Author Topic: Two Views on Islam.  (Read 1641 times)

Offline Yawn

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Re: Two Views on Islam.
« Reply #15 on: December 25, 2012, 07:54:19 PM »
Patriot doesn't understand "evil" as God defines evil.  Satan is a god. He IS the god of this world.  His goal was to replace God, and he has (at least at this time--until Christ's return).

Satan wants to be worshiped.  Just because you're not committing crimes doesn't make you "good."  If you follow the way of Satan and if you're worshiping him (even thinking you're worshiping the true God), he's done his job.  Satan can be "good" too.  His sin was his desire to replace God, and the vast majority of Mankind worship him unknowingly. Yeshua spoke of His LITTLE flock. The true Church was and is a SMALL group of believers.  If you belong to a cult with a billion followers, you are likely following another god. Satan is not just the god of Islam.  He takes many forms--even among those who do good works.

Ask yourself if you have rejected His Sabbath--the one "Jesus" and the apostles observed for SUNday.  Have you rejected HIS Passover, Pentecost, Trumpets, Atonement and Tabernacles (Succot) for "Christmas (Saturnalia), Easter (Ishtar) and other christianized pagan festivals?  If so, then you are following a DIFFERENT god than the Father, who Yeshua came to reveal--the one the apostles and prophets served.

Satan is more powerful than you think. He has the VAST majority deceived, because Satan can be a "good" god too. But he's a counterfeit.

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Re: Two Views on Islam.
« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2012, 08:48:46 PM »
The only real difference is that faith implies trust and trustworthiness.

In our culture, many have bought into the Enlightenment fallacy that "only what you can prove is true."  This simply isn't the case.  You cannot prove anything without "faith" in bedrock principles by which you offer proof.

In ancient Hebrew culture, "knowledge" was personal and not objective (hence the euphemism "to know" to mean sex).  I know someone--I have nothing I have to prove about that person.  This is actually core to Christianity--that Jesus did not claim to know or have the truth; he claimed to be the truth.  I may not be able to prove something about Jesus or even comprehend everything about him; but I can know him.

Am I correct in that you are stating that the only real  difference between FAITH and KNOWLEDGE (the words which you seem to be deliberately omitting because even on its face it is actually STUPID to claim they are anywhere close to being the same is that faith implies trust and trustworthiness.

Yours is an obvious attempt to obfuscate the issue which is: FAITH is NOT synonymous with KNOWLEDGE. The statement that FAITH implies trust and trustworthiness is correct.....but so is an irrelevant statement to the issue that humans are not apples.

Let's examine your other efforts at skullduggery in the form of semantical obfuscation and/or VIOLATION OF OBJECTIVE FACTS.

I, nor any intelligent person is claiming that: ""only what you can prove is true."  You are deliberately setting up an obvious "strawman" that you deviously want me to accept so that you can proceed to obfuscate YOUR SIMPLE AND RATHER STUPID ERROR IN ASSUMING THAT "FAITH" IS SYNONYMOUS WITH "KNOWLEDGE" !!!

Yes, I am familiar with the archaic use of the Hebrew word "know" ....... as when in modern times one almost always clarifies the statement that 'some man "knew" the woman' ......by adding "in the biblical sense" i.e., boinking the female.

WHY is that usual phrase of "biblical" qualification necessary ? ANSWER: because the confusion between "KNOWLEDGE" and the "biblical" use of the word KNOWLEDGE is so fucked up !!!

Which, actually proves MY point which is that the correct statement that: This CONFUSION between FACT (KNOWLEDGE) and FAITH (FICTION)  is actually core to Christianity--that Jesus did not ONLY  claim to know or have the truth; he had the audacity to claim to be the truth.

Now, AGAIN, let me reiterate what I stated in all my posts (but which have been distorted or obfuscated by the Christian Fanatics on this Forum): I do NOT deny you your right to believe in your religious nonsense ......I am simply exercising my right to find fault with your misuse of OBJECTIVE FACTS to bolster your religious nonsense by claiming that FAITH is somehow equivalent to KNOWLEDGE .....which is the most FLAGRANT violation of an OBJECTIVE FACT that verges on an INSANITY induced by Religious Delusions !!! 

AGAIN: I do not deny you your right to believe in anything ...... even to the point of believing in the existence of Satan, etc. But when you bolster, or try to defend your Religion by claiming VIOLATION OF OBJECTIVE FACTS ...... such as FAITH is somehow equivalent to KNOWLEDGE......which is tantamount to saying "apples are chairs", "people rising from the dead", "walking on water", "a virgin is NOT a virgin.....i.e., "A =not A", etc.,.....then, it would seem that I have reasonable claim to question your religious delusions.

What you religious folk can't seem to understand, is that delusional fools may honestly and fervently believe in the FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER (with a noodle-like appendage) by using YOUR IDENTICAL LOGIC !!! ...... and DEFEND this NONSENSE by playing fast and loose with OBJECTIVE FACTS !!!
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Re: Two Views on Islam.
« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2012, 09:13:29 PM »
Patriot doesn't understand "evil" as God defines evil.  Satan is a god. He IS the god of this world.  His goal was to replace God, and he has (at least at this time--until Christ's return).

Satan wants to be worshiped.  Just because you're not committing crimes doesn't make you "good."  If you follow the way of Satan and if you're worshiping him (even thinking you're worshiping the true God), he's done his job.  Satan can be "good" too.  His sin was his desire to replace God, and the vast majority of Mankind worship him unknowingly. Yeshua spoke of His LITTLE flock. The true Church was and is a SMALL group of believers.  If you belong to a cult with a billion followers, you are likely following another god. Satan is not just the god of Islam.  He takes many forms--even among those who do good works.

Ask yourself if you have rejected His Sabbath--the one "Jesus" and the apostles observed for SUNday.  Have you rejected HIS Passover, Pentecost, Trumpets, Atonement and Tabernacles (Succot) for "Christmas (Saturnalia), Easter (Ishtar) and other christianized pagan festivals?  If so, then you are following a DIFFERENT god than the Father, who Yeshua came to reveal--the one the apostles and prophets served.

Satan is more powerful than you think. He has the VAST majority deceived, because Satan can be a "good" god too. But he's a counterfeit.

I am sure that the Religious Folk are having multiple orgasms reading your Religious Manifesto....or, whatever the hell it is.

But, I assure you your dissertation doesn't do anything to advance even a single "unbeliever" to change his opinion that your religion has the same validity as those who believe in the FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER (with a noodle-like appendage) as representing God, Satan, or a combination of both.




 

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