Autopsy Shows Michael Brown Was Struck at Least 6 Times

[Dr. Meh]

Giles is just being a typical racist. His racism renders him unable to think clearly and rationally. His loyalty is to his race and race alone. Race trumps all other areas of life including his loyalty to country, justice, and humanity. This is why "pro-woman" Oprah stabbed Hillary in the back and endorsed b.o. Decades of supporting women go out the window the second race plays a role. Colin Powell did the same thing with his endorsement. That's why b.o. got nearly 100% of the black vote.

Racists like giles only care about the advancement of their own race and will demonize and villify anyone who says anything to the contrary regardless of what the facts indicate. If anyone calls him on his racist b.s., he just turns around and calls you a racist. Classic projection.

You can't trust a racist like giles. When the chips are down, he's siding with race over any other variable. I guarantee that IF he didn't vote for b.o. (big IF), he certainly struggled with the decision simply because of his race. What should be a slam-dunk not a chance in heck vote was a struggle for him.

[LibDave]

Of course he could have shot him in the arm because he's a piss poor shot.

And perhaps he hit exactly what he was aiming at.  Non-lethal shots to the right side away from the heart.

You people alway believe the police because right now they're just shooting blacks. It's only when the show in white neighborhoods shooting whites - and they will - will it dawn on you that public workers with guns are not to be trusted. Right now they're avoiding the Ruby Ridges and the Wacos, but the potential is always there.

I am not at all a fervent supporter of your run-of-the-mill police officer.  But what are we to do.  It is a thankless and dangerous job, for little pay,  And I am glad they are serving instead of me.  They do a dangerous and important job and we owe them AT LEAST the same level of due process we all enjoy, if not "benefit of the doubt".
    You seem to be of the impression that "you people" haven't been on the receiving end of less than stellar treatment by the police.  The vast majority of ALL of us have had our share of run-ins with what we considered rude, arrogant, power-crazed police suffering from a hefty dose of small penis syndrome.  If you want to discuss that I suggest you submit a post about run-ins with the police.  You would likely get as many non-whites as blacks agreeing with you.  Due to the racial history of our nation Blacks just mistakenly attribute this to race as they have a tendency to do with many sources of irritation.  It might surprise you to learn that non-blacks are rude, inconsiderate and mistreat other non-blacks too.  We just don't attribute it to race.  Some people are just mean nasty unhappy and even cruel people.
    That said, the repercussions and scrutiny received by police officers following any shooting (let alone the use of deadly force) are anything but pleasant.  No police officer can enjoy the stress of the post-incident investigation.  We are far from the point where police officers routinely just go around shooting innocent citizens off-hand for no reason; especially in broad daylight in a hostile neighborhood.  This assertion doesn't hold water.
    We have already seen many supposed "FACTS" from the Ferguson community which have been demonstrably shown to be COMPLETE fabrications of the truth.  Michael Brown was ANYTHING BUT a fine upstanding young "gentle giant" of a boy who wouldn't hurt a flea, with a healthy respect for the law in the throws of leading a virtuous life.  He was fast on his way to trouble as the store video (not in dispute) clearly indicates.  He was a very large and dangerous thug of a full grown man.  His family obviously fell short of their responsibility to instill in him any sense of decency or self-restraint.
    So while I might agree with you it would be nice to see a higher caliber of public servant across-the-board, in this case I believe the race-baiters and agitators have picked a very poor example of police misconduct.  Even so I believe the interest of the public is served by having a complete, fair and open investigation into the man's death.  The public has the right to know.  So lets look at the actual FACTS as we know them to this point...

[LibDave]

FACTS:
   

• Michael Black (MB) A very large, imposing, 18 year old thug with a propensity for violence entered a convenience store and strong-armed a store clerk as he blatantly stole items from the store ON CAMERA IN FRONT OF WITNESSES.  One of those witnesses accompanied him to the store, was his best friend and has confirmed the identity of himself and MB.  MB even gave him some of the stolen items which his friend refused to take (at least his friend has some sense).
  
• 1 minute later a call went out to the police informing them of the robbery.
• At this same moment a patrolman pulls up beside these same 2 men while they are walking in the middle of a residential street and asks them to get out of the street so they don't block traffic.  The patrolman was unaware of the nearby robbery incident at that time (though the perpetrator obviously was).  The officer was met with the same type of belligerence, and aggression MB exhibited at the convenience store 1 minute earlier.
• The patrolman pulled over to the side of the street to confront the men as the report of the robbery is dispatched over the radio with a description of the suspects fitting that of MB and his friend.
• As the officer gets out of the car MB strong-arms him, shoving him back into the car and punches him in the face.  As the officer is being assaulted he attempted to draw his firearm.  MB attempts but fails to wrangle the officers gun from him.
  
• At least 1 shot is fired from inside the car possibly grazing MB in the arm and/or grazing him on the right side of the chest before exiting.
• MB and his friend begin to run and are pursued by the officer who orders them to freeze.  They stop at a distance of approximately 35 feet.

None of this is disputed and has been confirmed by MB's own friend as well as other witnesses.  What happened next is not entirely clear.  Much of the witness testimony has yet to be released.  For the most part what has been put out is conjecture and derived from unreliable sources who didn't actually witness the incident.  MB's friend at this point claims MB and he raised their arms in surrender with their backs to the officer who supposedly shot MB from behind.  Several other witnesses have apparently stated that while MB did initially stop and appear to surrender that he then proceeded to turn, hurl insults, taunt the officer, dare the officer to shoot him, and then charge or "bum-rush" him.  This apparently supports the officer's statement but has yet to be confirmed by authorities due to the Constitutional rights of the officer should there be charges.  But lets examine the forensic evidence released....

[AndyJackson]

I still harbor a fondness for Giles, at least the 90% of him that's rational and seemingly conservative.  He's got a terrible blind spot of about 10% that identifies with the nonsense of Jackson-Rangel-Sharpton.

Not sure how that kind of bi-polar or split personality works, but hopefully he can reconcile it.  I'm sure it's painful to feel that you have to be part of social or cultural imperative, when you know it's 100% wrong on the facts and evidence.

He's eaten crow on Trayvon, and is about to enjoy a big plate full on the Brown episode.

Sad thing is we all know that there are indeed examples of racism and racist violence out there.  But to jump up and down with the crowd on these 2 incidents, is embarrassing and foolish.  Especially for someone who's supposed to fit in with the honesty, common sense, and logic at CPF.

[TboneAgain]

They're saying 2 bullets exited then re-entered. They're counting those as 2 separate shots. Shot 6 times, two that struck arm went clean through and entered torso. Shot 8 times. Would make sense if it was a 6-shot duty revolver........... the 8 shot explanation was driving me crazy.

I think the chances are pretty slim that the officer was carrying a revolver. It is a rare cop these days who doesn't pack a semi-auto in 9mm or .40 caliber, either of which typically holds many more than six rounds.

[AndyJackson]

FACTS:
   

• Michael Black (MB) A very large, imposing, 18 year old thug with a propensity for violence entered a convenience store and strong-armed a store clerk as he blatantly stole items from the store ON CAMERA IN FRONT OF WITNESSES.  One of those witnesses accompanied him to the store, was his best friend and has confirmed the identity of himself and MB.  MB even gave him some of the stolen items which his friend refused to take (at least his friend has some sense).
  
• 1 minute later a call went out to the police informing them of the robbery.
• At this same moment a patrolman pulls up beside these same 2 men while they are walking in the middle of a residential street and asks them to get out of the street so they don't block traffic.  The patrolman was unaware of the nearby robbery incident at that time (though the perpetrator obviously was).  The officer was met with the same type of belligerence, and aggression MB exhibited at the convenience store 1 minute earlier.
• The patrolman pulled over to the side of the street to confront the men as the report of the robbery is dispatched over the radio with a description of the suspects fitting that of MB and his friend.
• As the officer gets out of the car MB strong-arms him, shoving him back into the car and punches him in the face.  As the officer is being assaulted he attempted to draw his firearm.  MB attempts but fails to wrangle the officers gun from him.
  
• At least 1 shot is fired from inside the car possibly grazing MB in the arm and/or grazing him on the right side of the chest before exiting.
• MB and his friend begin to run and are pursued by the officer who orders them to freeze.  They stop at a distance of approximately 35 feet.

None of this is disputed and has been confirmed by MB's own friend as well as other witnesses.  What happened next is not entirely clear.  Much of the witness testimony has yet to be released.  For the most part what has been put out is conjecture and derived from unreliable sources who didn't actually witness the incident.  MB's friend at this point claims MB and he raised their arms in surrender with their backs to the officer who supposedly shot MB from behind.  Several other witnesses have apparently stated that while MB did initially stop and appear to surrender that he then proceeded to turn, hurl insults, taunt the officer, dare the officer to shoot him, and then charge or "bum-rush" him.  This apparently supports the officer's statement but has yet to be confirmed by authorities due to the Constitutional rights of the officer should there be charges.  But lets examine the forensic evidence released....

Simply put, it appears that Michael Brown was on a roll of feeling big and bad, maybe magnified by being high, and maybe made worse by being just a dopey 18 year-old, sadly a condition of all teens of every color and culture.

He started by throwing a little store owner around, and taking his stuff.

He then was stopped by a cop almost randomly, but decided that his size and attitude would scare the cop just like the storeowner.

It appears that he started by rushing the car, beating the cop and trying to get his gun.  Apparently a shot was fired or just went off, and Brown thought twice and started to retreat.

But then he appears to have gone back to 'beast mode' and decided to give the cop another run.  Which ended up badly for him.

All of the evidence collected so far is pointing to this.

Sadly, it's a pretty good re-run of the Trayvon story.  Slightly different set of characters, but almost the same roles and series of events.

[AndyJackson]

I think the chances are pretty slim that the officer was carrying a revolver. It is a rare cop these days who doesn't pack a semi-auto in 9mm or .40 caliber, either of which typically holds many more than six rounds.

Yeah, cops don't do revolvers any more.  Maybe their second weapon, but not primary.

They went to semi-auto high-capacity because they were outgunned badly by the criminals, starting in the 80's.  No chief would allow his people to carry a revolver today (primary weapon), it's just a dumb thing to do.

I remember switching from the old .38's to the 9mm in the Air Force, around 1985.  All police depts. were doing the same, at that time.  They've graduated to 10mm and .40 auto, now.  It was funny, there was a massive glut of the old .38's being sold to dealers for pennies on the dollar.  Should have bought about 50 of them lol, but I didn't.

[carlb]

People should stay focused on the TOPICS and not tear other forum members apart because they split with you on maybe 3%! In other words, make it EASY to bring them around, not drive them away.

Giles is just being a typical racist. His racism renders him unable to think clearly and rationally. His loyalty is to his race and race alone. Race trumps all other areas of life including his loyalty to country, justice, and humanity. This is why "pro-woman" Oprah stabbed Hillary in the back and endorsed b.o. Decades of supporting women go out the window the second race plays a role. Colin Powell did the same thing with his endorsement. That's why b.o. got nearly 100% of the black vote.

Racists like giles only care about the advancement of their own race and will demonize and villify anyone who says anything to the contrary regardless of what the facts indicate. If anyone calls him on his racist b.s., he just turns around and calls you a racist. Classic projection.

You can't trust a racist like giles. When the chips are down, he's siding with race over any other variable. I guarantee that IF he didn't vote for b.o. (big IF), he certainly struggled with the decision simply because of his race. What should be a slam-dunk not a chance in heck vote was a struggle for him.

[AndyJackson]

Sometimes you have to point up outrageous behaviors and BS.

I like the guy.  Doesn't make nonsense...."not nonsense".

[carlb]

Just heard the Democrat/Communist Party has set up a registration booth right next to a memorial for the thug/teen/child. Dems are so damb predictable.

[AndyJackson]

Probably turn into a big fund raiser as well.  If every rampaging thug can just scrape 100$ out of their drug profits.....they can probably scrape up a couple million for Hillary.

[carlb]

Turns out more than a dozen witnesses have verified the cop's "story." I doubt that will be good enough for some.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/08/19/more-than-a-dozen-witnesses-back-up-cops-version-of-ferguson-shooting-police-sources-say-139709

[LibDave]

Review the anatomical diagrams closely with an open mind.

    MB was struck by precisely 6 bullets (no more no less).  2 were retrieved from his body (in the head) with the fatal shot being the one entering the cranium from the top of the head straight down into the brain.  The remaining 4 were grazing wounds to the right arm and hand; 1 of which also entered then sub-dermally exited the right pectoral region.  None of the wounds in the arm or hand could have also been attributable to the cranial injuries.  None of the rounds which struck the right arm could have attributed to more than one of the arm wounds.  So he was hit with EXACTLY 6 rounds.
    No scrapes were found on his hands but asphalt scrapes were found on the right cheek clearly indicating MB fell and impacted the asphalt face-first without bracing his fall with enough momentum to slide across the asphalt.  Only the 2 head wounds would have rendered MB unconscious.  The fact that these 2 wounds entered from the top and momentum was sufficient to cause MB to SLIDE face first on the asphalt clearly indicates MB was moving at a fairly good speed toward the officer with his head down.  There is NO POSSIBILITY or any other explanation for the forensic evidence.
    None of the arm wounds could have been caused AFTER the fatal head wound as MB was lying face down on the asphalt.  Grazing wounds to the inside of the arm were not accessible.  Looking at the post-incident video the victims head is clearly towards the patrol car and officer with his arms down at his side.
    Examine each of the 6 wounds starting from the hand up to the head.
1.  The wound to the hand could only have been inflicted back to front if MB's hand was down at his side not raised.  The trajectory followed the line of the thumb at the base pad.  You cannot align this pad with the hand raised without placing your hand palm inwards with the hand fully 1 foot behind your shoulders.  Try it yourself, not possible and a very awkward position to place your hand.
2.  The wound to the inside of the forearm could have come from the front or behind, arm raised or arm down.  In all cases the palms would be facing inward at the time the wound occurred.
3.  This shot could not have come from behind since it grazed the front of the upper forearm just below the elbow.  You cannot face this part of your anatomy rearward.
4.  This shot grazed the front of the upper arm then entered the right pectoral region, continued just under the skin and exited in front of the pectoral muscle.  This shot is the only shot which entered from the side.  As a result it might have been the first wound inflicted during the confrontation in the patrol car.  The trajectory was slightly below horizontal indicating MB's right side was facing the gun leaning slightly toward the gunshot.  It could not have been delivered from a great distance as this would require the gun to be fired from above the officers head.
5.  This shot entered the forehead just above the right eyebrow, destroyed the eye's orbital, continued through the head, exited under the jaw and then penetrated through to the clavicle where it was retrieved at autopsy.  This was a top down shot.  MB's head was down facing the shooter when it occurred.
6.  This was the only fatal shot and either the last or 2nd to last shot fired (possibly just before shot 5).  It was fired from the top down and instantly fatal.  MB's head was down when this wound was inflicted, PERIOD.  The asphalt scrapes to the face and the video at the scene is STRONG evidence his head was down and he was approaching the officer at a pretty good clip when wounds 5 and 6 occurred.

    You will note that 4 of the 6 wounds COULD NOT HAVE come from behind.  1 of the 2 remaining (the palm wound) did not occur with hands raised.  Only 1 could have come from behind with arm raised.  If we are to believe this 1 wound was inflicted from back to front with hands raised this would mean we are also to believe MB's reaction to being fired upon and grazed in the forearm was to turn and charge at an armed and drawn officer from 35 feet away.  I find this highly improbable and very hard to believe.  Even if this was MB's reaction, this in-and-of-itself would be cause for the use of deadly force on behalf of the officer.  It would certainly get my attention if I shot someone in the arm 35 feet away arms raised only to have him turn and charge me.

    Looking at everything as a whole it is completely inconceivable to believe charges should be leveled against this officer.  The shooting was obviously justified and MB was responsible for his unfortunate demise.  He was a large imposing thug headed for no good with no respect for the law who suffered the price for his lack or moral upbringing.

    The race baiters have once again chosen a poor example to use for their preconceived political motivation.  I don't dispute there is a lot of poor law enforcement which occurs.  But this is NOT such an example and justice demands this officer be left in peace to come to terms emotionally with what MB forced upon him.

    As a side note it is interesting to note his friend (the one who refused to take the stolen items MB gave him in the store) was not injured in any way.  Apparently he had more sense than MB and is alive as a result.  Are we to believe the officer unloaded on MB and yet left his companion completely unharmed.  Why target MB yet not his companion?  The answer:  "His friend wasn't acting like a fool".

[Solar]

Review the anatomical diagrams closely with an open mind.

    MB was struck by precisely 6 bullets (no more no less).  2 were retrieved from his body (in the head) with the fatal shot being the one entering the cranium from the top of the head straight down into the brain.  The remaining 4 were grazing wounds to the right arm and hand; 1 of which also entered then sub-dermally exited the right pectoral region.  None of the wounds in the arm or hand could have also been attributable to the cranial injuries.  None of the rounds which struck the right arm could have attributed to more than one of the arm wounds.  So he was hit with EXACTLY 6 rounds.
    No scrapes were found on his hands but asphalt scrapes were found on the right cheek clearly indicating MB fell and impacted the asphalt face-first without bracing his fall with enough momentum to slide across the asphalt.  Only the 2 head wounds would have rendered MB unconscious.  The fact that these 2 wounds entered from the top and momentum was sufficient to cause MB to SLIDE face first on the asphalt clearly indicates MB was moving at a fairly good speed toward the officer with his head down.  There is NO POSSIBILITY or any other explanation for the forensic evidence.
    None of the arm wounds could have been caused AFTER the fatal head wound as MB was lying face down on the asphalt.  Grazing wounds to the inside of the arm were not accessible.  Looking at the post-incident video the victims head is clearly towards the patrol car and officer with his arms down at his side.
    Examine each of the 6 wounds starting from the hand up to the head.
1.  The wound to the hand could only have been inflicted back to front if MB's hand was down at his side not raised.  The trajectory followed the line of the thumb at the base pad.  You cannot align this pad with the hand raised without placing your hand palm inwards with the hand fully 1 foot behind your shoulders.  Try it yourself, not possible and a very awkward position to place your hand.
2.  The wound to the inside of the forearm could have come from the front or behind, arm raised or arm down.  In all cases the palms would be facing inward at the time the wound occurred.
3.  This shot could not have come from behind since it grazed the front of the upper forearm just below the elbow.  You cannot face this part of your anatomy rearward.
4.  This shot grazed the front of the upper arm then entered the right pectoral region, continued just under the skin and exited in front of the pectoral muscle.  This shot is the only shot which entered from the side.  As a result it might have been the first wound inflicted during the confrontation in the patrol car.  The trajectory was slightly below horizontal indicating MB's right side was facing the gun leaning slightly toward the gunshot.  It could not have been delivered from a great distance as this would require the gun to be fired from above the officers head.
5.  This shot entered the forehead just above the right eyebrow, destroyed the eye's orbital, continued through the head, exited under the jaw and then penetrated through to the clavicle where it was retrieved at autopsy.  This was a top down shot.  MB's head was down facing the shooter when it occurred.
6.  This was the only fatal shot and either the last or 2nd to last shot fired (possibly just before shot 5).  It was fired from the top down and instantly fatal.  MB's head was down when this wound was inflicted, PERIOD.  The asphalt scrapes to the face and the video at the scene is STRONG evidence his head was down and he was approaching the officer at a pretty good clip when wounds 5 and 6 occurred.

    You will note that 4 of the 6 wounds COULD NOT HAVE come from behind.  1 of the 2 remaining (the palm wound) did not occur with hands raised.  Only 1 could have come from behind with arm raised.  If we are to believe this 1 wound was inflicted from back to front with hands raised this would mean we are also to believe MB's reaction to being fired upon and grazed in the forearm was to turn and charge at an armed and drawn officer from 35 feet away.  I find this highly improbable and very hard to believe.  Even if this was MB's reaction, this in-and-of-itself would be cause for the use of deadly force on behalf of the officer.  It would certainly get my attention if I shot someone in the arm 35 feet away arms raised only to have him turn and charge me.

    Looking at everything as a whole it is completely inconceivable to believe charges should be leveled against this officer.  The shooting was obviously justified and MB was responsible for his unfortunate demise.  He was a large imposing thug headed for no good with no respect for the law who suffered the price for his lack or moral upbringing.

    The race baiters have once again chosen a poor example to use for their preconceived political motivation.  I don't dispute there is a lot of poor law enforcement which occurs.  But this is NOT such an example and justice demands this officer be left in peace to come to terms emotionally with what MB forced upon him.

    As a side note it is interesting to note his friend (the one who refused to take the stolen items MB gave him in the store) was not injured in any way.  Apparently he had more sense than MB and is alive as a result.  Are we to believe the officer unloaded on MB and yet left his companion completely unharmed.  Why target MB yet not his companion?  The answer:  "His friend wasn't acting like a fool".

To fill in the blanks.
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/news-board/witness-speaks-about-ferguson-shooting/

[AndyJackson]

It's a cut & dry, open & shut case.

Waiting to be deliberately confused to appease a special group.