The Bible, Dinosaurs and Mitochondrial DNA

Started by Traninit, December 09, 2015, 06:59:25 PM

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Traninit

First off, I am certainly not well versed in the Bible. I do not, at present, subscribe to a specific religion, and my moral compass is good order until I find otherwise.

I have some very good friends who are devout Christians. I have a moderate science and medical background, so I was perplexed about a few things regarding the Bible which they could not, at the time answer questions which were plaguing me. Possibly someone would be kind enough to shed some light on a few things.

My friend told me that since the timeline of the creation of dinosaurs against what he interprets as the timeline in God's creation of man in the Bible have such a disparity between them, he simply cannot believe that dinosaurs existed. I asked him what he thought the fossils actually were. He believes that they were "planted" there. I didn't proceed any further with my questioning, but have heard that some people think they were planted here by God to test our faith. What is your belief, and how do you interpret the Bible's timeline?

I had another question about Adam and Eve. I asked if he thought Eve was the first mother of all mankind. He said that he believed she was. I asked him why then do not all people on earth share the same Mitochondrial DNA, which is always passed along to every person through the mother? He was unsure, but would look into it. I have heard that God supposedly created other humans as well as Adam and Eve. Is this mentioned in the Bible? Any thoughts on this?

One more thing that gives me pause to wonder how things occurred...How did Adam and Eve's two male children procreate? Are their wives mentioned?

Please...I mock no religion except the filth of Islam, and attempting to disprove a religion is something I would never do to anyone.  But I am inquisitive. I have read some of the Old Testament as well as the New, but not all by any means.

So...any Theists out there who can give me some suggestions and/or theories? Thanks!
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Quote from: Traninit on December 09, 2015, 06:59:25 PM
First off, I am certainly not well versed in the Bible. I do not, at present, subscribe to a specific religion, and my moral compass is good order until I find otherwise.

I have some very good friends who are devout Christians. I have a moderate science and medical background, so I was perplexed about a few things regarding the Bible which they could not, at the time answer questions which were plaguing me. Possibly someone would be kind enough to shed some light on a few things.

My friend told me that since the timeline of the creation of dinosaurs against what he interprets as the timeline in God's creation of man in the Bible have such a disparity between them, he simply cannot believe that dinosaurs existed. I asked him what he thought the fossils actually were. He believes that they were "planted" there. I didn't proceed any further with my questioning, but have heard that some people think they were planted here by God to test our faith. What is your belief, and how do you interpret the Bible's timeline?
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Your friend is a nut.

QuoteI had another question about Adam and Eve. I asked if he thought Eve was the first mother of all mankind. He said that he believed she was. I asked him why then do not all people on earth share the same Mitochondrial DNA, which is always passed along to every person through the mother? He was unsure, but would look into it. I have heard that God supposedly created other humans as well as Adam and Eve. Is this mentioned in the Bible? Any thoughts on this?

One more thing that gives me pause to wonder how things occurred...How did Adam and Eve's two male children procreate? Are their wives mentioned?
Look up Lilith in the bible.

QuotePlease...I mock no religion except the filth of Islam, and attempting to disprove a religion is something I would never do to anyone.  But I am inquisitive. I have read some of the Old Testament as well as the New, but not all by any means.

So...any Theists out there who can give me some suggestions and/or theories? Thanks!
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Quote from: Traninit on December 09, 2015, 06:59:25 PM
First off, I am certainly not well versed in the Bible. I do not, at present, subscribe to a specific religion, and my moral compass is good order until I find otherwise.

I have some very good friends who are devout Christians. I have a moderate science and medical background, so I was perplexed about a few things regarding the Bible which they could not, at the time answer questions which were plaguing me. Possibly someone would be kind enough to shed some light on a few things.

My friend told me that since the timeline of the creation of dinosaurs against what he interprets as the timeline in God's creation of man in the Bible have such a disparity between them, he simply cannot believe that dinosaurs existed. I asked him what he thought the fossils actually were. He believes that they were "planted" there. I didn't proceed any further with my questioning, but have heard that some people think they were planted here by God to test our faith. What is your belief, and how do you interpret the Bible's timeline?

I had another question about Adam and Eve. I asked if he thought Eve was the first mother of all mankind. He said that he believed she was. I asked him why then do not all people on earth share the same Mitochondrial DNA, which is always passed along to every person through the mother? He was unsure, but would look into it. I have heard that God supposedly created other humans as well as Adam and Eve. Is this mentioned in the Bible? Any thoughts on this?

One more thing that gives me pause to wonder how things occurred...How did Adam and Eve's two male children procreate? Are their wives mentioned?

Please...I mock no religion except the filth of Islam, and attempting to disprove a religion is something I would never do to anyone.  But I am inquisitive. I have read some of the Old Testament as well as the New, but not all by any means.

So...any Theists out there who can give me some suggestions and/or theories? Thanks!

About the timeline:
Einstein figured out that time is almost infinitely flexible,
not rigid, the way we experience it.
An object moving through space at nearly the speed of light
moves through time at almost a dead stop.

About the mitochondrial DNA:
That has been looked into.  What was found was that
humans' mitochondrial DNA is very similar
(but not completely identical, due to mutations along the way)
in three groups: African, European and Asian.
This corresponds to the wives of Noah's three sons,
Ham, Shem, and Japheth,
who the Bible identifies as the fathers of Africans, Europeans, and Asians.

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zewazir

First of all, to answer the most basic questions about Genesis and the Creation Story, we need to look at the New Testament, and the explanation of Jesus telling us how God talks to His people. In the Gospel of Matthew, 13:10-11
QuoteThe disciples approached him and said, "Why do you speak to them in parables?" He said to them in reply, "Because knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven has been granted to you, but to them it has not been granted."
Scripture goes on to explain how even God's prophets could hear the truth but not understand.  So Jesus, who is God, speaks to us in parables so that we can understand, why would we expect God the Father to do differently?  As such, the Creation Story, which is God's Word, is parable, not literal. The literal truth could have been represented, but how many people of the 6th and 7th millenia BC could understand astrophysics?

The explanation of Adam, Eve, and where did Cain's and Seth's wives come from is even easier.

Genesis 1:26-28
QuoteThen God said: Let us make human beings in our image, after our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the tame animals, all the wild animals, and all the creatures that crawl on the earth.

God created mankind in his image; in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

God blessed them and God said to them: Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it. Have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and all the living things that crawl on the earth.

Clearly, he created men and women in the plural. He created MANKIND in His image.

Later in Genesis we are given the story of Adam and Eve, the Garden of Eden, and the forbidden fruit.  So what is so unique about Adam and Eve that they have their own, separate creation story?  Because it was through the lineage of Adam and Eve that God brought us the Savior, Jesus Christ. Adam was Noah's 7XGreat grandfather, Noah was Abraham's 8XGreat grandfather, and Abraham was Joseph's 41XGreat grandfather. (Even though the Holy Spirit - ie: GOD - was Jesus' father, the human lineage is traced through Joseph.)

Adam and Eve also represent the beginnings of Man's troubles in our relationship with God, Humanity's descent into sin, which necessitated the Savior.

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Quote from: zewazir on December 09, 2015, 08:36:12 PM
Later in Genesis we are given the story of Adam and Eve, the Garden of Eden, and the forbidden fruit.  So what is so unique about Adam and Eve that they have their own, separate creation story?  Because it was through the lineage of Adam and Eve that God brought us the Savior, Jesus Christ. Adam was Noah's 7XGreat grandfather, Noah was Abraham's 8XGreat grandfather, and Abraham was Joseph's 41XGreat grandfather. (Even though the Holy Spirit - ie: GOD - was Jesus' father, the human lineage is traced through Joseph.)


Mary and Joseph share common ancestors, at least a few generations back.
So the genealogy still applies.
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kit saginaw

I'm a Christian who looks at it from the Erich Von Daniken perspective... 

There's a 150-million or more galaxies out there.  And the particle-realms are equally extensive.

Neutral-atoms didn't learn to ionize themselves.

There's a process I'm missing about male rib-cartilage used to create a female, but something along those lines is probably what happened. 

God gave Jesus to us to bring-us-back-online.  There's only a 50-year difference between Jesus and Buddha, so there's a possibility that both Wayfarers were the same man, owing to fuzzy chronicling.


Traninit

Quote from: Solar on December 09, 2015, 07:38:56 PM


Look up Lilith in the bible.


Can't find any "Lilith", but from what I've read, I hope none of Adam's sons procreated with her. I read that extremist feminist groups believe she existed...having deformed children by having sex with the devil and such. Wow! So now I know why they gave the woman who played the "X" of TV's "Kramer" that namesake. Come to think about it, my X should have been named Lilith.  :scared:
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Quote from: Traninit on December 10, 2015, 02:34:55 PM
Can't find any "Lilith", but from what I've read, I hope none of Adam's sons procreated with her. I read that extremist feminist groups believe she existed...having deformed children by having sex with the devil and such. Wow! So now I know why they gave the woman who played the "X" of TV's "Kramer" that namesake. Come to think about it, my X should have been named Lilith. :scared:

Why was there such a thing as marriage back then, or was it first come first serve.  They did not know about DNA back then let alone care about the blood line.
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kroz

This thread is so "far out" that I don't know where to begin.  And since I am pressed for time I probably will pass on this.

It pains me to not get involved but it would take me hours.... which I do not have right now.  Maybe later! 

walkstall

Quote from: kroz on December 10, 2015, 04:28:54 PM
This thread is so "far out" that I don't know where to begin.  And since I am pressed for time I probably will pass on this.

It pains me to not get involved but it would take me hours.... which I do not have right now.  Maybe later!

This I got to see...


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Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

SalemCat

I was taught, as a Catholic (I am no longer one), that much of the Old Testament, while true, may not be true in the way we may believe.

First of all, let's understand it has been translated and re-translated countless times.

Second, consider the audience. Things MUST be simplified for the vast majority to understand at all !

For instance, personally I believe in Evolution - and Intelligent Design. I see no conflict.

I believe in Noah, but I believe the Known World may have been flooded, rather that this entire Globe ! And obviously EVERY animal would not include Elephants and Giraffes.

Really Conservative Christians are best appreciated as friends. Respect what they believe. But do not try to change them.

Arguing with them about very firm beliefs will not end well for you or them.




carlb

Quote from: Traninit on December 09, 2015, 06:59:25 PM
First off, I am certainly not well versed in the Bible. I do not, at present, subscribe to a specific religion, and my moral compass is good order until I find otherwise.

I have some very good friends who are devout Christians. I have a moderate science and medical background, so I was perplexed about a few things regarding the Bible which they could not, at the time answer questions which were plaguing me. Possibly someone would be kind enough to shed some light on a few things.

My friend told me that since the timeline of the creation of dinosaurs against what he interprets as the timeline in God's creation of man in the Bible have such a disparity between them, he simply cannot believe that dinosaurs existed. I asked him what he thought the fossils actually were. He believes that they were "planted" there. I didn't proceed any further with my questioning, but have heard that some people think they were planted here by God to test our faith. What is your belief, and how do you interpret the Bible's timeline?

I had another question about Adam and Eve. I asked if he thought Eve was the first mother of all mankind. He said that he believed she was. I asked him why then do not all people on earth share the same Mitochondrial DNA, which is always passed along to every person through the mother? He was unsure, but would look into it. I have heard that God supposedly created other humans as well as Adam and Eve. Is this mentioned in the Bible? Any thoughts on this?

One more thing that gives me pause to wonder how things occurred...How did Adam and Eve's two male children procreate? Are their wives mentioned?

Please...I mock no religion except the filth of Islam, and attempting to disprove a religion is something I would never do to anyone.  But I am inquisitive. I have read some of the Old Testament as well as the New, but not all by any means.

So...any Theists out there who can give me some suggestions and/or theories? Thanks!

Have you tried typing your questions into Google? Countless others before you have asked these questions. On another forum, the Atheists have taken over their "Religion" forum and they use these questions to mock believers, even though some have provided answers. Atheists are probably the most closed minded religious group you'll ever deal with. You cannot reason with them.

"Christians" are not totally unified on these topics, which is why I said google it. You'll always get different answers.

As far as Adam's sons, remember, Adam lived ALMOST 1,000 years. He had many sons AND DAUGHTERS. Most believe they married one of their sisters. There are other possibilities.

Personally, I do not "pick and choose" what I WANT to believe from the Bible. Peter said ALL OF IT IS THE INSPIRED WORD OF GOD. God is not a liar. Our understanding of what we read may be faulty, but the Book is NOT.

START with the premise that the Bible is the INSPIRED WORD OF GOD.

carlb

Quote from: kroz on December 10, 2015, 04:28:54 PM
This thread is so "far out" that I don't know where to begin.  And since I am pressed for time I probably will pass on this.

It pains me to not get involved but it would take me hours.... which I do not have right now.  Maybe later!

Well, I hope you do take the time. He threw out interesting questions, and while I already know I won't agree with you on everything, I do respect your opinion on these topics and I enjoy debating you on some of these topics.

Traninit

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Quote from: carlb on December 10, 2015, 05:44:27 PM
Have you tried typing your questions into Google? Countless others before you have asked these questions. On another forum, the Atheists have taken over their "Religion" forum and they use these questions to mock believers, even though some have provided answers. Atheists are probably the most closed minded religious group you'll ever deal with. You cannot reason with them.

"Christians" are not totally unified on these topics, which is why I said google it. You'll always get different answers.

As far as Adam's sons, remember, Adam lived ALMOST 1,000 years. He had many sons AND DAUGHTERS. Most believe they married one of their sisters. There are other possibilities.

Personally, I do not "pick and choose" what I WANT to believe from the Bible. Peter said ALL OF IT IS THE INSPIRED WORD OF GOD. God is not a liar. Our understanding of what we read may be faulty, but the Book is NOT.

START with the premise that the Bible is the INSPIRED WORD OF GOD.

Yes, I have Googled these topics as well as my wife. She was raised Catholic, then had a few decades with the Mormon church. Now she has a keen interest, as I do, in the countless variables of theism and spirituality. I know few who don't. Besides, as I stated before, I have great interest in learning the variables of thought from the minds of others...whether it be here, Google or both. Interpretations and theories are all interesting to ponder. In Latin, that doesn't directly correspond to the word "Philosophy" but it's close.

Thank you for your personal insight!  :thumbsup:
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Traninit

Quote from: SalemCat on December 10, 2015, 05:12:23 PM
I was taught, as a Catholic (I am no longer one), that much of the Old Testament, while true, may not be true in the way we may believe.

First of all, let's understand it has been translated and re-translated countless times.

Second, consider the audience. Things MUST be simplified for the vast majority to understand at all !

For instance, personally I believe in Evolution - and Intelligent Design. I see no conflict.

I believe in Noah, but I believe the Known World may have been flooded, rather that this entire Globe ! And obviously EVERY animal would not include Elephants and Giraffes.

Really Conservative Christians are best appreciated as friends. Respect what they believe. But do not try to change them.

Arguing with them about very firm beliefs will not end well for you or them.

"For instance, personally I believe in Evolution - and Intelligent Design. I see no conflict."

Gotcha. I'm close behind you. Why is it unthinkable that evolution was not part of the equation of creation of mankind...even if it was in his image? With considering various Biblical time factor interpretations, I don't see why an intelligence couldn't have specifically designed what most scientists believe took billions of years for the process to go from the "primordial soup" to Homo Sapiens.
One more liberal President in 2016 will mean the irreversible, eventual and total demise of our democracy. The rise and fall of democracy IS past the "apathy stage" at this moment. If this  momentum continues on its present path, restoration of democracy will require the least desired of actions.