usually leads you down the wrong rabbit trail. This guy should have gone to prison. The rest of it, resisting authorities, and creating a media stir at the expense of United Airlines - it would appear he is working this one rather well, hoping to retire with a nice nest-egg.
Should we expect passengers, Taxi's, Amtrak, Greyhound attempting a similar "public event" - all lawyered up, ready to cash in?
What has any of that to do with United's bad behavior?
Not one iota of it will be allowed as evidence in court.
"Welcome to Southwest, where we beat our competitors...not our customers." - the announcer on this #Southwest flight is SAVAGE.(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9KNBUhUIAAYDCl.jpg)
Quote from: Solar on April 12, 2017, 10:19:54 AM
What has any of that to do with United's bad behavior?
Not one iota of it will be allowed as evidence in court.
You're right about that - but look at the character who's trying to make a case!
Would you have a different opinion if he went from the hospital to jail?
United was exercising their lawful right, this character was obstructing.
Do we now have a RIGHT to fly on airlines? ISIS is looking on, and loving this, and the possible outcome.
NOBODY can be removed from a flight - is that what we want as a result from a lawsuit?
Whether he sues or not - I hope,
for all our sakes, he is sent to jail.
Look at the bigger picture -
this is getting crazy, when a business cannot deny service without a lawsuit.
Quote from: Hoofer on April 12, 2017, 10:54:50 AM
You're right about that - but look at the character who's trying to make a case!
Would you have a different opinion if he went from the hospital to jail?
United was exercising their lawful right, this character was obstructing.
Do we now have a RIGHT to fly on airlines? ISIS is looking on, and loving this, and the possible outcome.
NOBODY can be removed from a flight - is that what we want as a result from a lawsuit?
Whether he sues or not - I hope, for all our sakes, he is sent to jail.
Look at the bigger picture - this is getting crazy, when a business cannot deny service without a lawsuit.
I'm going to take a wild guess here and predict that after the lawsuit has been paid United will re-evaluate how to handle a situation like this in the future. I am also going to guess that there are passengers who (after they see the settlement) will change their behavior if ever asked to be removed. There is a price to pay for United's policy of over booking, guessing one more time, it would have been cheaper to have changed it some time ago.
Quote from: Hoofer on April 12, 2017, 10:54:50 AM
You're right about that - but look at the character who's trying to make a case!
Would you have a different opinion if he went from the hospital to jail?
United was exercising their lawful right, this character was obstructing.
Do we now have a RIGHT to fly on airlines? ISIS is looking on, and loving this, and the possible outcome.
NOBODY can be removed from a flight - is that what we want as a result from a lawsuit?
Whether he sues or not - I hope, for all our sakes, he is sent to jail.
Look at the bigger picture - this is getting crazy, when a business cannot deny service without a lawsuit.
So let me see if I have this right? It's the victim's fault?
I put myself in his place and I've been there and turned down these so called deals.
I guess I might have more sympathy for the airlines, had they not lied and claimed they overbooked, when the truth is, they tried to bump paying customers for their own staff.
If it was that important, they should have chartered them a plane and ate the loss. This is a PR nightmare that was completely avoidable.
Quote from: Hoofer on April 12, 2017, 10:54:50 AM
Do we now have a RIGHT to fly on airlines?
That doctor DID had a right to be on that airplane.
He paid for that right when he bought his ticket.
And he did not forfeit that right by being belligerent.
He engaged in passive resistance
when violence was inflicted on him!
What a disaster. I was bumped from a flight once. At Heathrow. It was a Virgin Airlines flight. I wasn't on the plane but in the airport. They Refunded my money with a check. Directed me upstairs where I could cash that check if I wanted. They put me up for the night in a hotel, paid for my dinner and they flew me out the next morning for free. And I wasn't dragged anywhere.
United could learn a thing or two about how to not piss off customers.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on April 12, 2017, 11:48:20 PM
What a disaster. I was bumped from a flight once. At Heathrow. It was a Virgin Airlines flight. I wasn't on the plane but in the airport. They Refunded my money with a check. Directed me upstairs where I could cash that check if I wanted. They put me up for the night in a hotel, paid for my dinner and they flew me out the next morning for free. And I wasn't dragged anywhere.
United could learn a thing or two about how to not piss off customers.
Virgin goes to outer space. United goes to the dogs.
New video has surfaced of events leading up to the beating on this passenger by the thugs from the airline police. (Three are now suspended, pending investigation.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_x4QVZFmM0
MORE: http://time.com/4737770/united-airlines-david-dao-forced-removal-new-video/
To those who would blame this man for his past, answer me this: how would we even know it, except as a follow-up story by people trying to exonerate United?
Like I said in the beginning, the flight wasn't overbooked. United employees took precedent over paying customers.
Who runs a business like this? Liberals, that's who!
Tucked away is the admittance that United doesn't care about paying customers.
Although United has denied reports that the Chicago flight was overbooked, the incident has resulted in increased scrutiny of this common airline practice.
Then the article goes on about overbooking practices?
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-united-boarding-20170412-story.html
Quote from: je_freedom on April 12, 2017, 10:34:48 PM
That doctor DID had a right to be on that airplane.
He paid for that right when he bought his ticket.
And he did not forfeit that right by being belligerent.
He engaged in passive resistance
when violence was inflicted on him!
The airline has a right to revoke a ticket at will. Period. It may make for bad press, but it is a fact, the Captain has to right and responsibility to have any passenger or crew member removed - for whatever reason he/she feels the safety of the flight may be in jeopardized - if the airline wants to make that decision, they can live with it.
Look at the multitude of times some DRUNK businessman forces an emergency/unscheduled landing - did they have a RIGHT to fly to their destination? They PAID. This doctor was asked to leave, he refused, he resisted, and got injured while resisting - it was completely avoidable, because he was non-compliant.
Do we start saying BLM is correct, because some individual gets SHOT or KILLED, when he/she resists arrest or acts in a non-compliant manner? It's somehow "OK" to start fighing back against government authority, and not suffer for it?
"Who" has the authority to clear a flight for takeoff? The paying passengers?
Quote from: Hoofer on April 13, 2017, 10:30:29 AM
The airline has a right to revoke a ticket at will. Period. It may make for bad press, but it is a fact, the Captain has to right and responsibility to have any passenger or crew member removed - for whatever reason he/she feels the safety of the flight may be in jeopardized - if the airline wants to make that decision, they can live with it.
Look at the multitude of times some DRUNK businessman forces an emergency/unscheduled landing - did they have a RIGHT to fly to their destination? They PAID. This doctor was asked to leave, he refused, he resisted, and got injured while resisting - it was completely avoidable, because he was non-compliant.
Do we start saying BLM is correct, because some individual gets SHOT or KILLED, when he/she resists arrest or acts in a non-compliant manner? It's somehow "OK" to start fighing back against government authority, and not suffer for it?
"Who" has the authority to clear a flight for takeoff? The paying passengers?
These are leaps to justify beating a guy who paid for a ticket, which gave him a legal right to a seat on that plane.
United admitted they were bumping passengers for the benefit of their employees, the Captain had no jurisdiction, that remained with the airport authority until they relinquish control to the pilot.
How would you get a passenger off a plane that didn't want to leave? You offer them a better incentive, you find a willing customer and compensate them accordingly, but to use law enforcement to uphold company policy is beyond ludicrous.
No, this was not law, this was company policy, and I guarantee you, the next time an airline wants to bump a paying customer, not one law enforcement agency is going to back them.
Quote from: Solar on April 12, 2017, 09:21:42 PM
So let me see if I have this right? It's the victim's fault?
I put myself in his place and I've been there and turned down these so called deals.
I guess I might have more sympathy for the airlines, had they not lied and claimed they overbooked, when the truth is, they tried to bump paying customers for their own staff.
If it was that important, they should have chartered them a plane and ate the loss. This is a PR nightmare that was completely avoidable.
He as politely asked to leave on multiple occasions. He refused. He became belligerent and was forcibly removed. He made a big scene and was injured in the process, as you would expect from a non-compliant person
who was convicted for trading drugs for sex. But, being a pervert has nothing to do with this - just a notation of his character,
he has a criminal record. Other passengers were also bumped, it happens, usually they ask for volunteers, and reward them nicely for stepping aside - I don't know what happened prior to this, maybe that will come out.
If you don't like an airline, or airline practices, there are other modes of transportation, make your own choice. I've taken trains, buses & planes - and I'm not really excited about flying a United stretch-8 to Hawaii, because I'm 6'3". I couldn't even put my knees together, the seat in front of me was too close, so everytime someone walked down the aisle, they bumped into me. Did I yell and scream because they bumped me, or the seats were too small for a +6 foot person? No, I got to Hawaii safely & back - enjoyed my time there, and enduring a little inconvenience for a few hours didn't ruin the trip - a few hours in that crystal clear water, and I forgot all about it.
This Doctor said he
HAD TO GET TO HIS DESTINATION... he got to a hospital instead. I don't have an ounce of sympathy for him, sorry - and if the Captain had refused to leave the gate until the non-compliant, screaming fool of a passenger was forcibly removed, in handcuffs, unconscious, or dead - I'd still be in 100% agreement with the Captain. If you're thinking, "all they want are 100% compliant SHEEPLE flying...!" - you're damn right. If you're responsible for the safety of 100 people, your lifelong career and responsibility to your company depends on your decision - especially in this climate of terrorism ... really, it's a no-brainer, for me.
Right about now, the doctor's lawyer is working this up for a HUGE settlement. Guess where that money is going to come from?
Quote from: Solar on April 13, 2017, 10:53:37 AM
These are leaps to justify beating a guy who paid for a ticket, which gave him a legal right to a seat on that plane.
United admitted they were bumping passengers for the benefit of their employees, the Captain had no jurisdiction, that remained with the airport authority until they relinquish control to the pilot.
How would you get a passenger off a plane that didn't want to leave? You offer them a better incentive, you find a willing customer and compensate them accordingly, but to use law enforcement to uphold company policy is beyond ludicrous.
No, this was not law, this was company policy, and I guarantee you, the next time an airline wants to bump a paying customer, not one law enforcement agency is going to back them.
I'll quit on this subject with - I'm sure the Doctor will be well compensated.
Quote from: Hoofer on April 13, 2017, 11:00:03 AM
He as politely asked to leave on multiple occasions. He refused.
United claimed they let the computer select the names, that turned out to be a lie as well because a married couple was selected, what are the odds that a married couple would be selected randomly? I suspect odds are in the millions.
QuoteHe became belligerent and was forcibly removed. He made a big scene and was injured in the process, as you would expect from a non-compliant person
No, he wasn't, look at the video quiller posted, he simply stood his ground and refused to leave, as would I and a lot of other people.
Quotewho was convicted for trading drugs for sex. But, being a pervert has nothing to do with this - just a notation of his character,
he has a criminal record.
Correct, it played absolutely no part and it's only being used to take the heat of United.
QuoteOther passengers were also bumped, it happens, usually they ask for volunteers, and reward them nicely for stepping aside - I don't know what happened prior to this, maybe that will come out.
It's the entire reason people are pissed at United, some people said they have taken a better offer than a measly $800. bucks, now look what it's going to cost United for being not only cheap, but abusive to their customers.
QuoteIf you don't like an airline, or airline practices, there are other modes of transportation, make your own choice. I've taken trains, buses & planes - and I'm not really excited about flying a United stretch-8 to Hawaii, because I'm 6'3". I couldn't even put my knees together, the seat in front of me was too close, so everytime someone walked down the aisle, they bumped into me. Did I yell and scream because they bumped me, or the seats were too small for a +6 foot person? No, I got to Hawaii safely & back - enjoyed my time there, and enduring a little inconvenience for a few hours didn't ruin the trip - a few hours in that crystal clear water, and I forgot all about it.
Were you already seated, did they offer compensation?
QuoteThis Doctor said he HAD TO GET TO HIS DESTINATION... he got to a hospital instead. I don't have an ounce of sympathy for him, sorry - and if the Captain had refused to leave the gate until the non-compliant, screaming fool of a passenger was forcibly removed, in handcuffs, unconscious, or dead - I'd still be in 100% agreement with the Captain. If you're thinking, "all they want are 100% compliant SHEEPLE flying...!" - you're damn right. If you're responsible for the safety of 100 people, your lifelong career and responsibility to your company depends on your decision - especially in this climate of terrorism ... really, it's a no-brainer, for me.
What if you went to the theater and the lights are turned off, ready for the movie to start and the manager comes up and tells you they oversold, despite the front row/center seat was designated on YOUR ticket, he demands you leave because they have a VIP, a person more important than you, that wants to see the movie, how would you respond?
It really is no different, because keep in mind, this was United policy, not law, this is not FCC law, this was UNITED'S POLICY...
QuoteRight about now, the doctor's lawyer is working this up for a HUGE settlement. Guess where that money is going to come from?
Share Holders, and Rightly so!
Quote from: Solar on April 13, 2017, 11:22:36 AM
United claimed they let the computer select the names, that turned out to be a lie as well because a married couple was selected, what are the odds that a married couple would be selected randomly? I suspect odds are in the millions.
No, he wasn't, look at the video quiller posted, he simply stood his ground and refused to leave, as would I and a lot of other people.
Correct, it played absolutely no part and it's only being used to take the heat of United.
It's the entire reason people are pissed at United, some people said they have taken a better offer than a measly $800. bucks, now look what it's going to cost United for being not only cheap, but abusive to their customers.
Were you already seated, did they offer compensation?
What if you went to the theater and the lights are turned off, ready for the movie to start and the manager comes up and tells you they oversold, despite the front row/center seat was designated on YOUR ticket, he demands you leave because they have a VIP, a person more important than you, that wants to see the movie, how would you respond?
It really is no different, because keep in mind, this was United policy, not law, this is not FCC law, this was UNITED'S POLICY...
Share Holders, and Rightly so!
"United claimed they let the computer select the names, that turned out to be a lie as well because a married couple was selected, what are the odds that a married couple would be selected randomly? I suspect odds are in the millions."
I agree with you on this. I flew much near the end of my career and learned a lot about boarding and flying. I guarantee you passengers with any kind of frequent flyer status were exempt from the "computer selection". If United did not follow this plan they are dumber than I thought. Once I retired things changed. I was Platinum Medallion on Delta. They were kind enough to drop me to "gold" the first year I did not regain status and then "silver" for two years. That airline takes care of its passengers with status.
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 13, 2017, 11:41:14 AM
"United claimed they let the computer select the names, that turned out to be a lie as well because a married couple was selected, what are the odds that a married couple would be selected randomly? I suspect odds are in the millions."
I agree with you on this. I flew much near the end of my career and learned a lot about boarding and flying. I guarantee you passengers with any kind of frequent flyer status were exempt from the "computer selection". If United did not follow this plan they are dumber than I thought. Once I retired things changed. I was Platinum Medallion on Delta. They were kind enough to drop me to "gold" the first year I did not regain status and then "silver" for two years. That airline takes care of its passengers with status.
Exactly! Just like they didn't bump any First Class passengers, they know who their regulars are.
I'd like someone to point out what law he broke. My real issue with all this is they brought in the police to strong arm a customer for no other reason than standing up for his rights as a paying customer.
Can you imagine Walmart running out of a product, you just purchased the very last one, but a "VIP" store employee wanted that product, so they alert store security to detain you at the exit while police are called.
You refuse to relinquish your hold on a product you purchased, and receipt in hand, demand to keep it, officer wrestles you to the ground, bloody your lip, rip said product from your hand and escort you from the store.
So who is in the wrong, the customer, the store, or the police? Yep, everyone but the customer.
Same scenario, only this time it's your home.
Quote from: Solar on April 13, 2017, 12:34:16 PM
Exactly! Just like they didn't bump any First Class passengers, they know who their regulars are.
I'd like someone to point out what law he broke. My real issue with all this is they brought in the police to strong arm a customer for no other reason than standing up for his rights as a paying customer.
Can you imagine Walmart running out of a product, you just purchased the very last one, but a "VIP" store employee wanted that product, so they alert store security to detain you at the exit while police are called.
You refuse to relinquish your hold on a product you purchased, and receipt in hand, demand to keep it, officer wrestles you to the ground, bloody your lip, rip said product from your hand and escort you from the store.
So who is in the wrong, the customer, the store, or the police? Yep, everyone but the customer.
Same scenario, only this time it's your home.
I think the CEO should be replaced. He strikes me as a loose cannon. He has now made a statement that airport security/police will never remove a passenger again. How can he say that? Passengers have to be removed all the time and in 99% of the cases it is justified. He is obviously a democrat. Always looking for a distraction from the facts.
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 13, 2017, 12:43:26 PM
I think the CEO should be replaced. He strikes me as a loose cannon. He has now made a statement that airport security/police will never remove a passenger again. How can he say that? Passengers have to be removed all the time and in 99% of the cases it is justified. He is obviously a democrat. Always looking for a distraction from the facts.
Couldn't agree more! A good CEO thinks on their feet, gives a brief statement that "the matter is extremely important and deserves the utmost care and attention in finding out the truth."
How hard was that? That's all this moron had to say, let the public settle down, let a few days pass, but nooooo, he had to throw gas on the fire. Yep, definitely a lib :lol:
Quote from: Solar on April 13, 2017, 11:22:36 AM
United claimed they let the computer select the names, that turned out to be a lie as well because a married couple was selected, what are the odds that a married couple would be selected randomly? I suspect odds are in the millions.
It was a United Express flight, which means turboprop,
which means probably 48 passengers.
There's a 1/24 chance of selecting one of the two,
and a 1/47 chance of selecting the other one,
so 1/24x47 = 1/1128 = 0.0008865 = 0.08865%
chance of selecting those two people.
But that's assuming that only two people are being selected.
Since four were selected, the odds are roughly doubled,
and the math gets a lot more complicated.
So I'm estimating about 1/500 odds
of selecting those two people.
Quote from: je_freedom on April 13, 2017, 08:15:54 PM
It was a United Express flight, which means turboprop,
which means probably 48 passengers.
There's a 1/24 chance of selecting one of the two,
and a 1/47 chance of selecting the other one,
so 1/24x47 = 1/1128 = 0.0008865 = 0.08865%
chance of selecting those two people.
But that's assuming that only two people are being selected.
Since four were selected, the odds are roughly doubled,
and the math gets a lot more complicated.
So I'm estimating about 1/500 odds
of selecting those two people.
Or we could do it this way:
What are the odds that
neither of the two are selected?
Round one: 46/48
Round two: 45/47
Round three: 44/46
Round four: 43/47
23/24 x 45/47 x 22/23 x 43/47 =
1/24 x 45/47 x 22 x 43/47 =
11/12 x 45/47 x 43/47 = 21285/26508 = 0.8029651
So there's an 80.3% chance that neither is selected.
Now the odds that one is selected:
Round one: 47/48
Round two: 46/47
Round three: 45/46
Round four: 44/47
47/48 x 46/47 x 45/46 x 44/47
1/48 x 46 x 45/46 x 44/47 =
1/48 x 45 x 44/47 =
45/48 x 44/47 = 1980/2256 = 0.8777
.8777 - .8030 = .0747
So we end up with a 7.47% chance
of selecting both partners randomly.
(I'm still not completely sure I did that right.)
Quote from: je_freedom on April 13, 2017, 08:15:54 PM
It was a United Express flight, which means turboprop,
which means probably 48 passengers.
There's a 1/24 chance of selecting one of the two,
and a 1/47 chance of selecting the other one,
so 1/24x47 = 1/1128 = 0.0008865 = 0.08865%
chance of selecting those two people.
But that's assuming that only two people are being selected.
Since four were selected, the odds are roughly doubled,
and the math gets a lot more complicated.
So I'm estimating about 1/500 odds
of selecting those two people.
It was an Embraer regional jet whicih means 48 or about 70 passengers.
Delta Airlines is offering nearly $10,000 to any passenger they have to bump.
QuoteDelta is letting employees offer customers almost $10,000 in compensation to give up seats on overbooked flights, hoping to avoid an uproar like the one that erupted at United after a passenger was dragged off a jet.
United is taking steps too. It will require employees seeking a seat on a plane to book it at least an hour before departure, a policy that might have prevented Sunday's confrontation.
God bless the thugs at United. Just possibly their stupidity may lead to significant improvements in customer relations. Maybe not with them, if the doctor they beat up winds up victorious in court---and he should be.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-delta-overbooking-20170414-story.html
Quote from: quiller on April 15, 2017, 04:17:59 AM
Delta Airlines is offering nearly $10,000 to any passenger they have to bump.
God bless the thugs at United. Just possibly their stupidity may lead to significant improvements in customer relations. Maybe not with them, if the doctor they beat up winds up victorious in court---and he should be.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-delta-overbooking-20170414-story.html
This is hilarious! United admitted the plane wasn't overbooked, and now they just admitted it was employees bumping paying customers.
Tell me folks, where else do we see such practices? That's right, Socialist Democracies/Communist countries, where there are two classes, the ruling elite, and everyone else.
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Today's best joke:
What food does United serve on its flights?
Take-out Asian.
There's a reason this is news.
And the reason is because this so rarely happens.
In my opinion David Dao is an Anti-Social Scam Artist, and I have no sympathy whatsoever for his Staged Tantrum.
He's a typical Liberal; all caught up with himself. No care at all for what he put his fellow passengers through - or his wife - who did leave voluntarily.
If I were on the Jury I'd not allot him a dime.