Why the leftists' sudden interest in affairs of the church?

[red_dirt]

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With the indulgence of the forum, I'd like to comment further on these issues, issues I originally raised in the "US Constitution" thread. There is no way to get away from the 1st Amendment connection to all of this, but the issues go beyond our guaranteed rights, as the following post attempts to show.
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On this question to leftist intellectuals and their pawns, "Why the sudden interest in affairs of the church? What is this interest in religion in general all about?"  In the past, the left has shown no interest in the Christian religion at all, other than the occasional barbs as religion as superstition, and certainly no interest in church affairs. Yet, suddenly we have this ground swell of interest in church policy on the part of the left wing. Why?

Yes,  the question is rhetorical. We know the left's interest is not in theology, nor is it in social policy. The left has an agenda, and the more it can convince the world that America is "unfair," the more to its advantage can it leverage the opinions. It should come as no surprise, then, that the church should have its turn in the barrel. The left has never shown anything but disdain for America, her people and her institutions. Why should the church get off any easier than the rest of the  nation?

The left has already established its religious alternative to the God of Abraham and the Gospel of Jesus. That alternative comes in the form of hallucinogenic spiritualism; Tarot, Rastafarianism, seances, and the other form of communion with familiar" spirits.  Karl Marx and Sigmund Freud were two most famous  intellectuals who walked the tight line between genius and insanity, frequently vacillating between the two. Marx's description of  religion is a great example, as he made  the connection between spirituality (i.e., narcotics,) religion, and the social structure. His choices, as usual, were the wrong ones.  Marx was a communist, need we say more?

Truly religious Americans are not persuaded by leftist "theology," as witnessed by the mass exodus of Lutherans and Presbyterians following  the church redefinition of gender to include a third, or maybe a fourth, fifth, and sixth. Denominations which have not allowed themselves to be drawn off base be the left include Mormons, Catholics, and many of the  Evangelical. The bad news for the left is when main line Protestantism has finally been conquered, the congregations will have vanished.

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[kroz]

Good points Red_dirt.

There is definitely method to their madness.  And if we of faith sit back and do nothing, we play into their hands.

Even the Pope recently said that Christians should start standing up for biblical truths regardless of the consequences.

[Solar]

Red, is that yours or is there a link you could provide? Thanks.

[red_dirt]

The question and the synthesis are my own, coming from an ongoing study that asks, as a former attendee going back many of the years of my life,  "How did the main line Protestant denominations arrive at the present state?"  How is it possible to become the nation's fastest shrinking denomination over a period of great population growth and great  interest in church?

It occurred to me that a mixture of hypocrisy, leftist infiltration, the growth of leftist political thought, well intentioned liberal duping, well meaning blundering, drug use, delusion, deceit and any number of additional factors might have all conspired to turn the Presbyterian church into the national joke it is today. That, and the simple fact that organizations inevitably become political job patronage  schemes that need shaking up from time to time.

I follow the demise and antics of Presbyterianism through two sources:

http://www.layman.org/

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I have asked the question, "Who have been the principal players in leading the
denomination down the road to insignificance?"  Go to the following site and
search Fred Holper, director of curriculum, McCormack Seminary, Chicago.
Jeremiah Wright would have fit right in.  The good thing about this is that these
are all archived issues, nothing under the table. Presbyterian leadership simply
walked right into it, many times feeling they were doing the right thing.

http://www.presbyterianmission.org/

Search that site to ask: What do Presbyterians believe about ordination  — Presbyterians Today Magazine — Mission and Ministry — Presbyterian Mission Agency.htm

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I can rightly call that post original and grant permission to the public domain.

[red_dirt]

Even the Pope recently said that Christians should start standing up for biblical truths regardless of the consequences.

I can testify from personal experience that there are Catholics who still fight the Reformation. They can be found sending money to the IRA,  heeling the wards of Boston, Philadelphia, and New York.
They are rejects, outcasts, sociopaths, who no self respecting Catholic wants anything to do with. That, in  an nutshell, is why 50% of America's "Irish" now vote GOP, and why we cannot let the GOP fail.