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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2018, 12:33:10 PM »
And, did this happen in vacuum?  Who was in charge of them?  Who raised them?  Where did they spend a good portion of their lives?  Who were the ones put horseshit into their head?  This is the problem with personal responsibility.  We want to give those on the last link the entire pie.  Shouldn't these others on the other links on the chain be made accountable as well?  If not, why not?

Shouldn't personal responsibility be applied across the board? 

And, why this deep profound hate for today's youth?

Not sure where you would conclude I have a profound hate for today's youth.  I feel sorry for them not hate.  They are a product of how they were raised and how society has evolved.  They have not learned that life can kick you in the teeth sometimes and that just because they want something doesn't mean they are entitled to get it.  And I also think that they fail to understand that some of life's lessons can only be learned by living.  So by 18 there are a lot of lessons to be learned.  I think this is a product of parents want to protect their kids from harm of any kind.  As our country got more wealthy more and more could be provided and less and less expected in return.  I had more than my parents had yet only had 3 pair of dress pants and two pairs of shoes. One for school and one for play. No phone, no laptop, no game station and I had to do things around the house is I wanted to get an allowance.  twenty five cents.  But far less was expected of me than was expected when my parents were children and I tried to make sure my kids had what they desired.  The result was kids that took a long time to realize that once they are away from their childhood that everything is not a handout and had to learn that something that got the job done was better than nothing.  I am talking about a car that they said they could not drive because it was not nice enough.  In time they ended up driving in a much worse car and learned to appreciate it and work towards making sure they could get a better one.

I have managed quite a few kids and I always encourage them to do as much as they can and make sure they have real value to their employer.  The ones who did that and were willing to accept that as a good worker they would get more than those who were not so good, eventually moved ahead and receive the rewards for their work ethic.

In another post you talk about not getting employed because of this and that being unfair.  Question to you, would you eat at a restaurant where the cook was not too concerned with washing including hand washing,  believed in the 10 second rule, was not concerned about sweating on the grill or thought a quick rinse of the plate was enough to clean it?    Part of getting a job is being aware that some things are expected behaviour and being able to carryout those behaviours. It is a society and certain behavior is part of the requirement in certain settings. Perhaps there are positions where  a weak handshake and not paying attention to the person interviewing you is just fine. Doubt it and I do doubt that anyone lost a job because of a handshake.  In my experience you learn that some people have disabilities or health issues so you have to read the other person and adjust how firm or soft your grip is. 
 
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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2018, 01:22:38 PM »
Not sure where you would conclude I have a profound hate for today's youth.  I feel sorry for them not hate.  They are a product of how they were raised and how society has evolved.  They have not learned that life can kick you in the teeth sometimes and that just because they want something doesn't mean they are entitled to get it.  And I also think that they fail to understand that some of life's lessons can only be learned by living.  So by 18 there are a lot of lessons to be learned.  I think this is a product of parents want to protect their kids from harm of any kind.  As our country got more wealthy more and more could be provided and less and less expected in return.  I had more than my parents had yet only had 3 pair of dress pants and two pairs of shoes. One for school and one for play. No phone, no laptop, no game station and I had to do things around the house is I wanted to get an allowance.  twenty five cents.  But far less was expected of me than was expected when my parents were children and I tried to make sure my kids had what they desired.  The result was kids that took a long time to realize that once they are away from their childhood that everything is not a handout and had to learn that something that got the job done was better than nothing.  I am talking about a car that they said they could not drive because it was not nice enough.  In time they ended up driving in a much worse car and learned to appreciate it and work towards making sure they could get a better one.

I have managed quite a few kids and I always encourage them to do as much as they can and make sure they have real value to their employer.  The ones who did that and were willing to accept that as a good worker they would get more than those who were not so good, eventually moved ahead and receive the rewards for their work ethic.

In another post you talk about not getting employed because of this and that being unfair.  Question to you, would you eat at a restaurant where the cook was not too concerned with washing including hand washing,  believed in the 10 second rule, was not concerned about sweating on the grill or thought a quick rinse of the plate was enough to clean it?    Part of getting a job is being aware that some things are expected behaviour and being able to carryout those behaviours. It is a society and certain behavior is part of the requirement in certain settings. Perhaps there are positions where  a weak handshake and not paying attention to the person interviewing you is just fine. Doubt it and I do doubt that anyone lost a job because of a handshake.  In my experience you learn that some people have disabilities or health issues so you have to read the other person and adjust how firm or soft your grip is. 
 
I think that you may be served well by considering that one of the most dangerous people you may be associated with are those who do not know what they do not know.
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And your last line is very true, just look at libs in school, "Bubble Dwellers", they are hive minded, have no clue how the real world works, but this can be good, because at some point in life, life hits them and they realize what they were taught, was all a big ass lie.
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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2018, 09:30:37 PM »
Not sure where you would conclude I have a profound hate for today's youth.

1.  When I meant you in this case I meant the generalized you.   
2.  When I read different forums, websites, etc I perceive a profound hatred including here.  It is possible that I'm misperceving what is being conveyed.   


I feel sorry for them not hate.  They are a product of how they were raised and how society has evolved.

I agree with you here. 


They have not learned that life can kick you in the teeth sometimes and that just because they want something doesn't mean they are entitled to get it.

I don't understand how life can be sentient and can have teeth unless you're using figurative language and a figure of speech.  I'm going to assume that it means that life is probabilistic not absolute.  Just to be on the safe side.  I can take what others say very literally and may not realize it.    Example:  If you complete high school and don't use drugs you're more likely to succeed.  If you use drugs and don't get your high school diploma you're more likely to fail.   Life has no guarantees except death. 

  And I also think that they fail to understand that some of life's lessons can only be learned by living. 

hmmm, this is a very interesting concept.   If you don't mind, will please explain further?  I can make a guess as to why.  I just want to make sure we're on the same page. 

So by 18 there are a lot of lessons to be learned.  I think this is a product of parents want to protect their kids from harm of any kind.  As our country got more wealthy more and more could be provided and less and less expected in return.  I had more than my parents had yet only had 3 pair of dress pants and two pairs of shoes. One for school and one for play. No phone, no laptop, no game station and I had to do things around the house is I wanted to get an allowance.  twenty five cents.  But far less was expected of me than was expected when my parents were children and I tried to make sure my kids had what they desired.  The result was kids that took a long time to realize that once they are away from their childhood that everything is not a handout and had to learn that something that got the job done was better than nothing.  I am talking about a car that they said they could not drive because it was not nice enough.  In time they ended up driving in a much worse car and learned to appreciate it and work towards making sure they could get a better one.

I understand what you're saying.

I have managed quite a few kids and I always encourage them to do as much as they can and make sure they have real value to their employer.  The ones who did that and were willing to accept that as a good worker they would get more than those who were not so good, eventually moved ahead and receive the rewards for their work ethic.

If you said that to me I would have problems interpreting your message.   The reason is because I would find it to vague. What does it mean to do as much as one can?    Example:  If someone told me I was rude I would need specifics as to how I was rude.  Another example:  Let's say I wanted to be a plumber or wanted to be in IT what specific steps must one take.  Another example:  What is the proper way to take initiative?  How would one know what one is allowed to do or not do?  If I find a better way of doing something am I allowed to do that?   What are my constraints?

In another post you talk about not getting employed because of this and that being unfair.


I don't remember which post.   But, I can tell you why I don't think I can get a job in today's world.  It is due to my disability.  I'm on the autism spectrum.   As simply as I can put it.  1.  I take to long to complete tasks.  2.  I have problems with reading and especially with verbal comprehension.   3.  I take things to literally.  4.  I have motor coordination problems.  5.  I have executive functioning issues.  6.  bouts of extreme depression.

So, I can understand why others would not want to hire me.  What I desire from others is help to be able to function including being able to obtain and keep a job.   If this is not possible then can I really live a fruitful life without simply burning time as Solar called it?  If not, there is no point in continuing my existence. 

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And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

If one can't work due to one's disability when the Bible says one doesn't work one doesn't eat.  If one's mind causes one to sin then wouldn't suicide be the most noble choice of all.  Is it not better to kill oneself then to sin and end up in hell?

  Question to you, would you eat at a restaurant where the cook was not too concerned with washing including hand washing,  believed in the 10 second rule, was not concerned about sweating on the grill or thought a quick rinse of the plate was enough to clean it?

I definitely would not.

    Part of getting a job is being aware that some things are expected behaviour and being able to carryout those behaviours. It is a society and certain behavior is part of the requirement in certain settings. Perhaps there are positions where  a weak handshake and not paying attention to the person interviewing you is just fine. Doubt it and I do doubt that anyone lost a job because of a handshake.  In my experience you learn that some people have disabilities or health issues so you have to read the other person and adjust how firm or soft your grip is. 

So, why tell someone to be themselves when it is not true?  If one has to display a set of behaviors and be on one's best behavior as defined by others with no vote in it then how can anyone logically be themselves?  It makes no sense and I don't get this dichotomy that exists in our society.  This is another example of Orwellian Doublethink. 
 
I think that you may be served well by considering that one of the most dangerous people you may be associated with are those who do not know what they do not know.

Oh, I definitely agree.   That's why I'm here.  When I'm in a forum of either those on the autism spectrum or socialist/liberals then I'm simply in an echo chamber with others agreeing with my sentiments.  How can one grow and gain more wisdom and knowledge if one is in his echo chamber who believes they know but they really don't know and don't know that they don't know?  That's why I come here and ask questions. 

(certainty=questionable)Right now, I do accept certain things truths including what I think is true for myself and that is I don't believe I can function in society.  I believe my disability is to severe.   It might be possible with guidance and assistance but even you said and I'm paraphrasing that some things must be experienced to be taught.  If I don't think like you or others then won't min interpretation of my experiences be different then those around me?  How can I learn the correct lessons then if we're seeing different shades of colors?   If we were in an earlier time period the fact of the matter is I would more then likely institutionalized receiving shock treatment or I would be kept hidden away in the basement or the attic.  (Similar to Boo Radley in the book "To Kill a Mockingbird."  This isn't based upon my experiences.  If you look up disabilities and employment on the Bureau of Labor Statistics you will see that the majority of those with any kind of disability are either unemployed or not in the labor force.

I accept that life is not fair and none of us always gets what we want.  I accept that nothing is guaranteed.  What I don't accept to be factually true is that we make or control our destiny and everyone and anyone can succeed and support themselves.   This idea that our society accepts as truth belies and contradicts logic, truth and reality itself.  Even ancient Sparta with its brutality and its methods towards those with disabilities had premises that made more sense then this.  They accepted that not everyone born would be able to function in their given society.  And, I think Sparta was a horrible society. (/certainty)

What I said in between the (certainty=questionable) and (/certainty) I could be wrong about.  It could be possible that I'm to negative in my thoughts.  I accept this as possible.  If I'm wrong on anything then please show me.   
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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #33 on: October 09, 2018, 04:25:49 AM »
I was just thinking about this?  Does Be yourself come from the self-esteem movement and if it does should I just put that advice in the shit can with all of the rest of the advice from the self-esteem movement?

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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #34 on: October 09, 2018, 07:22:37 AM »
I was just thinking about this?  Does Be yourself come from the self-esteem movement and if it does should I just put that advice in the shit can with all of the rest of the advice from the self-esteem movement?
Ya know, instead of asking so many questions,, you need to be doing a shit load of reading, start with the bible, then maybe Shakespeare and on to Samuel Clemons, you know , the classics.
All these metaphors will be contained within.
The one you inquire about goes back to the beginning of time, be it dating or meeting a new tribe, pretentious has always been a dead give away as phony and lying about oneself.
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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #35 on: October 09, 2018, 08:19:42 AM »
Ya know, instead of asking so many questions,, you need to be doing a shit load of reading, start with the bible, then maybe Shakespeare and on to Samuel Clemons, you know , the classics.
All these metaphors will be contained within.
The one you inquire about goes back to the beginning of time, be it dating or meeting a new tribe, pretentious has always been a dead give away as phony and lying about oneself.
Being a Conservative is always about being true to yourself and not putting on an air or facade.

I've read The adventures of Tom Sawyer and the Adventures of Huckleberry Finn in school.  And, his pen name is Mark Twain.  I've also read Gulliver's Travelers and a Modest Proposal by Jonathan Swift. 

I've also read Fahrenheit 451 as well and read the short story By the waters of Babylon.

As for the Bible, I've read parts of it and had difficulty understanding some of it.  Some of it makes no sense and some of it is chocked full of metaphors that I find difficult to get.  For example was man and woman created together or separately?

As for Shakespeare I find the way he writes as unintelligible just like the wealth of nations by Adam Smith.  They're even more unintelligible then people today.   I do understand and get Romeo and Juliet by Shakespeare though but it just seemed so stupid though.    The Montagues and Capulets fought and feuded and for what?  What was the point?   And, it seemed like both sides just took pot shots at each other over nothings and slight offenses.  And, then Romeo and Juliet make the most craziest of plans without really thinking any thing through.  Love makes people do the stupidest of things.  How is love always a force for good?  The whole thing was tragic.  People let their emotions rule them.  No sense of control at all.  So much stupidity and tragedy and the characters were so foolish. 
 

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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #36 on: October 09, 2018, 09:03:00 AM »
I've read The adventures of Tom Sawyer and the Adventures of Huckleberry Finn in school.  And, his pen name is Mark Twain.  I've also read Gulliver's Travelers and a Modest Proposal by Jonathan Swift. 

I've also read Fahrenheit 451 as well and read the short story By the waters of Babylon.

As for the Bible, I've read parts of it and had difficulty understanding some of it.  Some of it makes no sense and some of it is chocked full of metaphors that I find difficult to get.  For example was man and woman created together or separately?

As for Shakespeare I find the way he writes as unintelligible just like the wealth of nations by Adam Smith.  They're even more unintelligible then people today.   I do understand and get Romeo and Juliet by Shakespeare though but it just seemed so stupid though.    The Montagues and Capulets fought and feuded and for what?  What was the point?   And, it seemed like both sides just took pot shots at each other over nothings and slight offenses.  And, then Romeo and Juliet make the most craziest of plans without really thinking any thing through.  Love makes people do the stupidest of things.  How is love always a force for good?  The whole thing was tragic.  People let their emotions rule them.  No sense of control at all.  So much stupidity and tragedy and the characters were so foolish.
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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #37 on: October 09, 2018, 11:12:14 AM »
Alienhand getting kicked in the teeth is just a saying that means that bad things can happen.  Experience in life is the best teacher and reading as Solar said is one way understanding life.  In addition you need to live through something to gain experience from it.  It is rare that a teen has experience everything at that age.  I think you do not understand what most people on this site think when it comes to the current crop of young people.  I guess it is irritating to hear them talk as if they understand the whole picture but their life and education has both led them to believe that they have all the answers while at the same time not really having all the information. 

I think that you will get more understanding here than on any left leaning site.  Conservatives believe strongly about individual freedoms,  liberals just say they do but repress any thought other than what they think is acceptable. 

As far as finding a job there are requirements for a business to make reasonable accommodations. So I think if you find the right support, I think you can find a job where your limitations can be accomodated.   One of my favorite sayings is "better to be quiet and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."  There is a lot of common sense and wisdom on this site.  It is good to be a little skeptical and ask for further explanation and if you actually listen to what the response is you will begin to understand that this forum has a more realistic view of reality than you will find on any liberal site.  They are selling some pie in the sky sentiment,  based on feelings and assumptions that are totally unrealistic.  If you get a group of people to determine how to run a business and not the people who risked it all to start it and had the drive to keep the doors open I do not expect that they will accept all for one and one for all.  The smartest or hardest working person is not going to OK with getting the same value for their work as the person who sits in the corner reading comic books or to be current staring at their phone. 

Watch videos and you will see that the far left is more about shouting people down and repeating mantras than discussing details. 
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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #38 on: October 09, 2018, 12:08:46 PM »
Alienhand getting kicked in the teeth is just a saying that means that bad things can happen.  Experience in life is the best teacher and reading as Solar said is one way understanding life.  In addition you need to live through something to gain experience from it.  It is rare that a teen has experience everything at that age.  I think you do not understand what most people on this site think when it comes to the current crop of young people.  I guess it is irritating to hear them talk as if they understand the whole picture but their life and education has both led them to believe that they have all the answers while at the same time not really having all the information. 

I think that you will get more understanding here than on any left leaning site.  Conservatives believe strongly about individual freedoms,  liberals just say they do but repress any thought other than what they think is acceptable. 

As far as finding a job there are requirements for a business to make reasonable accommodations. So I think if you find the right support, I think you can find a job where your limitations can be accomodated.   One of my favorite sayings is "better to be quiet and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."  There is a lot of common sense and wisdom on this site.  It is good to be a little skeptical and ask for further explanation and if you actually listen to what the response is you will begin to understand that this forum has a more realistic view of reality than you will find on any liberal site.  They are selling some pie in the sky sentiment,  based on feelings and assumptions that are totally unrealistic.  If you get a group of people to determine how to run a business and not the people who risked it all to start it and had the drive to keep the doors open I do not expect that they will accept all for one and one for all.  The smartest or hardest working person is not going to OK with getting the same value for their work as the person who sits in the corner reading comic books or to be current staring at their phone. 

Watch videos and you will see that the far left is more about shouting people down and repeating mantras than discussing details.
Well said. '
I might add, "Natural Law", "Core Values", understand and develop them. This is what makes a Conservative, understanding the simple fact our laws were not granted by men and the Left is literally the complete opposite.
They do not believe in individual freedoms.
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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #39 on: October 09, 2018, 09:42:37 PM »
Alienhand getting kicked in the teeth is just a saying that means that bad things can happen.  Experience in life is the best teacher and reading as Solar said is one way understanding life.  In addition you need to live through something to gain experience from it.  It is rare that a teen has experience everything at that age.  I think you do not understand what most people on this site think when it comes to the current crop of young people.  I guess it is irritating to hear them talk as if they understand the whole picture but their life and education has both led them to believe that they have all the answers while at the same time not really having all the information. 


This is what I thought you were getting at.  I never thought of it like that.  Experience being a teacher. I think I am beginning to understand life a bit better.  Life is not full of absolutes but full of probabilities.   Experience can be the best teacher because without experience one may not have the bandwidth to understand what the other person is talking about.  And, I could be biased in what I'm reading.  What I read on here and other conservative sites is that millenials are entitled and narcissistic.  And, to me that assertion is overly-simplistic.  Entitled means person believes they are owed privileges and other things they did know they didn't earn.   If they were led to believe doing a and b would earn them d and e then to me they can't be entitled.  They were misled not entitled and to call them entitled is unreasonable. They, like yours truly, acted upon what they believed to be true and reasonable.  Let's say we have a grocery worker who believes they should have a million dollars even though they know they didn't earn it.  That's entitled.   Millennials don't fit this bill or at least some of them don't.

I think that you will get more understanding here than on any left leaning site.  Conservatives believe strongly about individual freedoms,  liberals just say they do but repress any thought other than what they think is acceptable. 

Actually, I've had more conversation here then leftist sites and forums.  When I questioned them on their value of tolerance and showed them how illogical it was with the paradox of tolerance I was banned instantly.   Feminists expect us to call out their dudebros if they try to do shit to females.  I said to them that it was fine.  If one of their sisters do something to me or become out of line with me are they going to call them out.  If a female hits me or tries to fight me
 and since I'm not allowed to hit a woman are you as women going to step in on my behalf?  If we're going to have equality which I agree with then can we consistent standards.  I was ignored and banned by feminists. 

I had a feminist on my facebook friends who was trying to accuse an autistic person like myself of rape or sexual assault.  I asked for evidence of this and who the victim was.   She said she had no obligation to tell me and wanted to protect the victim.  She blocked me as well.

Let's look at Dave Rubin and the protestors.  Dave Rubin wanted to have a conversation and the protestors were vile and nasty towards the guy.  If I was there, I would have tried to have a conversation with him and ask questions.  This man is a Jewish, Gay, Male.   If one doesn't agree 100% with the leftist, SJWs say you're considered a heretic. 

As far as finding a job there are requirements for a business to make reasonable accommodations. So I think if you find the right support, I think you can find a job where your limitations can be accomodated.   

I wish I had help to do so.  Maybe I'll be proven wrong. Maybe there is a God and he'll show me the way.   I tried Voc Rehab which was a flop.  I got nothing but the run around.  But, right now, I don't think so.

One of my favorite sayings is "better to be quiet and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." 

I can't find to much fault to this.  I will say this.  If life experience is a great teacher then sometimes saying foolish things is the best way to learn if experience or others will prove you wrong or shit happens.  It is the wise person who chooses to examine what he said, realize he fucked up and learn from it.  I've said some foolish shit on here.  I understand certain things a bit better. 
There is a lot of common sense and wisdom on this site.  It is good to be a little skeptical and ask for further explanation and if you actually listen to what the response is you will begin to understand that this forum has a more realistic view of reality than you will find on any liberal site.  They are selling some pie in the sky sentiment,  based on feelings and assumptions that are totally unrealistic.  If you get a group of people to determine how to run a business and not the people who risked it all to start it and had the drive to keep the doors open I do not expect that they will accept all for one and one for all.  The smartest or hardest working person is not going to OK with getting the same value for their work as the person who sits in the corner reading comic books or to be current staring at their phone.

I accept all of this except for the idea of common sense.  I accept the sense or really sound judgement part of it but the common part.  Not so much.  Sound judgement with some exceptions is situational.  I've done things a certain way and I was told I lacked common sense.  But, is it that I lacked common sense or is it that what would would for you would work for me?   Maybe I can do something but it takes me 6 steps and for another person they take 3 steps.  They would say I should've done it the 3 step way but what if I can't do it the 3 step way and I used my own sound judgement to do it the six step way b/c I more then likely would've screwed it up if I did it the 3 step way. The problem with the common part of common sense is that your red is my green.  I don't see the world like everyone else and I don't interpret situations as others would.  And, not everyone is alike.  The common implies a universality that to me makes no sense in reality for a number of situations.  Exceptions do exist.
 
Watch videos and you will see that the far left is more about shouting people down and repeating mantras than discussing details.

Oh, I have.  Watch the Dave Rubin one. 

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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #40 on: October 10, 2018, 06:17:41 AM »
I was hoping a teacher jumped into this thread but didn't see any?  I've been married to a teacher too many years to mention. While not my full time occupation, I've tutored and taught school in technical areas and for the disabled, mostly technology use. Many friends and relatives are teachers. So when I read through this thread I felt like I had entered Oz. Lots of good sense and sensible comments but the main point of why this teacher was fired was missed. It has nothing (or little) to do with liberal or conservatives as defined today by our labeling and tribalism, which comes to be a substitute for thought and reality. My wife tells me that when they complained about this policy - this was many years ago in a parochial school -  the principal's answer was - any guesses -  we must do this to keep our students and to keep parents off our backs. I know that's not very deep or meaningful but economics matter in schools as they do in real life and parents today are...  I'll leave it there for now for I'm sure many will disagree, but think of it this way, eventually the 50 grade learns or becomes a superior plumber and the 95 does well on their sats and becomes a member of....  One last thought, economics (school stays open) and flexibility matter in life -  grades are soon forgotten. So my advice for this teacher, do your best, that's all you can do.

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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #41 on: October 10, 2018, 06:53:36 AM »
I was hoping a teacher jumped into this thread but didn't see any?  I've been married to a teacher too many years to mention. While not my full time occupation, I've tutored and taught school in technical areas and for the disabled, mostly technology use. Many friends and relatives are teachers. So when I read through this thread I felt like I had entered Oz. Lots of good sense and sensible comments but the main point of why this teacher was fired was missed. It has nothing (or little) to do with liberal or conservatives as defined today by our labeling and tribalism, which comes to be a substitute for thought and reality. My wife tells me that when they complained about this policy - this was many years ago in a parochial school -  the principal's answer was - any guesses -  we must do this to keep our students and to keep parents off our backs. I know that's not very deep or meaningful but economics matter in schools as they do in real life and parents today are...  I'll leave it there for now for I'm sure many will disagree, but think of it this way, eventually the 50 grade learns or becomes a superior plumber and the 95 does well on their sats and becomes a member of....  One last thought, economics (school stays open) and flexibility matter in life -  grades are soon forgotten. So my advice for this teacher, do your best, that's all you can do.

"Teaching, may I say, is the noblest profession of all in a democracy." Kurt Vonnegut
Public education has become the very definition of the left, Right paradigm where forming the minds of the future generation is concerned.
The left has, either accomplished their goal of dumbing down, or failing to educate, and this teacher is a perfect example.
 The schools get paid regardless, and since most can't afford a substitute plan to educate their children, they're stuck with the leftist indoctrination system.
She was only thinking of the kids, something the leftist no longer care about.
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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #42 on: October 10, 2018, 07:42:02 AM »
I was hoping a teacher jumped into this thread but didn't see any?  I've been married to a teacher too many years to mention. While not my full time occupation, I've tutored and taught school in technical areas and for the disabled, mostly technology use. Many friends and relatives are teachers. So when I read through this thread I felt like I had entered Oz. Lots of good sense and sensible comments but the main point of why this teacher was fired was missed. It has nothing (or little) to do with liberal or conservatives as defined today by our labeling and tribalism, which comes to be a substitute for thought and reality. My wife tells me that when they complained about this policy - this was many years ago in a parochial school -  the principal's answer was - any guesses -  we must do this to keep our students and to keep parents off our backs. I know that's not very deep or meaningful but economics matter in schools as they do in real life and parents today are...  I'll leave it there for now for I'm sure many will disagree, but think of it this way, eventually the 50 grade learns or becomes a superior plumber and the 95 does well on their sats and becomes a member of....  One last thought, economics (school stays open) and flexibility matter in life -  grades are soon forgotten. So my advice for this teacher, do your best, that's all you can do.

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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #43 on: October 10, 2018, 08:37:58 AM »
Well said. '
I might add, "Natural Law", "Core Values", understand and develop them. This is what makes a Conservative, understanding the simple fact our laws were not granted by men and the Left is literally the complete opposite.
They do not believe in individual freedoms.

This is a key point that the left has no idea about.  Rights are not granted to you but are inherent in being a human.  Until I read a book I think called the founders, I had no idea what a brilliant document the constitution is.  Never heard  a lot of the logic in my public school education.  It was a real turning point and why they do not teach anything like what I read in public school.   The left including politicians calling for the end of the electoral college have no concept of what the consequences would be. Look at NY and talk to people in upstate NY and you will see that NY city dominates all the political decisions and they are ignored and cut short time and again.  Get rid of the electoral college and a presidential candidate will never be seen again in Wyoming,  Montana and many other states because the large population states would be enough to win an election.  A look at a map by county who won the county looks almost entirely red, yet the high population counties swing a state to their way.

Oh my comment about remaining quite is also another way of saying listen.  Many of us spend our time thinking about what we want to say and not listening to what others say.   

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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #44 on: October 10, 2018, 09:11:11 AM »
And, why this deep profound hate for today's youth?
Not sure where you would conclude I have a profound hate for today's youth.

I'll be the bad guy. I hate today's youths. I also hate today's adults. But I do hate today's youths.

They say one bad apple spoils the bunch. But what about 300? Rotten to the core!
First Amendment isn't just Freedom Of Speech, it's Freedom Of Conscience.

Who made you the arbiter of morality? You are not Government but you sure are acting like North Korea.

 

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