The Bible, Dinosaurs and Mitochondrial DNA

[carlb]

"For instance, personally I believe in Evolution - and Intelligent Design. I see no conflict."

Gotcha. I'm close behind you. Why is it unthinkable that evolution was not part of the equation of creation of mankind...even if it was in his image? With considering various Biblical time factor interpretations, I don't see why an intelligence couldn't have specifically designed what most scientists believe took billions of years for the process to go from the "primordial soup" to Homo Sapiens.

You're free to believe what you like. But IF YOU BELIEVE THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD, and I do, you WILL NOT believe in the atheistic fairy tale called "evolution." Those who try to twist the Scriptures to what they would like to believe, will fall for anything. Choose one or the other, but those two explanations of the origin of things cannot coexist.

[kroz]

First off, I am certainly not well versed in the Bible. I do not, at present, subscribe to a specific religion, and my moral compass is good order until I find otherwise.

I have some very good friends who are devout Christians. I have a moderate science and medical background, so I was perplexed about a few things regarding the Bible which they could not, at the time answer questions which were plaguing me. Possibly someone would be kind enough to shed some light on a few things.

My friend told me that since the timeline of the creation of dinosaurs against what he interprets as the timeline in God's creation of man in the Bible have such a disparity between them, he simply cannot believe that dinosaurs existed. I asked him what he thought the fossils actually were. He believes that they were "planted" there. I didn't proceed any further with my questioning, but have heard that some people think they were planted here by God to test our faith. What is your belief, and how do you interpret the Bible's timeline?

I had another question about Adam and Eve. I asked if he thought Eve was the first mother of all mankind. He said that he believed she was. I asked him why then do not all people on earth share the same Mitochondrial DNA, which is always passed along to every person through the mother? He was unsure, but would look into it. I have heard that God supposedly created other humans as well as Adam and Eve. Is this mentioned in the Bible? Any thoughts on this?

One more thing that gives me pause to wonder how things occurred...How did Adam and Eve's two male children procreate? Are their wives mentioned?

Please...I mock no religion except the filth of Islam, and attempting to disprove a religion is something I would never do to anyone.  But I am inquisitive. I have read some of the Old Testament as well as the New, but not all by any means.

So...any Theists out there who can give me some suggestions and/or theories? Thanks!

Thank you for your interest in learning more about God and His creation.

First of all, the Bible says that God only created Adam and Eve and told them to be fruitful and multiply.  They obeyed this command and multiplied (probably prolifically).

Keep in mind that God's creation was perfect in every respect.  The human bloodline was totally pure and free from any mutations.  Therefore it was perfectly fine for siblings to procreate without negative effects in their offspring.

Mutations may have (just a guess) started in the sixth chapter of Genesis when the Bible says the sons of God came into the daughters of men.  This was an evil that God detested and led to God destroying the earth with a great flood which I will cover later.  However I will not explore that any further at this time.

As far as evolution is concerned, Scripture says that God created each species "after their own kind".  That was the DNA.  It separated not only the animal kingdom but also humans from animals.  When it came to creating man scripture says that God created man "in His own image."  That is key to humanity.  Why?  Because God is a triune being and so are we.  We have a body, soul, and spirit.  God has a Godhead, Son, and Spirit.  We are unique from the animal kingdom because they do not possess a soul... only a body and spirit.  Our soul is what is eternal.

I will also add that the "day/age" theory of creation is rendered moot because God clearly defined a "day" in scripture.  He said, "Evening and morning was the first day, Evening and morning was the second day," etc.  He could not be more clear about it.

Evolutionists have never been able to find the "missing link" that evades them... because it does not exist.  However, there are mutations and adaptations which have occurred within the species.  Humans have also experienced some variations over time.  Skin color is just one of them.

Now, what about the dinosaurs?  Archeologists have excavated wooly mammoths in the Arctic Circle which have undigested tropical foliage in their stomachs.  How is that possible?  It could be evidence of a sudden weather event that took place rapidly.

To better understand this let's go back to Genesis chapter one.   Verses 6-10 tells us that God created an expanse in the midst of the waters.  Some of the waters were below the heavens and some were above the heavens.  This likely created a hyperbolic atmosphere on the face of the earth which caused plants to flourish and men to live very long lives... hundreds of years.  At this point in time there was no rain.  The plants were watered by a mist that rose up from the ground.

It was not until the great flood of Noah that the canopy of water above the heavens was released and a great deluge flooded the world.  There was tremendous upheaval on the face of the earth.  There were drastic temperature changes and the world would never again be the same after that time.  It is likely at this time that the wooly mammoths were frozen in the Arctic. Also the dinosaurs disappeared at that time.  Up until that time the entire earth was likely tropical and that is why there are tropical plants in their stomachs.  That is when the polls froze and the atmosphere changed.  The protective canopy was gone.  Also, a huge amount of strata was created immediately.  That is the strata by which scientists date things today.  Mountains were moved and canyons were created.

The three sons of Noah and their wives became the new lineage of mankind.  This was after the bloodline had been tainted by the evil physical unions discussed in chapter six above.  So they each had different DNAs with mutations.  They ended up becoming the three basic ethnicities of the world.  The descendants of Ham populated Africa, Japeth's descendants populated Europe and Shem's offspring were Semites and Asians.

I'm not sure if this answers your question but please feel free to continue asking questions.  As I have time I will respond to your questions. 

I hope I covered everything you asked.

[SalemCat]

Yes, I have Googled these topics as well as my wife. She was raised Catholic, then had a few decades with the Mormon church. Now she has a keen interest, as I do, in the countless variables of theism and spirituality. I know few who don't. Besides, as I stated before, I have great interest in learning the variables of thought from the minds of others...whether it be here, Google or both. Interpretations and theories are all interesting to ponder. In Latin, that doesn't directly correspond to the word "Philosophy" but it's close.

Thank you for your personal insight! 

You and your wife both are remarkable.

I also respect, and hope to learn from, the beliefs of nearly all religions.

Except Islam. Why ? It is not a religion. It was created, deliberately, as a Political Cult. It has never been a sincere attempt to better mankind.

[walkstall]

You and your wife both are remarkable.

I also respect, and hope to learn from, the beliefs of nearly all religions.

Except Islam. Why ? It is not a religion. It was created, deliberately, as a Political Cult. It has never been a sincere attempt to better mankind.

You can learn from Islam also. 

[SalemCat]

You can learn from Islam also.

Ok, I'll bite.

[Traninit]

You can learn from Islam also.

Yep...just as you can learn from being mugged on the street!

[walkstall]

Yep...just as you can learn from being mugged on the street!

[Traninit]

Thank you for your interest in learning more about God and His creation.

First of all, the Bible says that God only created Adam and Eve and told them to be fruitful and multiply.  They obeyed this command and multiplied (probably prolifically).

Keep in mind that God's creation was perfect in every respect.  The human bloodline was totally pure and free from any mutations.  Therefore it was perfectly fine for siblings to procreate without negative effects in their offspring.

Mutations may have (just a guess) started in the sixth chapter of Genesis when the Bible says the sons of God came into the daughters of men.  This was an evil that God detested and led to God destroying the earth with a great flood which I will cover later.  However I will not explore that any further at this time.

As far as evolution is concerned, Scripture says that God created each species "after their own kind".  That was the DNA.  It separated not only the animal kingdom but also humans from animals.  When it came to creating man scripture says that God created man "in His own image."  That is key to humanity.  Why?  Because God is a triune being and so are we.  We have a body, soul, and spirit.  God has a Godhead, Son, and Spirit.  We are unique from the animal kingdom because they do not possess a soul... only a body and spirit.  Our soul is what is eternal.

I will also add that the "day/age" theory of creation is rendered moot because God clearly defined a "day" in scripture.  He said, "Evening and morning was the first day, Evening and morning was the second day," etc.  He could not be more clear about it.

Evolutionists have never been able to find the "missing link" that evades them... because it does not exist.  However, there are mutations and adaptations which have occurred within the species.  Humans have also experienced some variations over time.  Skin color is just one of them.

Now, what about the dinosaurs?  Archeologists have excavated wooly mammoths in the Arctic Circle which have undigested tropical foliage in their stomachs.  How is that possible?  It could be evidence of a sudden weather event that took place rapidly.

To better understand this let's go back to Genesis chapter one.   Verses 6-10 tells us that God created an expanse in the midst of the waters.  Some of the waters were below the heavens and some were above the heavens.  This likely created a hyperbolic atmosphere on the face of the earth which caused plants to flourish and men to live very long lives... hundreds of years.  At this point in time there was no rain.  The plants were watered by a mist that rose up from the ground.

It was not until the great flood of Noah that the canopy of water above the heavens was released and a great deluge flooded the world.  There was tremendous upheaval on the face of the earth.  There were drastic temperature changes and the world would never again be the same after that time.  It is likely at this time that the wooly mammoths were frozen in the Arctic. Also the dinosaurs disappeared at that time.  Up until that time the entire earth was likely tropical and that is why there are tropical plants in their stomachs.  That is when the polls froze and the atmosphere changed.  The protective canopy was gone.  Also, a huge amount of strata was created immediately.  That is the strata by which scientists date things today.  Mountains were moved and canyons were created.

The three sons of Noah and their wives became the new lineage of mankind.  This was after the bloodline had been tainted by the evil physical unions discussed in chapter six above.  So they each had different DNAs with mutations.  They ended up becoming the three basic ethnicities of the world.  The descendants of Ham populated Africa, Japeth's descendants populated Europe and Shem's offspring were Semites and Asians.

I'm not sure if this answers your question but please feel free to continue asking questions.  As I have time I will respond to your questions. 

I hope I covered everything you asked.

Wow, Kroz! Much to digest, and way beyond my scope of understanding. Still too many "holes" (in my opinion) within your text, but you have some great theories which I won't even begin to question. Thanks much...very intriguing and insightful!

[Solar]

Yep...just as you can learn from being mugged on the street!

[walkstall]

Did not take a rock to fall on him.   

[kroz]

Wow, Kroz! Much to digest, and way beyond my scope of understanding. Still too many "holes" (in my opinion) within your text, but you have some great theories which I won't even begin to question. Thanks much...very intriguing and insightful!

Thank you, Traninit.  I welcome you to point out the holes in my post.  It is good for me to understand your thinking. 

[Traninit]

Thank you, Traninit.  I welcome you to point out the holes in my post.  It is good for me to understand your thinking.

Nah, your "holes" are just my lack of knowledge or prudent interpretation. I know when to step down! 

All the best to you.

[kroz]

Nah, your "holes" are just my lack of knowledge or prudent interpretation. I know when to step down! 

All the best to you.

As I reread my post I noticed a glaring error.  I obviously meant hyperbaric atmosphere instead of hyperbolic.  My bad. 

There is one other odd but interesting verse that could help us better understand geographical phenomenon that has puzzled scientists.

Genesis chapter 10 has a long genealogical record of early mankind.  But in verse 25 it makes an interesting revelation.  It says,

"And two sons were born to Eber, the name of the one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided, and his brother;s name was Joktan"

It is possible that this interesting statement may explain the phenomenon we call the continental drift.

God has an amazing way of keeping us scientifically informed.   

[walkstall]

As I reread my post I noticed a glaring error.  I obviously meant hyperbaric atmosphere instead of hyperbolic.  My bad. 

There is one other odd but interesting verse that could help us better understand geographical phenomenon that has puzzled scientists.

Genesis chapter 10 has a long genealogical record of early mankind.  But in verse 25 it makes an interesting revelation.  It says,

"And two sons were born to Eber, the name of the one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided, and his brother;s name was Joktan"

It is possible that this interesting statement may explain the phenomenon we call the continental drift.

God has an amazing way of keeping us scientifically informed.   

"And two sons were born to Eber, the name of the one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided, and his brother;s name was Joktan"

So is there another earth out there some place?   

[kroz]

So is there another earth out there some place?   

No, of course not.

As I said, this division was probably the continents we have today.  In the beginning there was likely only one land mass.  But at a point in time God caused a geological event that split the land mass into sections.  That is why we see what looks like corresponding shoreline patterns between the continents.  That is why scientists call it a continental drift.  It does look like the land drifted apart.

God seems to give us a clue as to when that happened.