The Bible, Dinosaurs and Mitochondrial DNA

[walkstall]

No, of course not.

As I said, this division was probably the continents we have today.  In the beginning there was likely only one land mass.  But at a point in time God caused a geological event that split the land mass into sections.  That is why we see what looks like corresponding shoreline patterns between the continents.  That is why scientists call it a continental drift.  It does look like the land drifted apart.

God seems to give us a clue as to when that happened.

It did say "earth" not land!   

[kroz]

It did say "earth" not land!   

Yes because it was a worldwide event.  Earth can be synonymous with dirt or land.  Genesis 1:10 says that God called the dry land earth, and the gathering of the waters He called seas.

The earth as known up until that time dramatically changed.  How?  It does not explain but we can contemplate the earth as we know it today and the land masses as they exist and potentially coordinate to one another.  In Genesis 1 it simply said that God separated the land from the waters.  Likely one large body of water called seas and one large land mass called earth.

In Genesis 10 that all seems to have changed!

We can logically assume that there were no divisions in the land mass prior to this time.

[Traninit]

As I reread my post I noticed a glaring error.  I obviously meant hyperbaric atmosphere instead of hyperbolic.  My bad. 

There is one other odd but interesting verse that could help us better understand geographical phenomenon that has puzzled scientists.

Genesis chapter 10 has a long genealogical record of early mankind.  But in verse 25 it makes an interesting revelation.  It says,

"And two sons were born to Eber, the name of the one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided, and his brother;s name was Joktan"

It is possible that this interesting statement may explain the phenomenon we call the continental drift.

God has an amazing way of keeping us scientifically informed.   

Hyperbaric? Yes, that's exactly the mistake I had in mind! (sarc)

[kroz]

Hyperbaric? Yes, that's exactly the mistake I had in mind! (sarc)

There is another potential reference to the divided waters above and below the heavens.

It is in Isaiah 40:21-22.

"Do you not know?  Have you not heard? Has it not been declared to you from the beginning?  Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?
It is He who sits above the vault of the the earth, and its inhabitant are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in."

This tent analogy is a likely reference to the canopy of waters above the heavens.

[kroz]

The KJV of the Bible (King James) says this verse in an interestingly different way.

Isaish 40:22

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:


A likely reference to the spherical shape of the earth.

Those flat earth folks were crazy!   

[carlb]

The KJV of the Bible (King James) says this verse in an interestingly different way.

Isaish 40:22

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:


A likely reference to the spherical shape of the earth.

Those flat earth folks were crazy!   

Yep. God describes the earth as though viewing it from space. In Job He describes the earth as, "hanging on nothing."

The God haters have no idea how advanced this RRVEALED knowledge was. It couldn't even be understood until fairly recently.

I think a lot of end time prophet is that way. As we go to through it, THEN the words will fall into place.

[kit saginaw]

The Bible says 'big fish', but everybody refers to a whale swallowing Jonah...  which are land-mammals who 'evolved' back into the sea.  Some species still have fur. 

The Bible's a sacred-text, but it's not comprehensive. 

God tells Jonah to go tell the Assyrians to stop acting badly.  So Jonah turns-into a whiner and runs the opposite-direction, to the Mediterranean.  The elephant-in-the-room is that God should've told them Himself.  Otherwise, God's logic would have Him telling someone-more-dependable to go find Jonah and tell him he's acting badly for not traveling to Nineveh.

The compilers of the Old Testament should've included all of the information.  It's believed the chapters were told over campfires for years, before somebody compiled them.     

[kroz]

The Bible says 'big fish', but everybody refers to a whale swallowing Jonah...  which are land-mammals who 'evolved' back into the sea.  Some species still have fur. 

The Bible's a sacred-text, but it's not comprehensive. 

God tells Jonah to go tell the Assyrians to stop acting badly.  So Jonah turns-into a whiner and runs the opposite-direction, to the Mediterranean.  The elephant-in-the-room is that God should've told them Himself.  Otherwise, God's logic would have Him telling someone-more-dependable to go find Jonah and tell him he's acting badly for not traveling to Nineveh.

The compilers of the Old Testament should've included all of the information.  It's believed the chapters were told over campfires for years, before somebody compiled them.   

Well kit, I respect your opinions on virtually everything... but I would disagree with much of your post.  Please bear with me as I post what Scripture says about itself.

II Timothy 3:16

ALL Scripture is inspired by God ....

I Peter 1:20-21

But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of One's own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

Keep in mind that the only scripture available at the time of this writing was the Old Testament in its entirety.  The New Testament had yet to be completed.

God has always used men to accomplish His will on earth.

Romans 10:15 says:

..how shall they preach unless they are sent?  Just as it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring glad tidings of good things!"

God sent Jonah to Nineveh because He chose to make Jonah an instrument of His will.  He was not to tell them to "stop acting badly".  He was to tell them to repent of their sins.  Not exactly the same thing.  You can stop a behavior without repenting from it.

You said that God should have told them Himself.  How do you propose that He do that?  A booming voice from the sky?  That is not the way God works.  He uses men and women as He speaks to their hearts to carry His message to mankind.  To the extent that we are obedient God will reward us at the Judgement seat of Christ.

You have said that "It is believed the chapters were told over campfires for years before somebody compiled them."

Really?  What is your source?  Did you hear it around a campfire?  If this is true, why would you call it a "sacred text"?  That makes no sense to me.  We have already read that ALL scripture is inspired by God.

Also, you have complained that the OT should be more comprehensive.

Well my friend, God gave us everything He believed we needed to know to accomplish His will for us.

I would never question the mind of God.  In the scripture I find everything I need to know to live my life to His glory.

But you are correct..... there is no mention of a whale in the book of Jonah.   

[kit saginaw]

You have said that "It is believed the chapters were told over campfires for years before somebody compiled them."

Really?  What is your source?  Did you hear it around a campfire?  If this is true, why would you call it a "sacred text"?  That makes no sense to me.  We have already read that ALL scripture is inspired by God.

The campfire, caravan-fire, etc., was where 'community'-stories were told in the ancient days.  It would've been the equivalent of prime-time television.  -Singing storytelling included.  Told in 'third person' form.

'First  person' would lack the necessary "ummph" of truth. 

At church-camp, pastors took turns telling Bible stories to us at the nightly campfire.  It's the ideal way to convey them because we'd take the story's messages directly to bed with us, presently.  A thousand years before Christ, the planet's cultures were practicing this.  -Till one culture decided to write all the stories down.  I'm referring more specifically to Genesis.

Great response to my post, k.  We agree the Bible is sacred.  I just wish it was a tad more concise. 

One of my pastors said that Jesus often told stories over the campfire.    

[Traninit]

The KJV of the Bible (King James) says this verse in an interestingly different way.

Isaish 40:22

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:


A likely reference to the spherical shape of the earth.

Those flat earth folks were crazy!   

"the circle of the earth"

Just saw that one. Great catch. I would say you're being humble stating it is a "likely" reference to the spherical shape of the earth. Seems pretty literal to me.

[kroz]

The campfire, caravan-fire, etc., was where 'community'-stories were told in the ancient days.  It would've been the equivalent of prime-time television.  -Singing storytelling included.  Told in 'third person' form.

'First  person' would lack the necessary "ummph" of truth. 

At church-camp, pastors took turns telling Bible stories to us at the nightly campfire.  It's the ideal way to convey them because we'd take the story's messages directly to bed with us, presently.  A thousand years before Christ, the planet's cultures were practicing this.  -Till one culture decided to write all the stories down.  I'm referring more specifically to Genesis.

Great response to my post, k.  We agree the Bible is sacred.  I just wish it was a tad more concise. 

One of my pastors said that Jesus often told stories over the campfire.   

Okay kit, I love a campfire story as much as the next guy! 

Jesus DID tell parables around the campfire!  Good reference!

I went to church camp also and we told stories.  And we discussed scripture as the inspired word of God. 

The first five books of the Bible which the Jews call the Pentateuch were almost certainly written by Moses.  He was a highly educated man and wrote prolifically.  There was no need for dependency upon oral communication or tradition.  God revealed much directly to Moses!

We know the authors of most of the remaining books of the Bible.  The author usually reveals his name to the reader.  They are all written in the Hebrew tongue except for parts of Daniel which were in Aramaic and some of it written by King Nebuchadnezzar himself.  The rest of the book was written by Daniel.

Samuel wrote some of the books.  David and Solomon wrote some of the books.  Ezra wrote Chronicles.  And the prophets authored the books with their own names.  All of these authors were men of knowledge and led by the Spirit of God.

All of these books were translated into Greek prior to the birth of Christ.  The Greek translation was called the Septuagint.   It was extremely accurate to the ancient manuscripts which have been found by archeologists.

My point is that that no " one culture" decided to write down the scriptures.  Men specifically appointed by God wrote His revelation to mankind.  It is critical to understand that God was totally in control of the entire process.  Nothing was left to chance.

The same can be said for the Council of Trent when they canonized the scriptures.  God left nothing to chance.

BTW, we took our kids to the little church in Trent, Italy where the scriptures were canonized. 

The scriptures are only as strong as their weakest link.  There are no weak links.

Thanks for dialoguing with me on this!   

[carlb]

"the circle of the earth"

Just saw that one. Great catch. I would say you're being humble stating it is a "likely" reference to the spherical shape of the earth. Seems pretty literal to me.

It is, but the Atheists would argue that it DOESN'T say "sphere", but, like the other pagan cultures, thet viewed the earth as a "plate" where you could fall off the edge. They say it's talking about a DISK, and not a ball.  But in these End Times, in the space age, we now see the earth the way GOD described it.

[Traninit]

It is, but the Atheists would argue that it DOESN'T say "sphere", but, like the other pagan cultures, thet viewed the earth as a "plate" where you could fall off the edge. They say it's talking about a DISK, and not a ball.  But in these End Times, in the space age, we now see the earth the way GOD described it.

Po-tate-o, po-tat-o, Toe-mate-o, Toe-maat-o...

Yeppers, "Circle" works for me.

[je_freedom]

It is, but the Atheists would argue that it DOESN'T say "sphere",
but, like the other pagan cultures, they viewed the earth as a "plate" where you could fall off the edge.
They say it's talking about a DISK, and not a ball. 
But in these End Times, in the space age, we now see the earth the way GOD described it.

Maybe ancient Hebrew didn't have a different word for "sphere"
as opposed to "circle."

[Charliemyboy]

Can't find any "Lilith", but from what I've read, I hope none of Adam's sons procreated with her. I read that extremist feminist groups believe she existed...having deformed children by having sex with the devil and such. Wow! So now I know why they gave the woman who played the "X" of TV's "Kramer" that namesake. Come to think about it, my X should have been named Lilith. 

The bible says that Able went off to the land of "Nod" where he procreated.  Obviously if one is to believe this, there were people created other than Adam and Eve.  In fact, the bible says Eve was created from one of Adan's ribs.  A mere afterthought.