Ask this at Starbucks!

[Béal Feirste]

PC doesn't mean being rude.  PC, by nature, is polite and honest.

It seems to me PC means speaking one's mind without regard to the feelings of another. I was trying to be respectful and others were rude to me, the excuse of PC was used and I returned the favour. Now if you want me to be respectful I can do that but if you want me to speak my mind without regards to others I can do that as well. Billy was making a number of assumptions I knew to be untrue and I found that to be arrogant and insulting so I spoke my mind. 

[taxed]

It seems to me PC means speaking one's mind without regard to the feelings of another.

No.  non-PC means being honest, but you can be polite.  For example, not being PC doesn't mean you tell your girl she looks fat when she asks you how a new pair of jeans looks on her.  You can tactfully and politely tell someone that black murders are performed by other blacks, or that Islam is a suppressive cult.  Not being PC means not tip-toeing around one's self-indoctrinated need to be offended.

I was trying to be respectful and others were rude to me,

Where?

the excuse of PC was used and I returned the favour. Now if you want me to be respectful I can do that but if you want me to speak my mind without regards to others I can do that as well. Billy was making a number of assumptions I knew to be untrue and I found that to be arrogant and insulting so I spoke my mind.

Again, being non-PC doesn't mean being a jerk.  You can be a jerk, as long as you're injecting some sort of intellectual substance.  And again, you are a child compared to Billy's knowledge on this subject, so don't hang yourself out there too much.

You're welcome here for as long as you want to stay, but if you put out some liberal BS, don't clutch your pearls when one of us takes out a meat cleaver and lops it off.

[supsalemgr]

But I disagree, you see this is free publicity. The CEO makes a controversial comment that puts his company in the news and all over the Internet. There is backlash but the left will rally to support Starbucks and he can quickly change gears by pledging to instead hire veterans if he needs to. Worst case scenario a boycott won't go beyond the shores of the U.S. as Starbucks is multinational, thus Starbucks might be hurt but not badly.   I just pledged not to be PC, I will speak my mind.

Any backlash in the US will be negative for Starbucks. No question the left will stick with them. However, there are many on the right who think for themselves and can find another place to get coffee. You may not understand the "silent majority" in the US, but it is present and effective. Just look at the recent elections.

[walkstall]

Any backlash in the US will be negative for Starbucks. No question the left will stick with them. However, there are many on the right who think for themselves and can find another place to get coffee. You may not understand the "silent majority" in the US, but it is present and effective. Just look at the recent elections.

Or what's go on with the Target stores and there restrooms. 

[Billy's bayonet]

Yeah you see I don't need to, I'm just old enough to remember the last of the IRA car bombs, the kneecappings, and the UVF retaliatory executions, I have something of an idea of what terrorism is like. My parents have a far more intimate idea of what terrorism is like, I'm thinking you don't. Not all fanatics are from the middle east. I ask a simple, respectful question and I expect to get a simple, respectful response, don't insult me.

I was being respectful, you are the one who made an ass of yourself in more ways than one.
Now if you want to talk about insults I am highly offended when some jerk off from Ireland or Swaziland or where ever suggests that MY FELLOW VETERANS WHO FOUGHT AND BLED FOR THIS COUNTRY take a back seat or even sit in the same pew as a bunch of third world 'refugee's' most of whom aren't even refugee's but INFILTRATORS. WHERE THE FUCK DOES IT SAY YOU GET TO MAKE SUCH ASININE STATEMENTS ABOUT OUR COUNTRY, Based on what? Your experience?....Gobshite!

You think what you or your parents experienced in Ireland is anything like what is going on in the Middle east? The Third World? Unless you have been to a third world country racked by conflict particularly Muslim Christian/Buddhist/Hindu conflict you have no clue. That is why I suggest to anyone go where I have been, see what I have seen and know what I know. That is why I NEVER MAKE ASSUMPTIONS but deal with FACTS that I have seen firsthand.

My first experience with terrorism was in Vietnam when I saw a ten year old kid roll a hand grenade under a jeep killing two Vietnamese MP's, when I returned to the USA I spent 25 years in Law Enforcement in Washington DC, I saw hundreds of murders/shootings committed by inner city drug gangs that are worse than any terrorist act in Belfast. I saw our country being taken over by Foreign criminal gangs like MS 13. I've been to about thirty different countries, working in security, teaching either the National Police, Their Military or private security. Such third world Muslim conflicted countries as East Timor, Philippines, Indonesia, Thailand etc etc. I think I know what I'm talking about, the people who paid me top dollar for my skills thought so too.

Your opinion is welcome on this board, but expect to get smack upside the head when your ignorance and naivety shows

[zewazir]

If I choose to damn the feelings of American veterans, don't complain. They get no extra respect from me, respect is earned.

Military veterans are people who deliberately choose to put their lives on the line in order to defend their home land and fellow citizens from the evil that currently pervades this world. They are citizens who willing leave spouses and children, pets, friends and homes behind, knowing full well there is a chance they will never come back from some useless POS hellhole halfway around the globe they get deployed to. If that is not worthy of your respect, then I have to wonder what DOES "earn" your respect?

Especially when you compare them to people whose only claim to fame is the fact they skeedaddled out of their country when things got tough.

[Béal Feirste]

Especially when you compare them to people whose only claim to fame is the fact they skeedaddled out of their country when things got tough.

Lucky we did, without the Irish where would America have gotten it's infrastructure? Should hire more of us, we're great at building walls.

Again, being non-PC doesn't mean being a jerk.  You can be a jerk, as long as you're injecting some sort of intellectual substance.  And again, you are a child compared to Billy's knowledge on this subject, so don't hang yourself out there too much.

I will apologize if anybody can explain how this:

You really want a coffee made by some illiterate, sheep molesting, wipe your ass with the left hand only and use sand to clean it, scabious, lice infested, possibly TB infected,snot running down the nose ignorant third world grease bag who would actually like to rape any western female between the ages of 1 to 95 and blow you to pieces with a pressure cooker bomb, Mohammadan?

has any intellectual substance. Some of the less savoury loyalists have made similar comments about nationalists, so I take such insults to religion more personally than one might otherwise expect in the States. I do not mind if you attack my free market beliefs or my opinions on healthcare, or my opinions on the EU, but I will respond to attacks on race or religion. To all veterans I would also ask one to consider what it might be like to be on the other-side side of a solider's gun, many in the British Army colluded with loyalist paramilitary (terrorist) groups, so I ask you to understand when I sa I don't instantly have respect for veterans.   
However, I will apologize for going off topic, I posted with the desire to learn more about this and I allowed my emotions to derail the thread.

Any backlash in the US will be negative for Starbucks. No question the left will stick with them. However, there are many on the right who think for themselves and can find another place to get coffee. You may not understand the "silent majority" in the US, but it is present and effective. Just look at the recent elections.

It could be negative but I think any CEO at the head of a public corporation needs to be familiar with cost/benefit. He would not blatantly go against his own self-interest and he wouldn't have a job if he did. Plus look at the President, free publicity can be advantageous, America is a pretty big country, millions who would rally to support Starbucks just because of a political cause.

[walkstall]

America is a pretty big country, millions who would rally to support Starbucks just because of a political cause.

The CEO of Target found that there cause would not be back.   

[taxed]

Lucky we did, without the Irish where would America have gotten it's infrastructure? Should hire more of us, we're great at building walls.

How would we have ever managed.  I wouldn't have been born here probably, however.  Good lord, thank goodness...

I will apologize if anybody can explain how this:has any intellectual substance. Some of the less savoury loyalists have made similar comments about nationalists, so I take such insults to religion more personally than one might otherwise expect in the States. I do not mind if you attack my free market beliefs or my opinions on healthcare, or my opinions on the EU, but I will respond to attacks on race or religion. To all veterans I would also ask one to consider what it might be like to be on the other-side side of a solider's gun, many in the British Army colluded with loyalist paramilitary (terrorist) groups, so I ask you to understand when I sa I don't instantly have respect for veterans.   
However, I will apologize for going off topic, I posted with the desire to learn more about this and I allowed my emotions to derail the thread.

Noone cares about your religion or race, whitey.  It is also yet to be seen that you're a free marketeer.

It could be negative but I think any CEO at the head of a public corporation needs to be familiar with cost/benefit.

I'll go on a limb and assume the guy who grew Starbucks to the monster that it is today understands something about business, as Marxist as he may be.

He would not blatantly go against his own self-interest and he wouldn't have a job if he did. Plus look at the President, free publicity can be advantageous, America is a pretty big country, millions who would rally to support Starbucks just because of a political cause.

He doesn't want to piss off the country.

[Béal Feirste]

The CEO of Target found that there cause would not be back.

This Target? http://intl.target.com/

Noone cares about your religion or race, whitey.  It is also yet to be seen that you're a free marketeer.

Good to know! And I am far more of a free-marketeer than the conservatives in Britain/Ireland, as for the conservatives in the U.S., I have yet to see.

[taxed]

This Target? http://intl.target.com/Good to know! And I am far more of a free-marketeer than the conservatives here, as for the conservatives in the U.S., I have yet to see.

The American one.

[Billy's bayonet]

I will apologize if anybody can explain how this:has any intellectual substance. Some of the less savoury loyalists have made similar comments about nationalists, so I take such insults to religion more personally than one might otherwise expect in the States. I do not mind if you attack my free market beliefs or my opinions on healthcare, or my opinions on the EU, but I will respond to attacks on race or religion. To all veterans I would also ask one to consider what it might be like to be on the other-side side of a solider's gun, many in the British Army colluded with loyalist paramilitary (terrorist) groups, so I ask you to understand when I sa I don't instantly have respect for veterans.   

Oh so your an intellectual....

Perhaps if you took my suggestion to get on a plane and go to some of these cat litter box third world hell holes and see the perfection of humanity in it's pristine it wouldn't need explaining. This may surprise you but there is a world outside of Ireland the E/U, but at the rate these so called refugee's are tearing certain European countries apart you may wish to hurry up on your fact finding junket.

As to the rest of your rant, it didn;t take long until you showed your true leftist colors, you marxists show your contempt for verterans and the military faster than your contempt for the rule of law.

[Solar]

Oh so your an intellectual....

Perhaps if you took my suggestion to get on a plane and go to some of these cat litter box third world hell holes and see the perfection of humanity in it's pristine it wouldn't need explaining. This may surprise you but there is a world outside of Ireland the E/U, but at the rate these so called refugee's are tearing certain European countries apart you may wish to hurry up on your fact finding junket.

As to the rest of your rant, it didn;t take long until you showed your true leftist colors, you marxists show your contempt for verterans and the military faster than your contempt for the rule of law.

Maybe they can get Starbucks to give them all a job?

[Béal Feirste]

Oh so your an intellectual....

Perhaps if you took my suggestion to get on a plane and go to some of these cat litter box third world hell holes and see the perfection of humanity in it's pristine it wouldn't need explaining. This may surprise you but there is a world outside of Ireland the E/U, but at the rate these so called refugee's are tearing certain European countries apart you may wish to hurry up on your fact finding junket.

As to the rest of your rant, it didn;t take long until you showed your true leftist colors, you marxists show your contempt for verterans and the military faster than your contempt for the rule of law.

And you American soldiers think you're entitled to everything: countries, lives, taxpayer money, respect, how ironic you call me a Marxist. I funded myself through school, I work hard to earn my keep and unless you make quite a lot of money I pay taxes that are higher than yours. How many of your paychecks came from taxpayers? Your job training? Your solider's pension? They pay for a solider's health care right? (you seem to think that is socialist for some reason although only an American would think that). And you call anybody that believe's in the free-market, who bothers to earn an actual living a leftist. A true conservative, love's the free-market until your benefits are at risk,  free-market is wonderful as long as there isn't too much labour competition, until your company loses it's subsidies. At least my socialist friends are honest about the money they want to take from taxpayers. Heh, and your rule of law? Please, Northern Ireland's crime rate pales in comparison to America and it's gone down since the army withdrew. Sticking a gun into someone's face and carting them off to some hellhole prison doesn't end crime.

[taxed]

And you American soldiers think you're entitled to everything: countries, lives, taxpayer money, respect, how ironic you call me a Marxist. I funded myself through school, I work hard to earn my keep and unless you make quite a lot of money I pay taxes that are higher than yours. How many of your paychecks came from taxpayers? Your job training? Your solider's pension? They pay for a solider's health care right? (you seem to think that is socialist for some reason although only an American would think that). And you call anybody that believe's in the free-market, who bothers to earn an actual living a leftist. A true conservative, love's the free-market until your benefits are at risk,  free-market is wonderful as long as there isn't too much labour competition, until your company loses it's subsidies. At least my socialist friends are honest about the money they want to take from taxpayers. Heh, and your rule of law? Please, Northern Ireland's crime rate pales in comparison to America and it's gone down since the army withdrew. Sticking a gun into someone's face and carting them off to some hellhole prison doesn't end crime.

No, sweetheart.  Tax dollars are supposed to go to our military and defense.  This is not socialist.  You seem to be confused.

Second, you don't know who makes what.

I have to ask, what do you do for a living?  What is your degree in?