Fly The Friendly Skies Of United?

Started by Solar, April 10, 2017, 04:09:46 PM

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Quote from: Hoofer on April 12, 2017, 09:47:35 AM
http://nypost.com/2017/04/11/doctor-dragged-off-flight-convicted-of-trading-drugs-for-sex/


Follow the MSM narrative, and it usually leads you down the wrong rabbit trail.   This guy should have gone to prison.   The rest of it, resisting authorities, and creating a media stir at the expense of United Airlines - it would appear he is working this one rather well, hoping to retire with a nice nest-egg.

Should we expect passengers, Taxi's, Amtrak, Greyhound attempting a similar "public event" - all lawyered up, ready to cash in?
What has any of that to do with United's bad behavior?
Not one iota of it will be allowed as evidence in court.

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Quote from: Solar on April 12, 2017, 10:19:54 AM
What has any of that to do with United's bad behavior?
Not one iota of it will be allowed as evidence in court.

You're right about that - but look at the character who's trying to make a case!

Would you have a different opinion if he went from the hospital to jail? 
United was exercising their lawful right, this character was obstructing.
Do we now have a RIGHT to fly on airlines?   ISIS is looking on, and loving this, and the possible outcome.

NOBODY can be removed from a flight - is that what we want as a result from a lawsuit?
Whether he sues or not - I hope, for all our sakes, he is sent to jail.

Look at the bigger picture - this is getting crazy, when a business cannot deny service without a lawsuit.
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Quote from: Hoofer on April 12, 2017, 10:54:50 AM
You're right about that - but look at the character who's trying to make a case!

Would you have a different opinion if he went from the hospital to jail? 
United was exercising their lawful right, this character was obstructing.
Do we now have a RIGHT to fly on airlines?   ISIS is looking on, and loving this, and the possible outcome.

NOBODY can be removed from a flight - is that what we want as a result from a lawsuit?
Whether he sues or not - I hope, for all our sakes, he is sent to jail.

Look at the bigger picture - this is getting crazy, when a business cannot deny service without a lawsuit.
I'm going to take a wild guess here and predict that after the lawsuit has been paid United will re-evaluate how to handle a situation like this in the future. I am also going to guess that there are passengers who (after they see the settlement) will change their behavior if ever asked to be removed. There is a price to pay for United's policy of over booking, guessing one more time, it would have been cheaper to have changed it some time ago.

Solar

Quote from: Hoofer on April 12, 2017, 10:54:50 AM
You're right about that - but look at the character who's trying to make a case!

Would you have a different opinion if he went from the hospital to jail? 
United was exercising their lawful right, this character was obstructing.
Do we now have a RIGHT to fly on airlines?   ISIS is looking on, and loving this, and the possible outcome.

NOBODY can be removed from a flight - is that what we want as a result from a lawsuit?
Whether he sues or not - I hope, for all our sakes, he is sent to jail.

Look at the bigger picture - this is getting crazy, when a business cannot deny service without a lawsuit.
So let me see if I have this right? It's the victim's fault?
I put myself in his place and I've been there and turned down these so called deals.
I guess I might have more sympathy for the airlines, had they not lied and claimed they overbooked, when the truth is, they tried to bump paying customers for their own staff.
If it was that important, they should have chartered them a plane and ate the loss. This is a PR nightmare that was completely avoidable.
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Quote from: Hoofer on April 12, 2017, 10:54:50 AM
Do we now have a RIGHT to fly on airlines?   

That doctor DID had a right to be on that airplane.
He paid for that right when he bought his ticket.

And he did not forfeit that right by being belligerent.
He engaged in passive resistance
when violence was inflicted on him!
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What a disaster. I was bumped from a flight once. At Heathrow. It was a Virgin Airlines flight. I wasn't on the plane but in the airport. They Refunded my money with a check. Directed me upstairs where I could cash that check if I wanted. They put me up for the night in a hotel, paid for my dinner and they flew me out the next morning for free. And I wasn't dragged anywhere.

United could learn a thing or two about how to not piss off customers.

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Quote from: The Boo Man... on April 12, 2017, 11:48:20 PM
What a disaster. I was bumped from a flight once. At Heathrow. It was a Virgin Airlines flight. I wasn't on the plane but in the airport. They Refunded my money with a check. Directed me upstairs where I could cash that check if I wanted. They put me up for the night in a hotel, paid for my dinner and they flew me out the next morning for free. And I wasn't dragged anywhere.

United could learn a thing or two about how to not piss off customers.

Virgin goes to outer space. United goes to the dogs.

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New video has surfaced of events leading up to the beating on this passenger by the thugs from the airline police. (Three are now suspended, pending investigation.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_x4QVZFmM0

MORE: http://time.com/4737770/united-airlines-david-dao-forced-removal-new-video/

To those who would blame this man for his past, answer me this: how would we even know it, except as a follow-up story by people trying to exonerate United?

Solar

Like I said in the beginning, the flight wasn't overbooked. United employees took precedent over paying customers.
Who runs a business like this? Liberals, that's who!
Tucked away is the admittance that United doesn't care about paying customers.

Although United has denied reports that the Chicago flight was overbooked, the incident has resulted in increased scrutiny of this common airline practice.

Then the article goes on about overbooking practices?

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-united-boarding-20170412-story.html
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Quote from: je_freedom on April 12, 2017, 10:34:48 PM
That doctor DID had a right to be on that airplane.
He paid for that right when he bought his ticket.

And he did not forfeit that right by being belligerent.
He engaged in passive resistance
when violence was inflicted on him!

The airline has a right to revoke a ticket at will.  Period.   It may make for bad press, but it is a fact, the Captain has to right and responsibility to have any passenger or crew member removed - for whatever reason he/she feels the safety of the flight may be in jeopardized - if the airline wants to make that decision, they can live with it.

Look at the multitude of times some DRUNK businessman forces an emergency/unscheduled landing - did they have a RIGHT to fly to their destination?  They PAID.   This doctor was asked to leave, he refused, he resisted, and got injured while resisting - it was completely avoidable, because he was non-compliant.

Do we start saying BLM is correct, because some individual gets SHOT or KILLED, when he/she resists arrest or acts in a non-compliant manner?   It's somehow "OK" to start fighing back against government authority, and not suffer for it?

"Who" has the authority to clear a flight for takeoff?   The paying passengers?
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Quote from: Hoofer on April 13, 2017, 10:30:29 AM
The airline has a right to revoke a ticket at will.  Period.   It may make for bad press, but it is a fact, the Captain has to right and responsibility to have any passenger or crew member removed - for whatever reason he/she feels the safety of the flight may be in jeopardized - if the airline wants to make that decision, they can live with it.

Look at the multitude of times some DRUNK businessman forces an emergency/unscheduled landing - did they have a RIGHT to fly to their destination?  They PAID.   This doctor was asked to leave, he refused, he resisted, and got injured while resisting - it was completely avoidable, because he was non-compliant.

Do we start saying BLM is correct, because some individual gets SHOT or KILLED, when he/she resists arrest or acts in a non-compliant manner?   It's somehow "OK" to start fighing back against government authority, and not suffer for it?

"Who" has the authority to clear a flight for takeoff?   The paying passengers?
These are leaps to justify beating a guy who paid for a ticket, which gave him a legal right to a seat on that plane.
United admitted they were bumping passengers for the benefit of their employees, the Captain had no jurisdiction, that remained with the airport authority until they relinquish control to the pilot.
How would you get a passenger off a plane that didn't want to leave? You offer them a better incentive, you find a willing customer and compensate them accordingly, but to use law enforcement to uphold company policy is beyond ludicrous.
No, this was not law, this was company policy, and I guarantee you, the next time an airline wants to bump a paying customer, not one law enforcement agency is going to back them.
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Quote from: Solar on April 12, 2017, 09:21:42 PM
So let me see if I have this right? It's the victim's fault?
I put myself in his place and I've been there and turned down these so called deals.
I guess I might have more sympathy for the airlines, had they not lied and claimed they overbooked, when the truth is, they tried to bump paying customers for their own staff.
If it was that important, they should have chartered them a plane and ate the loss. This is a PR nightmare that was completely avoidable.

He as politely asked to leave on multiple occasions.  He refused.  He became belligerent and was forcibly removed.  He made a big scene and was injured in the process, as you would expect from a non-compliant person who was convicted for trading drugs for sex.  But, being a pervert has nothing to do with this - just a notation of his character,
he has a criminal record.
   Other passengers were also bumped, it happens, usually they ask for volunteers, and reward them nicely for stepping aside - I don't know what happened prior to this, maybe that will come out.

If you don't like an airline, or airline practices, there are other modes of transportation, make your own choice.  I've taken trains, buses & planes - and I'm not really excited about flying a United stretch-8 to Hawaii, because I'm 6'3".  I couldn't even put my knees together, the seat in front of me was too close, so everytime someone walked down the aisle, they bumped into me.   Did I yell and scream because they bumped me, or the seats were too small for a +6 foot person?  No, I got to Hawaii safely & back - enjoyed my time there, and enduring a little inconvenience for a few hours didn't ruin the trip - a few hours in that crystal clear water, and I forgot all about it.

This Doctor said he HAD TO GET TO HIS DESTINATION... he got to a hospital instead.   I don't have an ounce of sympathy for him, sorry - and if the Captain had refused to leave the gate until the non-compliant, screaming fool of a passenger was forcibly removed, in handcuffs, unconscious, or dead - I'd still be in 100% agreement with the Captain.   If you're thinking, "all they want are 100% compliant SHEEPLE flying...!" - you're damn right.  If you're responsible for the safety of 100 people, your lifelong career and responsibility to your company depends on your decision - especially in this climate of terrorism ... really, it's a no-brainer, for me.

Right about now, the doctor's lawyer is working this up for a HUGE settlement.   Guess where that money is going to come from?
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Quote from: Solar on April 13, 2017, 10:53:37 AM
These are leaps to justify beating a guy who paid for a ticket, which gave him a legal right to a seat on that plane.
United admitted they were bumping passengers for the benefit of their employees, the Captain had no jurisdiction, that remained with the airport authority until they relinquish control to the pilot.
How would you get a passenger off a plane that didn't want to leave? You offer them a better incentive, you find a willing customer and compensate them accordingly, but to use law enforcement to uphold company policy is beyond ludicrous.
No, this was not law, this was company policy, and I guarantee you, the next time an airline wants to bump a paying customer, not one law enforcement agency is going to back them.

I'll quit on this subject with - I'm sure the Doctor will be well compensated.
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Quote from: Hoofer on April 13, 2017, 11:00:03 AM
He as politely asked to leave on multiple occasions.  He refused.
United claimed they let the computer select the names, that turned out to be a lie as well because a married couple was selected, what are the odds that a married couple would be selected randomly? I suspect odds are in the millions.

 
QuoteHe became belligerent and was forcibly removed. He made a big scene and was injured in the process, as you would expect from a non-compliant person
No, he wasn't, look at the video quiller posted, he simply stood his ground and refused to leave, as would I and a lot of other people.
Quotewho was convicted for trading drugs for sex.  But, being a pervert has nothing to do with this - just a notation of his character,
he has a criminal record.
Correct, it played absolutely no part and it's only being used to take the heat of United.
 
QuoteOther passengers were also bumped, it happens, usually they ask for volunteers, and reward them nicely for stepping aside - I don't know what happened prior to this, maybe that will come out.
It's the entire reason people are pissed at United, some people said they have taken a better offer than a measly $800. bucks, now look what it's going to cost United for being not only cheap, but abusive to their customers.

QuoteIf you don't like an airline, or airline practices, there are other modes of transportation, make your own choice.  I've taken trains, buses & planes - and I'm not really excited about flying a United stretch-8 to Hawaii, because I'm 6'3".  I couldn't even put my knees together, the seat in front of me was too close, so everytime someone walked down the aisle, they bumped into me.   Did I yell and scream because they bumped me, or the seats were too small for a +6 foot person?  No, I got to Hawaii safely & back - enjoyed my time there, and enduring a little inconvenience for a few hours didn't ruin the trip - a few hours in that crystal clear water, and I forgot all about it.
Were you already seated, did they offer compensation?

QuoteThis Doctor said he HAD TO GET TO HIS DESTINATION... he got to a hospital instead.   I don't have an ounce of sympathy for him, sorry - and if the Captain had refused to leave the gate until the non-compliant, screaming fool of a passenger was forcibly removed, in handcuffs, unconscious, or dead - I'd still be in 100% agreement with the Captain.   If you're thinking, "all they want are 100% compliant SHEEPLE flying...!" - you're damn right.  If you're responsible for the safety of 100 people, your lifelong career and responsibility to your company depends on your decision - especially in this climate of terrorism ... really, it's a no-brainer, for me.

What if you went to the theater and the lights are turned off, ready for the movie to start and the manager comes up and tells you they oversold, despite the front row/center seat was designated on YOUR ticket, he demands you leave because they have a VIP, a person more important than you, that wants to see the movie, how would you respond?
It really is no different, because keep in mind, this was United policy, not law, this is not FCC law, this was UNITED'S POLICY...

QuoteRight about now, the doctor's lawyer is working this up for a HUGE settlement.  Guess where that money is going to come from?

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Quote from: Solar on April 13, 2017, 11:22:36 AM
United claimed they let the computer select the names, that turned out to be a lie as well because a married couple was selected, what are the odds that a married couple would be selected randomly? I suspect odds are in the millions.

  No, he wasn't, look at the video quiller posted, he simply stood his ground and refused to leave, as would I and a lot of other people.
 
Correct, it played absolutely no part and it's only being used to take the heat of United.
  It's the entire reason people are pissed at United, some people said they have taken a better offer than a measly $800. bucks, now look what it's going to cost United for being not only cheap, but abusive to their customers.

Were you already seated, did they offer compensation?

What if you went to the theater and the lights are turned off, ready for the movie to start and the manager comes up and tells you they oversold, despite the front row/center seat was designated on YOUR ticket, he demands you leave because they have a VIP, a person more important than you, that wants to see the movie, how would you respond?
It really is no different, because keep in mind, this was United policy, not law, this is not FCC law, this was UNITED'S POLICY...

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"United claimed they let the computer select the names, that turned out to be a lie as well because a married couple was selected, what are the odds that a married couple would be selected randomly? I suspect odds are in the millions."

I agree with you on this. I flew much near the end of my career and learned a lot about boarding and flying. I guarantee you passengers with any kind of frequent flyer status were exempt from the "computer selection". If United did not follow this plan they are dumber than I thought. Once I retired things changed. I was Platinum Medallion on Delta. They were kind enough to drop me to "gold" the first year I did not regain status and then "silver" for two years. That airline takes care of its passengers with status.
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