Do you have to be the same race?

[DaisyJane]

40-50 years after the Civil Rights movement, set asides, quotas, affirmative action, etc., do you have to be the same race to be a police officer?

I would never be one to say that black people got a fair shake in the past.  They sure didn't always.  I never thought it was a good idea to punish others for it, though.  Like promoting or hiring lesser candidates in the place of a white person.  FAIR is all that should be asked.  Fair and equal access to opportunity can't be argued by any.  Punishing innocent people has to stop.

It has to stop in jobs, college admittance, housing, and everywhere it exists.  The people of today don't deserve to be punished for what others did in the past.  Much of those people are no longer in power.  Blacks need to stop blaming others and accept personal responsibility.  THEN, and only then, will they be taken seriously by others.  No white people are oppressing them not to go to school, impregnating them in their teens, getting them in trouble with the law, etc.  Gimme doesn't work.  Rioting, looting, etc. isn't the way to get what you want.  Working hard, getting educated, being responsible enough NOT to bring children into the world you're not ready for, obeying the law, did I say working hard?  We get what we have mostly by working our butts off.  I never collected a penny that I didn't earn.  Most people aren't born rich.

Do you have to be black to police black people?  I don't think so.  I don't care what the race of any police officer is.  I would be just darn glad to see him/her when I needed them.  Stop with the bad attitudes.  Most police officers are great people.  Most of us don't want to do their job. 

I could go on and on in a stream of consciousness!  No one seems to have the cojones to tell the real truth.  You get what you put into life.  No one wants the sob story anymore.  Oh, my great great great double great grandpa was a slave.  SO what?  None of my Irish immigrant relatives had a damn thing to do with it.  Neither I nor my family oppressed anyone.  We worked our arses off to have what we have.  We took the "free" public education system and used it to get further in life.  We didn't have kids when we were 15.  We never got in trouble with the law.  That's IT.  Quit your BI-ITCHING and just do what the rest of us did to have a decent quality of life.

DaisyJane     

[supsalemgr]

40-50 years after the Civil Rights movement, set asides, quotas, affirmative action, etc., do you have to be the same race to be a police officer?

I would never be one to say that black people got a fair shake in the past.  They sure didn't always.  I never thought it was a good idea to punish others for it, though.  Like promoting or hiring lesser candidates in the place of a white person.  FAIR is all that should be asked.  Fair and equal access to opportunity can't be argued by any.  Punishing innocent people has to stop.

It has to stop in jobs, college admittance, housing, and everywhere it exists.  The people of today don't deserve to be punished for what others did in the past.  Much of those people are no longer in power.  Blacks need to stop blaming others and accept personal responsibility.  THEN, and only then, will they be taken seriously by others.  No white people are oppressing them not to go to school, impregnating them in their teens, getting them in trouble with the law, etc.  Gimme doesn't work.  Rioting, looting, etc. isn't the way to get what you want.  Working hard, getting educated, being responsible enough NOT to bring children into the world you're not ready for, obeying the law, did I say working hard?  We get what we have mostly by working our butts off.  I never collected a penny that I didn't earn.  Most people aren't born rich.

Do you have to be black to police black people?  I don't think so.  I don't care what the race of any police officer is.  I would be just darn glad to see him/her when I needed them.  Stop with the bad attitudes.  Most police officers are great people.  Most of us don't want to do their job. 

I could go on and on in a stream of consciousness!  No one seems to have the cojones to tell the real truth.  You get what you put into life.  No one wants the sob story anymore.  Oh, my great great great double great grandpa was a slave.  SO what?  None of my Irish immigrant relatives had a damn thing to do with it.  Neither I nor my family oppressed anyone.  We worked our arses off to have what we have.  We took the "free" public education system and used it to get further in life.  We didn't have kids when we were 15.  We never got in trouble with the law.  That's IT.  Quit your BI-ITCHING and just do what the rest of us did to have a decent quality of life.

DaisyJane     

You hit the nail on the head with "personal responsibility". I grew up in the South in 50's and I saw how the Black community was treated badly. I asked my Dad why my best friend at six did not go to my school. His family lived behind us and his mother was a housekeeper for us. I was told, "that is just the way it is right now". However, my eating at his house and him eating at our house was the norm. I am gratefu theyl took that approach and they were not flaming libs. Things have changed significantly over the past 50+ years. Opportunity to succeed  is equal and so is the opportunity to fail. That is not limited by race. Do some of all races have more to overcome than others, of course, but that does not remove the opportunity.

In my view, the dem/libs and the race industry do everything possible to convince the Black folks they are deprived by design. That is why Black conservatives are denigrated by this crowd because it ruins their narrative. I have had the pleasure of working with a number of Black men who have been quite successful. To the person, they have told me they have faced resentment in their community because of their success. That is sad.

[TboneAgain]

40-50 years after the Civil Rights movement, set asides, quotas, affirmative action, etc., do you have to be the same race to be a police officer?

I would never be one to say that black people got a fair shake in the past.  They sure didn't always.  I never thought it was a good idea to punish others for it, though.  Like promoting or hiring lesser candidates in the place of a white person.  FAIR is all that should be asked.  Fair and equal access to opportunity can't be argued by any.  Punishing innocent people has to stop.

It has to stop in jobs, college admittance, housing, and everywhere it exists.  The people of today don't deserve to be punished for what others did in the past.  Much of those people are no longer in power.  Blacks need to stop blaming others and accept personal responsibility.  THEN, and only then, will they be taken seriously by others.  No white people are oppressing them not to go to school, impregnating them in their teens, getting them in trouble with the law, etc.  Gimme doesn't work.  Rioting, looting, etc. isn't the way to get what you want.  Working hard, getting educated, being responsible enough NOT to bring children into the world you're not ready for, obeying the law, did I say working hard?  We get what we have mostly by working our butts off.  I never collected a penny that I didn't earn.  Most people aren't born rich.

Do you have to be black to police black people?  I don't think so.  I don't care what the race of any police officer is.  I would be just darn glad to see him/her when I needed them.  Stop with the bad attitudes.  Most police officers are great people.  Most of us don't want to do their job. 

I could go on and on in a stream of consciousness!  No one seems to have the cojones to tell the real truth.  You get what you put into life.  No one wants the sob story anymore.  Oh, my great great great double great grandpa was a slave.  SO what?  None of my Irish immigrant relatives had a damn thing to do with it.  Neither I nor my family oppressed anyone.  We worked our arses off to have what we have.  We took the "free" public education system and used it to get further in life.  We didn't have kids when we were 15.  We never got in trouble with the law.  That's IT.  Quit your BI-ITCHING and just do what the rest of us did to have a decent quality of life.

DaisyJane     

You're digging in deep and sensitive and dangerous ground. The issue of civil rights, specifically as it applies to race, has never been fairly and honestly debated in the public sphere. The entire debate that has taken place has been an unending series of lies, half-truths, and misrepresentations.

In modern times, it started with the enactment of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Detractors in Congress -- mostly southern Democrats -- believed the bill would lead to racial quotas in employment, college admissions, etc. Supporters said otherwise... or almost said otherwise. Consider Democrat Hubert Humphrey's words, as he spoke on the floor of the Senate on April 9, 1964:

If the Senator can find in Title VII ... any language which provides that an employer will have to hire on the basis of percentage or quota related to color, race, religion, or national origin, I will start eating the pages one after another, because it is not in there.

Did he explicitly say the Act would not lead to racial quotas? No. What he said was that the language of the bill did not specifically institute quotas. But the implication that quotas were not in the offing was what was needed to get the bill passed. What he did not say -- what he dared not say -- was that racial quotas were always the intent of the bill, and that the bill was carefully written so that employers and colleges would have no choice but to institute quotas. For an excellent article on this subject, I encourage you to check out HOW THE 1964 CIVIL RIGHTS ACT MADE RACIAL GROUP ENTITLEMENTS INEVITABLE by Lawrence Auster.

My point is that the debate -- a true debate, a serious assessment -- has never taken place. It has always been lies and subterfuge and cheap politics, right from the beginning. That's why there's such a mess in Ferguson, MO today. That's why Trayvon Martin. That's why Eric Holder, the Attorney General of the United States, speaks of 'my people,' comfortable with the fact that you ain't one of his people.

[DaisyJane]

You are absolutely correct that an honest discussion has never been had.

No one has had the guts to say what needs to be said, instead of pandering to the "poor me" way of thinking.  Sure, it's a whole lot easier to fan the flames of "life isn't fair."  Okay, now work hard, play by the rules, and you'll have a decent life.  That would be the RIGHT, KIND, LOVING, thing to do.  Isn't it basically what our parents had to say to us?  They cycle of poverty and entitlement mentality gets you NOWHERE.  Waiting for life to be fair gets you exactly NOWHERE.  Dropping out of school, getting pregnant when you're too young, and getting in trouble gets you exactly the same place - NOWHERE. 

Saying it's someone else's fault leads NOWHERE.  Waiting for someone to GIVE you something fails every time you try it.  How has electing the first 1/2 black President has gotten you WHERE?  Listening to Al Sharpton tell you that you are oppressed leads to ..............Al Sharpton still getting money.

Sorry, but there is no honest discussion.  And it is to the detriment of all.

DaisyJane     

[Billy's bayonet]

My last year or two on the force I sat on a few hiring boards. I was told to hire minorities, I have no problem with that, I found many candidates I liked, most were ex military a few were prison guards and a few were college grads...problem was the upper echelon didn;t like the ones I picked, they wanted me to hire lacklusters that were somehow connected to the higher ups in someway.

So being me I hired the ones I wanted and shit canned the others as unfit......
Its one reason I never got promoted to Captain....

I always thought the Police depts should reflect the community it serves, Washington DC was about 70% black and the dept had about  50% black, there were other minorities such as Hispanics, but also Asians, Mostly Chinese but some Thai and Japanese.

The problem was that they lowered the hiring standards and started hiring people with criminal records over the well qualified as my previous example shows. The other problem
was they hired lots of people with no Military experience. when I was sworn in their was a tradition in the Dept of Military service. Every single recruit in my class of 73 was ex military
about half US Army the other half Marines and a few US Navy.

One more thing before I shut up, in lots of cases Black people dislike Black Police officers more than white so just because a Police Officer is Black he isn't necessarily more effective than a white officer.

[keyboarder]

I want to be careful not to seem racist but if it comes off that way, then call me a racist-I could really care less. 

I, too, grew up in the south from the late 40's on to now.  I saw a south that did not treat blacks well.  I rode the city bus to town with Mom and I asked her why those folks had to sit at the back of the bus, why there were signs at water fountains designating who could partake of them, and why we had one day a week that blacks could go to the annual fair.  Also why they couldn't eat at lunch counters or any other place frequented by whites and why they had schools that they could attend away from the white population, and on and on are the examples of what I called strange and undesirable.  Mom told me that it was the way things were here.  She'd probably had a different answer if that were us being treated so badly. 

The situation heated up during the sixties.  Blacks got a few rights and well they should.  Enter the likes of Jesse and Al and other like-minded folks and the whole picture changed.  Suddenly, everything changed and we were told that we needed to make reparations to these people.  Mind you now, I was never responsible for the mistreatment of any of these people and it was never more clear to me what was going on than it was in my workplace.

  All of a sudden, the plants that I worked in were seemingly more inclined to hire unqualified workers than they had in the past.  Usually plants hired according to your ability to perform certain jobs or by your training you deemed yourself a good candidate for on-the-job training.  You needed to at least be able to read and write and follow instructions as would have been  determined by your having earned a high school diploma or
more.  Here is my point.   Say you are working on one of several production machines all located in close proximity.  Also that the workers are equally distributed as far as quotas go.  Ok, say that the output on each machine is set to produce a desired number and all workers are fully trained to do the job.  Why will one person consistently get bad numbers?  Why is there no reprimands for low output?  Why is everyone else depended upon to help that person obtain the desired numbers?  I have often felt as though my paycheck was short because i was doing my job and helping another worker get their job done-regularly.  If I complained, I was told that we had to work together.  Funny how that person that was being helped never was required to help someone else.  The thing I learned from this was that I was getting my stuff done too quickly and the smarter way to work was to always be behind.  Well, that was a far cry from the training I got way back when.

  Same way in the labs I worked in too.  Those jobs required more than high school and I have often suspected that lies were told about meeting educational requirements because of the lack of critical thinking on some of the tasks to be performed.  Common core was here way before it was given a name because it seemed that any answer was ok when you had to mix up a formula for flame retardent, that is until you got a bunch of customer complaints or somebody got blown away.

The same situation will be applied to the folks coming in from the border and I can tell you from the mess in the 60's this country will be decimated by such an influx of people into our already fragile economy.  People who are needy for jobs, security, the barest of essentials.  Mind you, the difference is these folks were made needy in their own country, not ours as in the case of the blacks.  We have weathered the storm of disenfranchised blacks only to be faced with another
problem of the same, but not quite the same.  The problem we are faced with now is a whole heap different from the least of the problem-that being the fact that a different language is used by these people.  You can't just slide these people into our society as if they were quick studies.  Think about it, it never was about helping these poor old people.  It involves a different agenda than what we are being told. 

I'll stop here, as I get too darned mad to go further into it.

[daidalos]

You hit the nail on the head with "personal responsibility". I grew up in the South in 50's and I saw how the Black community was treated badly. I asked my Dad why my best friend at six did not go to my school. His family lived behind us and his mother was a housekeeper for us. I was told, "that is just the way it is right now". However, my eating at his house and him eating at our house was the norm. I am gratefu theyl took that approach and they were not flaming libs. Things have changed significantly over the past 50+ years. Opportunity to succeed  is equal and so is the opportunity to fail. That is not limited by race. Do some of all races have more to overcome than others, of course, but that does not remove the opportunity.

In my view, the dem/libs and the race industry do everything possible to convince the Black folks they are deprived by design. That is why Black conservatives are denigrated by this crowd because it ruins their narrative. I have had the pleasure of working with a number of Black men who have been quite successful. To the person, they have told me they have faced resentment in their community because of their success. That is sad.

I've had a similar experience. And it's more than just sad, it's ass backwards. Instead of holding these folks up as an example within their community, they instead choose to live on the Government plantation where getting hand outs means you willingly become a slave for the government. Doing what it says, when it says, how it says to do it.