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The Beast Revelation
« on: October 10, 2015, 06:38:33 AM »
The Beast Revelation

This letter is dedicated to all Christians.

The following letter is a summary of Revelation 13. Its purpose is to show the method used in finding the conclusions which have been stated. Nothing new has been added from my previous letters. It is more of a compilation of them all. This writing is the same material in different words. The Bible uses this same method of explanation. There are four Gospels. In each you see a different view of the same material. This can be beneficial because the meaning becomes more exact. Although, if this is a first time reader, then this will all be news to you. With that in mind, here we go.

The first thing that should be addressed when doing any study of Bible prophecy is what questions do I intend to answer. Some of these questions can seem a little simplistic, but their answers are much more complicated. In my studies there were only a few questions that I saw as needing an answer. My questions were very simple. First, who is this individual who is identified by the number 666? Second, who is the false prophet and how does he make the whole world worship the beast whose number is 666. Another question has to do with these same individuals. Could these two individuals be the same person, or for that matter Satan himself? Where is Satan during all this? That last question is very important. It actually goes straight to the answer of all the questions. Finally, when would someone expect to see these individuals on the Earth? Literally, what time frame should I see them? Those are the questions. The answers are much more involved.

This narrative will attempt to show how the answers are figured out. These answers can be seen from events that happen in the nightly news. This leads me to a key, which most of us know, but most of us forget. The Bible is a history book. Some events have happened, while some are waiting to happen. It is the ones that have not happened that we are most concerned with. Here is another key. By the way, these keys I speak of are keys to understanding. The Lord spoke in parables. The reason he gave was that it was for some to know the mysteries of God, while it was for some to know not. In hearing, they do not hear. In seeing, they do not see. I compare it to telling the truth, while hiding it at the same time. Many of the parables that the Lord spoke he immediately gave an answer to. He showed how he used certain symbols and words to describe subjects and then gave their meanings. Now for the punch line. The Lord also spoke in parables that he did not identify. These parables go straight to the hidden meaning of these end times. Another key is word substitution. An example of this is a pretty well-known item from Revelation. This word substitution deals with Revelation 13:1. The beast has seven heads and ten horns. In Revelation 17 those heads and horns are defined. The heads are identified as mountains, while the horns are identified as kings. This changes the whole picture of what the beast is symbolically to what it is literally. Now Rev.13:1 can be read as follows with just the items discussed thus far. And I saw a beast rise up out of the sea having seven mountains and ten kings. That is a simple and easy word substitution. Know that this will happen many times throughout the Bible.

Now, getting back to the questions. The question is, where is Satan? If this question can be answered, you can eliminate some others. Some prophecy teachers believe that Satan is the beast, or that Satan is the false prophet. This interpretation is misleading, and it also creates a stumbling block in the path to a proper interpretation. I almost always get this question. How can you know who the beast is when he cannot be revealed? 2nd Thess. Chapter 2 states that he cannot be revealed, until something is removed first. Most scholars have this part right. That is a picture of the Rapture. What they have wrong is that Satan and the beast are not the same individual. Satan cannot be revealed until after the rapture, but he is not the beast. Therefore, I can identify the beast and his false prophet. People say prove it. So I did. I told them how to understand using the keys that I have mentioned. Revelation 13 is a parable, but God is not giving the definition, or the explanation. This one is for us to figure out. Ok, so where is Satan? In the book of Job, we get a view of Satan's abilities. In one scene, he is discussing with God about Job. Question, where is God? He is in heaven. Also, in his conversation with God Satan is talking as if he knows and has seen Job. God declares that he can do whatever he wants to Job, but he was not allowed to kill him. Now we know something else about Satan. He also has access to the Earth, and can affect peoples lives. So, it appears that Satan can be everywhere he wants to be, on Earth or in heaven. We know Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven as per Revelation 12. This would further the idea that he is now in heaven. We also see Satan one other time, when he tempted Christ during his time on Earth. It says that he was taken to the wilderness to be tempted of Satan? Most people, and rightly so, have thought the wilderness to be a place on Earth, but this is a parable I believe. The Lord was in the wilderness and was tempted by Satan, but the wilderness is in heaven. This parable is read in Isaiah 35. It is the wilderness and the solitary place where the redeemed of the Lord walk. So, this last item being the most hard to prove, suffice it to say, that when Rev.12 says Satan will be cast out, he must be there in heaven to be cast out. Alright, now we can answer a couple questions. One, Satan is himself, and he is in heaven. Therefore, he is not the beast or the false prophet. These three work together, but each has his own identity.

Now to dissect Revelation 13. As I have already stated, Revelation 13 is a word substitution parable. The seven heads are seven mountains and the ten horns are ten kings. Ok, we know from this description that the beast as described is a group of possibly ten countries. This brings me to another point. There are three definitions for the beast in Revelation 13. The first is a group of countries rising up out of the sea. The second is in Rev.13:11 and is a beast with two horns (kings). Remember horns are kings as per Rev. 17. Finally, there is a beast who is identified by the number 666. It is this last beast that causes all to receive a mark and that no man can buy and sell save he who has the mark, his number, or his name. There are three items here. Nowhere does it say that the mark is the number 666. This might have been a good guess 20 yrs. ago , but it is pretty hard to believe. Imagine people running around with a mark of 666 on their right hands. It sounds like a cartoon, but this is what the prophecy teachers want you to believe. Ok, another problem that sounds like a cartoon is the interpretation of the word "all." They want you to believe that no man could buy or sell if they did not worship the beast and take his mark. Interpreting the word "all" to mean everyone in the world. This is not the case. For one, we know that the beast is made up of only possibly ten countries. Everyone in this world lives in roughly 190 countries. I don't think we could possibly mean everyone. How about, all of those people concerned with the mark. Also, how do you cause all people concerned to receive a mark, and why? The most obvious way to mark everyone is at the voting booth. All people, rich and poor, small and great, or free and bond are potential voters. So, Mahmoud Abbas was elected president of the Palestinian Authority, and in the process all voters received an indelible ink mark on their right hands. This mark was to prevent double voting and corruption in the election. Ok, we have a mark. It is not 666. At this point he fits the part, but not completely. Still, there is no ready identification of 666 concerning him. This election was in January 2005.

Back to Rev.13. We have seven mountains and ten kings. Prophecy teachers want us to believe that a city with seven mountains is the seat of the antichrist and he rules with ten nations. Their logical conclusion was the Europe Union and the Vatican. This started the revived Roman empire theory. This theory has been around since the reformation. It is hard to believe this charade has gone on so long. Teachers are still preaching the Revived Roman Empire. This theory had some validity before the twentieth century and now has to be eliminated. None of these teachers could have predicted the fall of the Ottoman Empire and its division into so many separate sovereign nations. Back to our word substitution. There is an interesting item here concerning the word mountains in scripture. The word mountains can have two meanings. It can be either a mountain range, or a nation. This is the hardest part of this whole exercise, trying to figure out what mountains are describing. Teachers will have you believe it is a city with seven mountains. In actual fact, mountains here are referring to nations. This also pertains to the head wound. The wound was not a literal head wound at all, but was a nation that was wounded. The beast's head or nation was wounded and was healed. This is the Palestinian Authority after the beginning of the Oslo Accords. The land that Israel possessed was now being given back to the Palestinians and the beast's nation is being healed. Ok, so now I have seven nations and ten kings, Rev.13:1. Why do I have three more kings than nations? It seems I have a king for each nation, but three left over. In Daniel in says the beast subdued three kings. These three kings don't necessarily have to be from different countries. It seems so, but is not expressly mentioned. It is another parable. The three kings who were subdued by the beast were Israeli Prime Ministers. These three Prime Ministers all served during the seven years of the Oslo Accords and were voted out of office because of terror perpetrated during Yasser Arafat's rule. Now, I am down to seven nations. These seven nations will wage war. I can easily see seven nations that will wage war here very soon; Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Iran and the Palestinian Authority or Iraq, and there opponent Israel. This is exactly the same beast that is presented in Rev.17:10, just in a slightly different appearance. There are seven kings, five are fallen. This means five kings were defeated in war. Israel is referred to the "one that is," and the one that came later is the Palestinian Authority. This is a description of Israel's war for Independence. Literally, this was the beast being born. The war in 1967 is the beast rising up out of the sea in Rev.13:1. It was the unresolved issues of this conflict that resulted in the Oslo Accords of 1993. This seven year peace treaty was confirmed by Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat.

Now, there is another beast in Rev.13:11. This beast has two horns or kings. This is a picture of the Palestinian Authority after the elections of January 2006. This is when Hamas ran in the elections and won a majority in parliament. Now the P.A. was a country with two kings. Abbas was the President and Ismail Haniyeh was the Prime Minister. Here is where the problem with money came about. Western Nations did not want to donate money to a known terrorist organization so looked for a way they could still fund Abbas's P.A., but not let any money get to Hamas. This is when the number 666 identified an individual. The temporary international mechanism was adopted on June 16, 2006. This program allowed Western Nations to donate funds directly to Abbas, while bypassing Hamas. If you were a member of Fatah, or on Abbas's payroll you got paid. This is how the people were allowed to buy and sell. They received salaries, whereas before the mechanism, they had no way of getting paid from the Government. Hamas did not receive salaries. Also, Hamas did not receive the mark of the beast. They boycotted the elections for President in Jan. 2005.
It is more obvious who is being talked about the closer you get to the end.

In conclusion, to my three beast definitions. Mahmoud Abbas fits all three definitions. He was a member of the P.A. when it was formed. He took over from Yasser Arafat after his death. He was one of the two kings of the second beast in Rev.13:11. Lastly, he is the one identified by the number 666, which could have been Arafat had he lived.

Now, concerning the false prophet. The following four verses below all refer to the false prophet, Ismail Haniyeh.

Rev.13:11- and I beheld another beast coming up out of the Earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev.13:12- And he exercises all the power of the first beast before him, and causes the earth and them which dwell therein, to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev.13:13- "And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the Earth in the sight of men".
Rev.13:15- And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast, should be killed.


Hamas exercised all the power of the first beast (Abbas's P.A.) because they were now an equal partner in the Government. Also, the leader of Hamas caused them to worship or honor the first beast because Hamas would not honor the first beast. The first beast was the PA without Hamas as a member. The image of the beast is what the Government of Mahmoud Abbas represented. Verse 12 does not mention the image yet, we are just informed that the false prophet caused them to worship the first beast. Verse 14 and 15 gives the details of how that worshipping or honor was to commence. An image was created of the first beast that he (the false prophet) caused to be honored. This image of the beast is three items; the recognition of Israel, the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements, and a renunciation of terror.

The last question I think that needs addressed is how do you know the timing is right? Meaning, there have been so many translations, how do you know that this one is correct? This is a question I always get asked. The answer, in my mind, is sort of a mix between two different prophecies. The first is the seven day prophecy as recorded in Genesis. It is a similitude between this and the amount of recorded time that has already happened on Earth. In the book of Peter, God says one day to him is as a thousand years. If that idea is applied to the Genesis creation, everyday that God created something one thousand years passed. Finally, on the last day he rested from his work, and his rest was one thousand years or one of God's days. This was one full week or 7000 years. After God's rest he started his work again, and he created Adam. Starting with Adam, it was approximately 4000 years to the time of Christ. Also, we know that Christ was here roughly 2000 years ago. If God was to be consistent with his one week schedule, then we could expect his day of rest to fall somewhere after the year two thousand. 4000 plus 2000 is six days and on the seventh he rested for one thousand years. This is not an exact estimate, but it can put you in the right ballpark when searching for the correct timing of Revelation. This is the estimate. The next item is more exact. Daniel 9:27 says that he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. Many in Hebrew is Rab. This was a covenant confirmed with Yitzhak Rabin. It was the beginning of land for peace, or the Oslo Accords. When you see this agreement happen you should be aware that this prophecy will last seven years. There is only one problem with this item. Prior to it happening, everyone thought that the end of the seventh year of the agreement God would return and begin his rest. Well, that did not  happen. The reason was a logical misinterpretation. It just mentions that this agreement must occur along with the prophecies mentioned, not that they would all happen and end on the last day of the seventh year. This has thrown everyone watching off-course for a time. Although, this was not such a terrible mistake if the watcher could see the right answer and get his, or her perspective back. When you have these two items coinciding at the expected time, then you know Revelation can be interpreted with accuracy. The events should start happening, as they have, as I have recorded in this letter.

May God bless all who read this letter.

Michae1

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The Beast Revelation

This letter is dedicated to all Christians.

The following letter is a summary of Revelation 13. Its purpose is to show the method used in finding the conclusions which have been stated. Nothing new has been added from my previous letters. It is more of a compilation of them all. This writing is the same material in different words. The Bible uses this same method of explanation. There are four Gospels. In each you see a different view of the same material. This can be beneficial because the meaning becomes more exact. Although, if this is a first time reader, then this will all be news to you. With that in mind, here we go.

The first thing that should be addressed when doing any study of Bible prophecy is what questions do I intend to answer. Some of these questions can seem a little simplistic, but their answers are much more complicated. In my studies there were only a few questions that I saw as needing an answer. My questions were very simple. First, who is this individual who is identified by the number 666? Second, who is the false prophet and how does he make the whole world worship the beast whose number is 666. Another question has to do with these same individuals. Could these two individuals be the same person, or for that matter Satan himself? Where is Satan during all this? That last question is very important. It actually goes straight to the answer of all the questions. Finally, when would someone expect to see these individuals on the Earth? Literally, what time frame should I see them? Those are the questions. The answers are much more involved.

This narrative will attempt to show how the answers are figured out. These answers can be seen from events that happen in the nightly news. This leads me to a key, which most of us know, but most of us forget. The Bible is a history book. Some events have happened, while some are waiting to happen. It is the ones that have not happened that we are most concerned with. Here is another key. By the way, these keys I speak of are keys to understanding. The Lord spoke in parables. The reason he gave was that it was for some to know the mysteries of God, while it was for some to know not. In hearing, they do not hear. In seeing, they do not see. I compare it to telling the truth, while hiding it at the same time. Many of the parables that the Lord spoke he immediately gave an answer to. He showed how he used certain symbols and words to describe subjects and then gave their meanings. Now for the punch line. The Lord also spoke in parables that he did not identify. These parables go straight to the hidden meaning of these end times. Another key is word substitution. An example of this is a pretty well-known item from Revelation. This word substitution deals with Revelation 13:1. The beast has seven heads and ten horns. In Revelation 17 those heads and horns are defined. The heads are identified as mountains, while the horns are identified as kings. This changes the whole picture of what the beast is symbolically to what it is literally. Now Rev.13:1 can be read as follows with just the items discussed thus far. And I saw a beast rise up out of the sea having seven mountains and ten kings. That is a simple and easy word substitution. Know that this will happen many times throughout the Bible.

Now, getting back to the questions. The question is, where is Satan? If this question can be answered, you can eliminate some others. Some prophecy teachers believe that Satan is the beast, or that Satan is the false prophet. This interpretation is misleading, and it also creates a stumbling block in the path to a proper interpretation. I almost always get this question. How can you know who the beast is when he cannot be revealed? 2nd Thess. Chapter 2 states that he cannot be revealed, until something is removed first. Most scholars have this part right. That is a picture of the Rapture. What they have wrong is that Satan and the beast are not the same individual. Satan cannot be revealed until after the rapture, but he is not the beast. Therefore, I can identify the beast and his false prophet. People say prove it. So I did. I told them how to understand using the keys that I have mentioned. Revelation 13 is a parable, but God is not giving the definition, or the explanation. This one is for us to figure out. Ok, so where is Satan? In the book of Job, we get a view of Satan's abilities. In one scene, he is discussing with God about Job. Question, where is God? He is in heaven. Also, in his conversation with God Satan is talking as if he knows and has seen Job. God declares that he can do whatever he wants to Job, but he was not allowed to kill him. Now we know something else about Satan. He also has access to the Earth, and can affect peoples lives. So, it appears that Satan can be everywhere he wants to be, on Earth or in heaven. We know Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven as per Revelation 12. This would further the idea that he is now in heaven. We also see Satan one other time, when he tempted Christ during his time on Earth. It says that he was taken to the wilderness to be tempted of Satan? Most people, and rightly so, have thought the wilderness to be a place on Earth, but this is a parable I believe. The Lord was in the wilderness and was tempted by Satan, but the wilderness is in heaven. This parable is read in Isaiah 35. It is the wilderness and the solitary place where the redeemed of the Lord walk. So, this last item being the most hard to prove, suffice it to say, that when Rev.12 says Satan will be cast out, he must be there in heaven to be cast out. Alright, now we can answer a couple questions. One, Satan is himself, and he is in heaven. Therefore, he is not the beast or the false prophet. These three work together, but each has his own identity.

Now to dissect Revelation 13. As I have already stated, Revelation 13 is a word substitution parable. The seven heads are seven mountains and the ten horns are ten kings. Ok, we know from this description that the beast as described is a group of possibly ten countries. This brings me to another point. There are three definitions for the beast in Revelation 13. The first is a group of countries rising up out of the sea. The second is in Rev.13:11 and is a beast with two horns (kings). Remember horns are kings as per Rev. 17. Finally, there is a beast who is identified by the number 666. It is this last beast that causes all to receive a mark and that no man can buy and sell save he who has the mark, his number, or his name. There are three items here. Nowhere does it say that the mark is the number 666. This might have been a good guess 20 yrs. ago , but it is pretty hard to believe. Imagine people running around with a mark of 666 on their right hands. It sounds like a cartoon, but this is what the prophecy teachers want you to believe. Ok, another problem that sounds like a cartoon is the interpretation of the word "all." They want you to believe that no man could buy or sell if they did not worship the beast and take his mark. Interpreting the word "all" to mean everyone in the world. This is not the case. For one, we know that the beast is made up of only possibly ten countries. Everyone in this world lives in roughly 190 countries. I don't think we could possibly mean everyone. How about, all of those people concerned with the mark. Also, how do you cause all people concerned to receive a mark, and why? The most obvious way to mark everyone is at the voting booth. All people, rich and poor, small and great, or free and bond are potential voters. So, Mahmoud Abbas was elected president of the Palestinian Authority, and in the process all voters received an indelible ink mark on their right hands. This mark was to prevent double voting and corruption in the election. Ok, we have a mark. It is not 666. At this point he fits the part, but not completely. Still, there is no ready identification of 666 concerning him. This election was in January 2005.

Back to Rev.13. We have seven mountains and ten kings. Prophecy teachers want us to believe that a city with seven mountains is the seat of the antichrist and he rules with ten nations. Their logical conclusion was the Europe Union and the Vatican. This started the revived Roman empire theory. This theory has been around since the reformation. It is hard to believe this charade has gone on so long. Teachers are still preaching the Revived Roman Empire. This theory had some validity before the twentieth century and now has to be eliminated. None of these teachers could have predicted the fall of the Ottoman Empire and its division into so many separate sovereign nations. Back to our word substitution. There is an interesting item here concerning the word mountains in scripture. The word mountains can have two meanings. It can be either a mountain range, or a nation. This is the hardest part of this whole exercise, trying to figure out what mountains are describing. Teachers will have you believe it is a city with seven mountains. In actual fact, mountains here are referring to nations. This also pertains to the head wound. The wound was not a literal head wound at all, but was a nation that was wounded. The beast's head or nation was wounded and was healed. This is the Palestinian Authority after the beginning of the Oslo Accords. The land that Israel possessed was now being given back to the Palestinians and the beast's nation is being healed. Ok, so now I have seven nations and ten kings, Rev.13:1. Why do I have three more kings than nations? It seems I have a king for each nation, but three left over. In Daniel in says the beast subdued three kings. These three kings don't necessarily have to be from different countries. It seems so, but is not expressly mentioned. It is another parable. The three kings who were subdued by the beast were Israeli Prime Ministers. These three Prime Ministers all served during the seven years of the Oslo Accords and were voted out of office because of terror perpetrated during Yasser Arafat's rule. Now, I am down to seven nations. These seven nations will wage war. I can easily see seven nations that will wage war here very soon; Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Iran and the Palestinian Authority or Iraq, and there opponent Israel. This is exactly the same beast that is presented in Rev.17:10, just in a slightly different appearance. There are seven kings, five are fallen. This means five kings were defeated in war. Israel is referred to the "one that is," and the one that came later is the Palestinian Authority. This is a description of Israel's war for Independence. Literally, this was the beast being born. The war in 1967 is the beast rising up out of the sea in Rev.13:1. It was the unresolved issues of this conflict that resulted in the Oslo Accords of 1993. This seven year peace treaty was confirmed by Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat.

Now, there is another beast in Rev.13:11. This beast has two horns or kings. This is a picture of the Palestinian Authority after the elections of January 2006. This is when Hamas ran in the elections and won a majority in parliament. Now the P.A. was a country with two kings. Abbas was the President and Ismail Haniyeh was the Prime Minister. Here is where the problem with money came about. Western Nations did not want to donate money to a known terrorist organization so looked for a way they could still fund Abbas's P.A., but not let any money get to Hamas. This is when the number 666 identified an individual. The temporary international mechanism was adopted on June 16, 2006. This program allowed Western Nations to donate funds directly to Abbas, while bypassing Hamas. If you were a member of Fatah, or on Abbas's payroll you got paid. This is how the people were allowed to buy and sell. They received salaries, whereas before the mechanism, they had no way of getting paid from the Government. Hamas did not receive salaries. Also, Hamas did not receive the mark of the beast. They boycotted the elections for President in Jan. 2005.
It is more obvious who is being talked about the closer you get to the end.

In conclusion, to my three beast definitions. Mahmoud Abbas fits all three definitions. He was a member of the P.A. when it was formed. He took over from Yasser Arafat after his death. He was one of the two kings of the second beast in Rev.13:11. Lastly, he is the one identified by the number 666, which could have been Arafat had he lived.

Now, concerning the false prophet. The following four verses below all refer to the false prophet, Ismail Haniyeh.

Rev.13:11- and I beheld another beast coming up out of the Earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev.13:12- And he exercises all the power of the first beast before him, and causes the earth and them which dwell therein, to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev.13:13- "And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the Earth in the sight of men".
Rev.13:15- And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast, should be killed.


Hamas exercised all the power of the first beast (Abbas's P.A.) because they were now an equal partner in the Government. Also, the leader of Hamas caused them to worship or honor the first beast because Hamas would not honor the first beast. The first beast was the PA without Hamas as a member. The image of the beast is what the Government of Mahmoud Abbas represented. Verse 12 does not mention the image yet, we are just informed that the false prophet caused them to worship the first beast. Verse 14 and 15 gives the details of how that worshipping or honor was to commence. An image was created of the first beast that he (the false prophet) caused to be honored. This image of the beast is three items; the recognition of Israel, the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements, and a renunciation of terror.

The last question I think that needs addressed is how do you know the timing is right? Meaning, there have been so many translations, how do you know that this one is correct? This is a question I always get asked. The answer, in my mind, is sort of a mix between two different prophecies. The first is the seven day prophecy as recorded in Genesis. It is a similitude between this and the amount of recorded time that has already happened on Earth. In the book of Peter, God says one day to him is as a thousand years. If that idea is applied to the Genesis creation, everyday that God created something one thousand years passed. Finally, on the last day he rested from his work, and his rest was one thousand years or one of God's days. This was one full week or 7000 years. After God's rest he started his work again, and he created Adam. Starting with Adam, it was approximately 4000 years to the time of Christ. Also, we know that Christ was here roughly 2000 years ago. If God was to be consistent with his one week schedule, then we could expect his day of rest to fall somewhere after the year two thousand. 4000 plus 2000 is six days and on the seventh he rested for one thousand years. This is not an exact estimate, but it can put you in the right ballpark when searching for the correct timing of Revelation. This is the estimate. The next item is more exact. Daniel 9:27 says that he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. Many in Hebrew is Rab. This was a covenant confirmed with Yitzhak Rabin. It was the beginning of land for peace, or the Oslo Accords. When you see this agreement happen you should be aware that this prophecy will last seven years. There is only one problem with this item. Prior to it happening, everyone thought that the end of the seventh year of the agreement God would return and begin his rest. Well, that did not  happen. The reason was a logical misinterpretation. It just mentions that this agreement must occur along with the prophecies mentioned, not that they would all happen and end on the last day of the seventh year. This has thrown everyone watching off-course for a time. Although, this was not such a terrible mistake if the watcher could see the right answer and get his, or her perspective back. When you have these two items coinciding at the expected time, then you know Revelation can be interpreted with accuracy. The events should start happening, as they have, as I have recorded in this letter.

May God bless all who read this letter.

Michae1

No the Bible does not. In point of fact the Bible states rather clearly that we are not to add so much, or take away so much, as one jot or tittle.

Changing the words, changes the meaning of the text. Duh!

Also, as for your poll, not sure what the "poll" is supposed to show. But fwiw yes, everything WILL unfold, just as God has stated it will.
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And it did..............................in Nero.
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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2015, 06:35:19 PM »
Many speak of THE BIBLE, without taking into account here is an OLD and a NEW Testament.

The NEW is 2015 years old. The OLD extends to the very Beginning.

Both have been translated and re-translated numerous times. In numerous languages.

I believe both are True, but how we interpret TRUTH is questionable.

To simplify things, in Noah some think the Bible says the Entire World was Flooded. Is it unreasonable to expect that the Entire World known to the Human Author was Flooded ? And maybe not the entire actual Globe ?

And did Moses really part the Red Sea ? Perhaps, instead, an unusual Tide occurred, that exposed usually wet land as a dry path for the Chosen People ? Not so dramatic as a Cecil B Demille production, but just as effective, and just as real.

My God requires FAITH. He will not, never has, exposed Himself so clearly that Swine would see Him. His is subtle, deliberately so.

Some would scoff "How Convenient !"

Perhaps.

But others that look deeply at our World would, instead, be amazed that anyone could doubt.

It is FAITH - and always will be.










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Re: The Beast Revelation
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2015, 04:54:54 PM »
Many speak of THE BIBLE, without taking into account here is an OLD and a NEW Testament.

The NEW is 2015 years old. The OLD extends to the very Beginning.

Both have been translated and re-translated numerous times. In numerous languages.

I believe both are True, but how we interpret TRUTH is questionable.

To simplify things, in Noah some think the Bible says the Entire World was Flooded. Is it unreasonable to expect that the Entire World known to the Human Author was Flooded ? And maybe not the entire actual Globe ?

And did Moses really part the Red Sea ? Perhaps, instead, an unusual Tide occurred, that exposed usually wet land as a dry path for the Chosen People ? Not so dramatic as a Cecil B Demille production, but just as effective, and just as real.

My God requires FAITH. He will not, never has, exposed Himself so clearly that Swine would see Him. His is subtle, deliberately so.

Some would scoff "How Convenient !"

Perhaps.

But others that look deeply at our World would, instead, be amazed that anyone could doubt.

It is FAITH - and always will be.
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Re: The Beast Revelation
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2015, 05:00:59 PM »
Moses never parted the red sea. God did it.

I think God used Mother Nature.   :sneaky:
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2015, 05:45:22 PM »
I think God used Mother Nature.   :sneaky:

Awwwww.

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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2015, 07:03:49 PM »
Awwwww.

You win again.

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 :lol:  NO God did!!   :thumbsup:
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2015, 07:21:38 PM »

 :lol:  NO God did!!   :thumbsup:

Whoa !

I've been served again.

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Does anyone agree with this prophecy?

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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2018, 03:00:51 PM »
Does anyone agree with this prophecy?

I myself don't know as in all my years I have not talked to God about it.   But I am sure we will know in do time.
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« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2018, 08:31:15 AM »
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« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2018, 11:17:32 AM »
Many speak of THE BIBLE, without taking into account here is an OLD and a NEW Testament.

The NEW is 2015 years old. The OLD extends to the very Beginning.

Both have been translated and re-translated numerous times. In numerous languages.

I believe both are True, but how we interpret TRUTH is questionable.

To simplify things, in Noah some think the Bible says the Entire World was Flooded. Is it unreasonable to expect that the Entire World known to the Human Author was Flooded ? And maybe not the entire actual Globe ?

And did Moses really part the Red Sea ? Perhaps, instead, an unusual Tide occurred, that exposed usually wet land as a dry path for the Chosen People ? Not so dramatic as a Cecil B Demille production, but just as effective, and just as real.

My God requires FAITH. He will not, never has, exposed Himself so clearly that Swine would see Him. His is subtle, deliberately so.

Some would scoff "How Convenient !"

Perhaps.

But others that look deeply at our World would, instead, be amazed that anyone could doubt.

It is FAITH - and always will be.

Why is it so unreasonable to believe the entire world was flooded as God said he did? There is plenty of evidence for it  Why is trusting Gods words so hard?

Did God use natural processes when turning water to wine? When raising from the dead? When he created the entire universe in 6 literal days? Miricles do happen. God is omnipotent.

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Re: The Beast Revelation
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2018, 02:13:47 PM »
The Beast Out Of The Earth--SOLVED!

Revelation chapter 13:11-18 is one of the most well read chapters in the Bible. This beast, of course, is the power of the Antichrist. But before we dive into the meaning of this chapter we need to look deeper into other chapters to gather up clues that will help us identify this Antichrist power. So the first verse will explain some very important attributes of the beast.

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“Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done. He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all. But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things. Thus he shall act against the strongest fortresses with a foreign god, which he shall acknowledge, and advance its glory; and he shall cause them to rule over many, and divide the land for gain" (Daniel 11:36-39).

The Antichrist has no tolerance for any religion. So as much as some people despise the Roman Catholic Church this passage excludes them from the beast power, as the RCC can be accused for being too tolerant towards other religions. The beast shall worship a false god not known by their fathers. This means there will be no history prior to the arrival of this god to support the ancestry of those who should have known this god. So far a very good candidate for this beast is Islam, as there is no history of Islam before Islam yet the Qur'an makes the claim that Adam, Abraham, Moses, Alexander the Great, Jesus and His disciples, and many many others, were all muslims. Yet nobody in the ancient world recognizes Islam's existence prior to Muhammad. Islam also has zero tolerance for other religions or any worldview that exist apart from Islam.

The next verse is very important because this provides us insightful information of the destructive attributes of Satan's power:

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“How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations! (Isa.14:12).

The ESV translates the end of the verse as "you who laid the nations low!" So the power of Lucifer working through his followers will weaken the nations to the point of laying them low. In other words, the once greatness of these gentile nations that came to the light of the Messiah (Isa.60:3) will be brought low through the act of apostasy caused by atheism which will leave the door wide open for the ultimate invasion which will destroy everything great about those nations who once lived by the law and commission of Christ. Thus Satan will gather his followers of the occult for the purpose of destroying everything good ever accomplished by God's faithful. They will persecute them and even kill them as if they were doing it for God. So the Antichrist power will be connected to a religious movement of the diabolical kind.

1John 2:18-23 is an indirect reference to the Gnostic movement which had been trying to infiltrate the church. The Apostle John says that we will know the last hour before Judgment by seeing how the power that infiltrates the early church becomes a world power in the last hour before Judgement.

1John 4:1-3 explains more about the attributes of the Antichrist, as many antichrists were in the world already. They rejected the reality of the crucifixion of Christ and do not believe God came in the flesh (John 1:1-14).

Qur'an 5:110 is plagiarized from two Gnostic works: The First Gospel of the Infancy of Jesus Christ, and Thomas the Israelite Philosopher's Account of the Infancy of the LORD. These are early Gnostic accounts which Muhammad plagiarized into the Qur'an, Muhammad also rejected the crucifixion and did not believe that Jesus Christ came in the flesh (meaning, the word made flesh (John 1:1-14; Isa.9:6).

For the purpose of time and space it would be fruitful to you readers if we jump back to Revelation chapter 13.

Now the beast out of the sea, as I believe, is evolution theory: the belief that life evolved from the watery chaos. Case and point: Romans 1:18-32 clearly speaks about God's wrath on those who rejected God's existence in hopes they can attain a state of wickedness upon the earth and establish a name for themselves (Gen.11:4). So in the name of narcissism there will be people living in the Christian lands who will whore around with the beast in hopes they may become great by betraying their nations with the help of a foreign god (neither muslims or progressives have history of Islam before Muhammad, and Islam was not well known in the west until 9-11). So, again, the power of the beast will be the combined powers of the occult waging war against the Lamb of God.

Here is where this becomes a little more clear:

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"Then I saw another beast which rose out of the earth; it had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon" (Rev.13:11).

The lamb represents Jesus. There is a Jesus ('Isa) in Islam, which was borrowed from the fictional Jesus of Gnostic mysticism. But this Jesus of Gnosticism/Islam speaks like a dragon, and offers strange fire to the LORD thy God. This lamb-like beast is often mistakenly identified with the Roman Catholic Church, though the attributes of this beast fit Islam very well as further readings will absolutely prove. Simply stated, in the name of a false Christ will the beast speak blasphemies.

Now verse 12 speaks about how the beast of the earth will force everyone to worship the first beast...the beast out of the sea. Some may say that perhaps I got it the other way around and how Islam is the beast out of the sea and the progressive movement is the beast out of the earth. Well if that be the case the verdict still doesn't change as this verse is to be understood as the occult uniting against all God's faithful. Remember, the power of the Antichrist is one power...a power of Satan who unites the world under occult minded rulers who have lost their souls. So even where the details are still a little unclear, the verdict is accurate. Today we see how progressives (who follow Satan) are uniting with Islam (who also worship Satan).

Under the sharia, a Christian or a Jew cannot be seen in public unless dressed a certain way. They have no rights other than what the Islamic states decides to give them which isn't much in all. So essentially they are marked and branded for being Christians or Jews.

Rev.11:18,

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"Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666."

The Greek for 666 is χξϛ. If we are to ever understand this mystery it would be wise to look at the Greek in which it was written in. Now I've had the experience where I discussed this with muslims and former muslims. This made for very interesting conversation on both sides of the discussion. For the muslims see χξϛ and they are reading Arabic. So what does this say to the muslim in Arabic?

ϛ - This is associated with the Arabic "In the name of Allah."

ξ - While this is turned some, it looks very much like the Arabic name of Allah.

χ - This represents the crossed swords of Islam which symbolizes Islamic power through jihad.

I decided to put all this in a sentence to see if any muslim would agree with how I rendered this from Arabic to English.

χξϛ - "In the name of Allah--Fight!"

This was an approved reading to those Arabic speaking muslims I held this discussion with.

So now lets look at the evidence from the Islamic texts themselves.

Noble Qur'an 27:82 (Mushin Khan),

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"And when the Word (of torment) is fulfilled against them, We shall bring out from the earth a beast* for them, to speak to them because mankind believed not with certainty in Our Ayat (Verses of the Qur'an and Prophet Muhammad."

*Footnote: "(V.27:82) See the footnote of (V.6:158)."

I'll return to the footnote later, but as for right now lets focus on this verse from two more translations:

Mawdudi,

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"And when the time for the fulfilled of Our Word against them will come, We shall bring for them a beast from the earth who will speak to them because people did not believe in Our Signs."

Bewley,
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"When the Word is justly carried out against them, We will produce a Beast from the earth which will speak to them. Truly mankind had no certainty about Our Signs."

The signs of the beast. Sounds like were reading Rev.13 again! But lets be fair and examine this from the Tafsir scholars of Islam since only they are allowed to interpret the Qur'an.

Tafsir al-Jalalayn (Aisha Bewley translation),

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"When the Word is justly carried out against them -- when the punishment befalls the unbelievers -- We will produce a Beast from the earth which will speak to them in Arabic to those present when it emerges. Truly (read as anna and inna) mankind -- particularly the unbelievers of Quraysh -- had no certainty about Our Signs. They did not believe in the Qur'an which contains mention of the Resurrection, the Reckoning, and the Punishment. When the Beast emerges, commanding people to do what is correct and forbidding them what is bad will stop. No unbeliever will believe after that: as Allah revealed to Nuh, "None of your people are going to believe except those who have faith already." (11:36)"

Here in the Bewley translation of Tafsir Al-Jalalayn, there is a reference point made towards the Quraysh whom Muhammad conquered and slaughtered many unbelievers among (which was the norm for Muhammad and his company of pirates). Yet, this "Sign" of the beast has always been clearly reserved for something that will happen in the final hour, as this is one of the Major Signs of Islamic Tribulation.

Lets move on to one of the most favorite and trusted Tafsir scholars of all time--Ibn Kathir. For the Signs before the day of judgment is his specialty and nobody in the Islamic scholarly world has more knowledge about these Islamic signs than he does.

Tafsir Ibn Kathir,
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"This beast will emerge at the end of time, when humankind will be totally obsessed in corruption and will have then forsaken the commands of Allah and distorted the true religion. Imam Ahmad recorded that the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said: "The Hour will not be established until you have seen ten signs: the rising of the sun from the west; the smoke (Ad-Dukkan); emergence of the beast, the emergence of Yajuj and Majuj; the appearance of Isa bin Maryam, (peace be unto him); the Dajjal, and three (devastating) land debacles, one in the west, one in the east and one in the Arabian Peninsula; and a Fire which will come out from the midst of Yemen, and will force people to hasten forward or gather them, stopping with them whenever they stop for the night or to rest during the day." This is the wording of Imam Muslim and Sunan compilers. Jurayl recorded Ibn Az-Zubayir described the meant beast saying: "Its head is the head of a bull, its eyes are the eyes of a pig, its ears are the ears of an elephant, its horns are the horns of a stag, its neck is the neck of an ostrich, its chest is the chest of a lion, its color is the color of a tiger, its haunches are the haunches of a cat, its tail is the tail of a ram, and its legs are the legs of a camel. Between each pair of its joints is the distance of twelve cubits. It will bring out with it the staff (stick) of Moses and the ring of Solomon. It will leave no believer but that it will make a white spot on his face, which will spread until all his face will be shinning white as a result, and it will leave no disbeliever but that it will make a black spot on his face, which will spread until all his face will become black as a result; to the extent it will be that when the people trade with one another in the markets, they will say, 'How much is this, O believer?' 'How much is that, O disbeliever?' it will be that the same household, when sitting for food, they will know who among them is a believer and who is a disbeliever. Then, the beast will say to them, 'O so-and-so, be delighted; for you are among the people of Paradise.' And it will say, 'O so-and-so, you are among the people of the Fire.'"

Ibn Kathir, "Book of the End," p.163,
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"When we discussed the Tafseer of this verse, we explain it and mentioned those Ahaadeeth that pertain to it. Ibn 'Abbaas, Al-Hasan, and Al-Qataadah said, " 'Speak to them' means address them verbally.'" Ibn Jareer holds that the beast will speak to them, saying, "Because mankind believed not with certainty in Our Ayaat (Verses of the Qur'an and sayings of Prophet Muhammad)." Ibn Jareer related this view from 'Ataa and 'Alee, but this is not certain, and requires further study. It is also revealed from Ibn 'Abbaas that "speak to them" means, write Al-Kaafir (disbeliever) on the forehead of the kaafir, and Mo'min (believer) on the forehead of a believer. It is also related from Ibn 'Abbaas that "speak to them" means both addressing them verbally and writing on their foreheads. This last saying is in harmony with both views; it is strong, good, and it combines both views in a suitable manner. And Allah knows best."

So the emergence of the beast is the third major sign of Islamic tribulation. If you read all of this then you probably felt like you were reading a very backwards view of Revelation chapter 13. The prophecy of Rev.13 was written hundreds of years before Muhammad and the Islamic movement. This is how accurate Biblical prophecy is! The beast approves of Islam and writes "kafir" on the foreheads of those who disbelieve. And while the Islamic view on this is by no means prophecy--as it is a counterfeit prophecy--it does play right into the hands of occultists who seek warn against Jesus Christ and His faithful.

So lets take a look at the first sign of Islamic tribulation which is perhaps the most important verse of the Qur'an for all westerners to understand.

Noble Qur'an 6:158 (Muhsin Khan translation),

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"Do they then wait for anything other than that the angels should come to them, or that your Lord (Allah) should come, or that some of the Signs of your Lord should come [i.e., portents of the Hour e.g., rising of the sun from the west)! The day that some of the Signs of your Lord do come; no good will it do to a person to believe then, if he believed not before, nor earned good (by performing deeds of righteousness) through his Faith. Say: "Wait you! we (too) are waiting."

From the book: The Signs Before The Day Of Judgement, Ibn Kathir, pp.86,87

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"No good will it do to a soul to believe in them then, if it believed not before nor earned righteousness through its faith" (Ahmad, 2/201).
Some scholars interpret "the rising of the sun from the West" as meaning that Islam will appear in the West, as strong as it was in the beginning, and that the people of the West will carry the flag of Islam."

Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Vol.1,

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"{Say: "Wait you! we (too) are waiting."} This is a stern threat to the disbeliever and a striking warning for those who delay their embracing of Faith and repentance until a time when neither Faith nor repentance shall avail."

So the best and most trusted Tafsir scholar who specialized in Islamic tribulation tells us that the sun rises in the west when muslims begin carrying the flag of Islam in western nations and influence the people of these western nations. Emigration for jihad has been practiced from the days of Muhammad up to this very hour, During the life of Muhammad--whom all muslims are to imitate--he and his companions conquered city after city, tribe after tribe, by first having muslims emigrate into those places and stir up division among the peoples. This softens the battle ground for the Islamic invasion and spreads great confusion among the city or tribe being attacked. So this verse is about spreading Islam through Muhammad's favorite military tactic---emigration.

The second sign is the smoke. We saw this smoke on 9-11. The smoke represents terrorism.

But what happens after the beast emerges and fights for Islam? We read Noble Qur'an 27:82, but now lets read the following verse:

Noble Qur'an 27:83,

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"And (remember) the Day when We shall gather out of every nation a troop of those who denied Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc), and (then) they (all) shall be set in array (gathered and driven to the place of reckoning)."

Same verse from another translation:

And (remember) the day when We will gather from every nation a host of those who used to reject Our verses, and they will be kept under control." (Noble Qur'an, translated by Mufti Muhammad Taqi Usmani).

And again, both verses 82-83 from the Bewley translation which is modified into a simpler and more modern English:

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"When the Word is justly carried out against them, We will produce a Beast from the earth which will speak to them.
Truly mankind had no certainty about Our Signs.
On that Day We will collect from every community a crowd of those who denied Our Signs, paraded in tight ranks."

Now the Tafsir Al-Jalalayn translated by Bewley makes more sense. For as Muhammad is the Sunnah for all muslims to follow for all times and in all places, so will it be in the last hour when muslim military tactics gain the upper hand against the west. When Muhammad conquered Mecca, he gathered up all the disbelievers and has them killed. Likewise, this verse speaks about when Islam conquers the west they will collect from every nation those who disbelieved and place them in right ranks and machine gun them to death!! <----that is what the verse means!!! For these signs are interpreted by jihadists who are only interpreting things from a military perspective just as Muhammad was doing. Who is the Dajjal? The description of the Dajjal (the Islamic antichrist) is too ridiculous to ever be true. But Islamists can make up any interpretation to have it mean anyone who opposes Islam is the Dajjal, for anyone can be a dajjal that rejects Islam. So that sign is ridiculous like many others, but its the first few signs that westerners need to understand, which are the rising of the sun in the west (Islamic dominance through mass muslim emigration); the smoke (terrorist attacks in the west); and the beast out of the earth (the power of the Antichrist established on earth).

Keep in mind Muhammad was a brilliant General and made a religion out of conquering neighboring nations so that he and his companions could get rich off of theft, have plenty of sex through rape, and create an entire worldview based on Muhammad's warped view of religion which was to be handed down from one generation of muslims to the next. This would have been Charles Manson's dream had he and his gang not got themselves arrested for murder. But Manson--a Gnostic--was small time compared to the Gnostic who founded the Islamic sect of Gnosticism in which the spiritual line of the Antichrist comes from.

Islam is also...Antichrist. They are against the real Jesus and this hadith provides the proof:

Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol.8, Book 78, Chapter 114, Hadith #6206:

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"(114) CHAPTER. The name which is most disliked by Allah.

6206. Narrated Abu Hurairah: The Prophet said, "The most perfidious (awful) name with Allah," Sufyan said more than once, "The most perfidious (awful) name with Allah is (that of) a man calling himself king of kings."
Sufyan said, "Somebody else (i.e., other than Abuz-Zinad, a subnarrator) says: What is meant by 'king of kings' is Shahan Shah'." *

*footnote: "H.6206 Shahan Shah is a Persian word bearing the same meaning. This indicates that it is forbidden to call oneself by such a name in any language."

So this beast out of the earth will make war with the king of kings.

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"These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful".
~ Revelation 17:14

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"And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was Jesus Of Nazareth The King Of The Jews.
This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin" (John 19:19-20).

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"And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:

KING OF KINGS AND
LORD OF LORDS".
~ Rev.19:16

This king of the Jews, being written in three languages, is also called the King of Kings written in nearly every language in the world, including Arabic.

Conclusion:

Now some of you are free to disagree with the small parts I may have wrong---things like the beast out of the sea vs. the beast out of the earth. These little details only have a minor effect which don't change the outcome. Here are two hadith that may help solve those little differences:

Sunan At-Tirmidhi, vol.5, Book 38, Chapter 13, Hadith 2629,

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"Chapter 13. What Has Been Related About "Islam Began As Something Strange And It Will Return To Being Something Strange"
2629. 'Abdullah bin Mas'ud narrated that the Messenger of Allah said: "Indeed Islam began as something strange and it will return to be strange as it began. So Tuba is for the strangers."
(Sahih)

Sahih Muslim, Vol.1, Book 1, Chapter 65, Hadith [372] 232 - (145),

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"Chapter 65. Clarifying That Islam Started As Something Strange, And Will Revert To Being Something Strange, And It Will Retreat Between The Two Masajid
[372] 232 - (145) It was narrated that Abu Hurairah said: "The Messenger of Allah said: 'Islam began as something strange and will revert to being something strange, so glad tidings to the strangers.'"

Indeed, Islam is truly a strange fire to the LORD! Though what will be strange is that it will be understood by westerners. Some will take the side of Islam and others will resist this evil power. But this Beast out of the earth is an Antichrist power which will be the emergence of the occult combined into one evil force which focuses on the destruction of Christianity and the destruction of Israel. So as for the Whore/Beast roles and who is who between the progressives and the muslims, I leave all that up to those who read this, I am not so concerned with the who is who question simply because they all serve the beast and both the progressive movement and Islam are seen daily working together. Muslims can be seen on Satanic pages on FB clicking like to posts on that page which says evil things. Satanists will click like to post from muslims when it attacks Christianity, Jews and Israel. So the Beast...the power of the Antichrist, will not be comprised with one single group of people, but will have their spiritual lineage traced back to the Gnostics and will be unified in the occult with Satan under command. Both the progressives and the muslims have their spiritual lineage traced back to the Gnostics. Dan Brown, the famous Gnostic who writes Nazi novels (Hitler was a Gnostic as he was a monist and monism is married to Gnosticism), has stirred up for himself an army of deranged Gnostics. This led to denying Islamic terrorism and even siding with invading muslims like we see throughout Europe.
So the Beast will become an evil empire which will include everything from devout Satanist, communists, Nazis, Muslims, and all those who identify themselves with the Beast of the occult and have their spiritual origins traced back to Gnosticism. So the power of the Antichrist is not just a mere system of unbelievers. Its a system of radical and fanatical occult followers from various sects of the occult. Islam will play a major role in the last hour. The Qur'an even admits that the Beast will be pleased with Islam. This means that all those in the west who already hate Jesus Christ and His faithful, will embrace their Islamic invaders simply because they recognize their fellow occultists. But in the end they will all be destroyed by Jesus when He returns for His faithful.
"The heauens are thine, the earth is thine: thou hast layed the foundation of the rounde world, and al that therin is."
~ Psalm 89:11, 1537 Matthew-Tyndale Bible

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Re: The Beast Revelation
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2018, 09:10:25 AM »
The Beast Out Of The Earth--SOLVED!

Revelation chapter 13:11-18 is one of the most well read chapters in the Bible. This beast, of course, is the power of the Antichrist. But before we dive into the meaning of this chapter we need to look deeper into other chapters to gather up clues that will help us identify this Antichrist power. So the first verse will explain some very important attributes of the beast.

The Antichrist has no tolerance for any religion. So as much as some people despise the Roman Catholic Church this passage excludes them from the beast power, as the RCC can be accused for being too tolerant towards other religions. The beast shall worship a false god not known by their fathers. This means there will be no history prior to the arrival of this god to support the ancestry of those who should have known this god. So far a very good candidate for this beast is Islam, as there is no history of Islam before Islam yet the Qur'an makes the claim that Adam, Abraham, Moses, Alexander the Great, Jesus and His disciples, and many many others, were all muslims. Yet nobody in the ancient world recognizes Islam's existence prior to Muhammad. Islam also has zero tolerance for other religions or any worldview that exist apart from Islam.

The next verse is very important because this provides us insightful information of the destructive attributes of Satan's power:

The ESV translates the end of the verse as "you who laid the nations low!" So the power of Lucifer working through his followers will weaken the nations to the point of laying them low. In other words, the once greatness of these gentile nations that came to the light of the Messiah (Isa.60:3) will be brought low through the act of apostasy caused by atheism which will leave the door wide open for the ultimate invasion which will destroy everything great about those nations who once lived by the law and commission of Christ. Thus Satan will gather his followers of the occult for the purpose of destroying everything good ever accomplished by God's faithful. They will persecute them and even kill them as if they were doing it for God. So the Antichrist power will be connected to a religious movement of the diabolical kind.

1John 2:18-23 is an indirect reference to the Gnostic movement which had been trying to infiltrate the church. The Apostle John says that we will know the last hour before Judgment by seeing how the power that infiltrates the early church becomes a world power in the last hour before Judgement.

1John 4:1-3 explains more about the attributes of the Antichrist, as many antichrists were in the world already. They rejected the reality of the crucifixion of Christ and do not believe God came in the flesh (John 1:1-14).

Qur'an 5:110 is plagiarized from two Gnostic works: The First Gospel of the Infancy of Jesus Christ, and Thomas the Israelite Philosopher's Account of the Infancy of the LORD. These are early Gnostic accounts which Muhammad plagiarized into the Qur'an, Muhammad also rejected the crucifixion and did not believe that Jesus Christ came in the flesh (meaning, the word made flesh (John 1:1-14; Isa.9:6).

For the purpose of time and space it would be fruitful to you readers if we jump back to Revelation chapter 13.

Now the beast out of the sea, as I believe, is evolution theory: the belief that life evolved from the watery chaos. Case and point: Romans 1:18-32 clearly speaks about God's wrath on those who rejected God's existence in hopes they can attain a state of wickedness upon the earth and establish a name for themselves (Gen.11:4). So in the name of narcissism there will be people living in the Christian lands who will whore around with the beast in hopes they may become great by betraying their nations with the help of a foreign god (neither muslims or progressives have history of Islam before Muhammad, and Islam was not well known in the west until 9-11). So, again, the power of the beast will be the combined powers of the occult waging war against the Lamb of God.

Here is where this becomes a little more clear:

The lamb represents Jesus. There is a Jesus ('Isa) in Islam, which was borrowed from the fictional Jesus of Gnostic mysticism. But this Jesus of Gnosticism/Islam speaks like a dragon, and offers strange fire to the LORD thy God. This lamb-like beast is often mistakenly identified with the Roman Catholic Church, though the attributes of this beast fit Islam very well as further readings will absolutely prove. Simply stated, in the name of a false Christ will the beast speak blasphemies.

Now verse 12 speaks about how the beast of the earth will force everyone to worship the first beast...the beast out of the sea. Some may say that perhaps I got it the other way around and how Islam is the beast out of the sea and the progressive movement is the beast out of the earth. Well if that be the case the verdict still doesn't change as this verse is to be understood as the occult uniting against all God's faithful. Remember, the power of the Antichrist is one power...a power of Satan who unites the world under occult minded rulers who have lost their souls. So even where the details are still a little unclear, the verdict is accurate. Today we see how progressives (who follow Satan) are uniting with Islam (who also worship Satan).

Under the sharia, a Christian or a Jew cannot be seen in public unless dressed a certain way. They have no rights other than what the Islamic states decides to give them which isn't much in all. So essentially they are marked and branded for being Christians or Jews.

Rev.11:18,

The Greek for 666 is χξϛ. If we are to ever understand this mystery it would be wise to look at the Greek in which it was written in. Now I've had the experience where I discussed this with muslims and former muslims. This made for very interesting conversation on both sides of the discussion. For the muslims see χξϛ and they are reading Arabic. So what does this say to the muslim in Arabic?

ϛ - This is associated with the Arabic "In the name of Allah."

ξ - While this is turned some, it looks very much like the Arabic name of Allah.

χ - This represents the crossed swords of Islam which symbolizes Islamic power through jihad.

I decided to put all this in a sentence to see if any muslim would agree with how I rendered this from Arabic to English.

χξϛ - "In the name of Allah--Fight!"

This was an approved reading to those Arabic speaking muslims I held this discussion with.

So now lets look at the evidence from the Islamic texts themselves.

Noble Qur'an 27:82 (Mushin Khan),

I'll return to the footnote later, but as for right now lets focus on this verse from two more translations:

Mawdudi,

Bewley,
The signs of the beast. Sounds like were reading Rev.13 again! But lets be fair and examine this from the Tafsir scholars of Islam since only they are allowed to interpret the Qur'an.

Tafsir al-Jalalayn (Aisha Bewley translation),

Here in the Bewley translation of Tafsir Al-Jalalayn, there is a reference point made towards the Quraysh whom Muhammad conquered and slaughtered many unbelievers among (which was the norm for Muhammad and his company of pirates). Yet, this "Sign" of the beast has always been clearly reserved for something that will happen in the final hour, as this is one of the Major Signs of Islamic Tribulation.

Lets move on to one of the most favorite and trusted Tafsir scholars of all time--Ibn Kathir. For the Signs before the day of judgment is his specialty and nobody in the Islamic scholarly world has more knowledge about these Islamic signs than he does.

Tafsir Ibn Kathir,
Ibn Kathir, "Book of the End," p.163,
So the emergence of the beast is the third major sign of Islamic tribulation. If you read all of this then you probably felt like you were reading a very backwards view of Revelation chapter 13. The prophecy of Rev.13 was written hundreds of years before Muhammad and the Islamic movement. This is how accurate Biblical prophecy is! The beast approves of Islam and writes "kafir" on the foreheads of those who disbelieve. And while the Islamic view on this is by no means prophecy--as it is a counterfeit prophecy--it does play right into the hands of occultists who seek warn against Jesus Christ and His faithful.

So lets take a look at the first sign of Islamic tribulation which is perhaps the most important verse of the Qur'an for all westerners to understand.

Noble Qur'an 6:158 (Muhsin Khan translation),

From the book: The Signs Before The Day Of Judgement, Ibn Kathir, pp.86,87

Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Vol.1,

So the best and most trusted Tafsir scholar who specialized in Islamic tribulation tells us that the sun rises in the west when muslims begin carrying the flag of Islam in western nations and influence the people of these western nations. Emigration for jihad has been practiced from the days of Muhammad up to this very hour, During the life of Muhammad--whom all muslims are to imitate--he and his companions conquered city after city, tribe after tribe, by first having muslims emigrate into those places and stir up division among the peoples. This softens the battle ground for the Islamic invasion and spreads great confusion among the city or tribe being attacked. So this verse is about spreading Islam through Muhammad's favorite military tactic---emigration.

The second sign is the smoke. We saw this smoke on 9-11. The smoke represents terrorism.

But what happens after the beast emerges and fights for Islam? We read Noble Qur'an 27:82, but now lets read the following verse:

Noble Qur'an 27:83,

Same verse from another translation:

And (remember) the day when We will gather from every nation a host of those who used to reject Our verses, and they will be kept under control." (Noble Qur'an, translated by Mufti Muhammad Taqi Usmani).

And again, both verses 82-83 from the Bewley translation which is modified into a simpler and more modern English:

Now the Tafsir Al-Jalalayn translated by Bewley makes more sense. For as Muhammad is the Sunnah for all muslims to follow for all times and in all places, so will it be in the last hour when muslim military tactics gain the upper hand against the west. When Muhammad conquered Mecca, he gathered up all the disbelievers and has them killed. Likewise, this verse speaks about when Islam conquers the west they will collect from every nation those who disbelieved and place them in right ranks and machine gun them to death!! <----that is what the verse means!!! For these signs are interpreted by jihadists who are only interpreting things from a military perspective just as Muhammad was doing. Who is the Dajjal? The description of the Dajjal (the Islamic antichrist) is too ridiculous to ever be true. But Islamists can make up any interpretation to have it mean anyone who opposes Islam is the Dajjal, for anyone can be a dajjal that rejects Islam. So that sign is ridiculous like many others, but its the first few signs that westerners need to understand, which are the rising of the sun in the west (Islamic dominance through mass muslim emigration); the smoke (terrorist attacks in the west); and the beast out of the earth (the power of the Antichrist established on earth).

Keep in mind Muhammad was a brilliant General and made a religion out of conquering neighboring nations so that he and his companions could get rich off of theft, have plenty of sex through rape, and create an entire worldview based on Muhammad's warped view of religion which was to be handed down from one generation of muslims to the next. This would have been Charles Manson's dream had he and his gang not got themselves arrested for murder. But Manson--a Gnostic--was small time compared to the Gnostic who founded the Islamic sect of Gnosticism in which the spiritual line of the Antichrist comes from.

Islam is also...Antichrist. They are against the real Jesus and this hadith provides the proof:

Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol.8, Book 78, Chapter 114, Hadith #6206:

So this beast out of the earth will make war with the king of kings.

This king of the Jews, being written in three languages, is also called the King of Kings written in nearly every language in the world, including Arabic.

Conclusion:

Now some of you are free to disagree with the small parts I may have wrong---things like the beast out of the sea vs. the beast out of the earth. These little details only have a minor effect which don't change the outcome. Here are two hadith that may help solve those little differences:

Sunan At-Tirmidhi, vol.5, Book 38, Chapter 13, Hadith 2629,

Sahih Muslim, Vol.1, Book 1, Chapter 65, Hadith [372] 232 - (145),

Indeed, Islam is truly a strange fire to the LORD! Though what will be strange is that it will be understood by westerners. Some will take the side of Islam and others will resist this evil power. But this Beast out of the earth is an Antichrist power which will be the emergence of the occult combined into one evil force which focuses on the destruction of Christianity and the destruction of Israel. So as for the Whore/Beast roles and who is who between the progressives and the muslims, I leave all that up to those who read this, I am not so concerned with the who is who question simply because they all serve the beast and both the progressive movement and Islam are seen daily working together. Muslims can be seen on Satanic pages on FB clicking like to posts on that page which says evil things. Satanists will click like to post from muslims when it attacks Christianity, Jews and Israel. So the Beast...the power of the Antichrist, will not be comprised with one single group of people, but will have their spiritual lineage traced back to the Gnostics and will be unified in the occult with Satan under command. Both the progressives and the muslims have their spiritual lineage traced back to the Gnostics. Dan Brown, the famous Gnostic who writes Nazi novels (Hitler was a Gnostic as he was a monist and monism is married to Gnosticism), has stirred up for himself an army of deranged Gnostics. This led to denying Islamic terrorism and even siding with invading muslims like we see throughout Europe.
So the Beast will become an evil empire which will include everything from devout Satanist, communists, Nazis, Muslims, and all those who identify themselves with the Beast of the occult and have their spiritual origins traced back to Gnosticism. So the power of the Antichrist is not just a mere system of unbelievers. Its a system of radical and fanatical occult followers from various sects of the occult. Islam will play a major role in the last hour. The Qur'an even admits that the Beast will be pleased with Islam. This means that all those in the west who already hate Jesus Christ and His faithful, will embrace their Islamic invaders simply because they recognize their fellow occultists. But in the end they will all be destroyed by Jesus when He returns for His faithful.

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