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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2018, 10:39:32 AM »
Life is not fair yet it's acceptable to bitch about taxes, socialism, the constitution not being followed, etc, etc.  If you all truthfully subscribed to the maxim of life is not fair then why don't you all slog on?  Accept welfare, Accept socialism, Accept the constitution being violated.  Accept feminism.  Accept communism.  Accept illegal immigration.  If you all subscribed to this maxim of life not being fair then shut up, shut down this forum and move on with your lives.  If life is truthfully not fair and we must accept this truth then why are you guys fighting for your version of fairness?  Why bother?  Why did the founding fathers even bother with the revolutionary war and write up the constitution in the first place if we're all to accept that life is not fair?     

How do your actions belie what you all accept to be true?  We're all expected to accept that life is not fair yet none of you do.  How does this even make any kind of logical sense whatsoever?  It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.  Why aren't people consistent with what they accept as truth? 

Liberals do the same thing with tolerance.   They value tolerance except for the things they don't tolerate.  People in general are contradictory, illogical and inconsistent.  How did we even make it as a species?   

People are so freaking confusion.


How did we even make it as a species?   
Some did not, they keep living off of other. 

People are so freaking confusion.
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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2018, 11:27:56 AM »
Life is not fair yet it's acceptable to bitch about taxes, socialism, the constitution not being followed, etc, etc.  If you all truthfully subscribed to the maxim of life is not fair then why don't you all slog on?  Accept welfare, Accept socialism, Accept the constitution being violated.  Accept feminism.  Accept communism.  Accept illegal immigration.  If you all subscribed to this maxim of life not being fair then shut up, shut down this forum and move on with your lives.  If life is truthfully not fair and we must accept this truth then why are you guys fighting for your version of fairness?  Why bother?  Why did the founding fathers even bother with the revolutionary war and write up the constitution in the first place if we're all to accept that life is not fair?     

How do your actions belie what you all accept to be true?  We're all expected to accept that life is not fair yet none of you do.  How does this even make any kind of logical sense whatsoever?  It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.  Why aren't people consistent with what they accept as truth? 

Liberals do the same thing with tolerance.   They value tolerance except for the things they don't tolerate.  People in general are contradictory, illogical and inconsistent.  How did we even make it as a species?   

People are so freaking confusion.
You make no sense at all. Life is not fair, but to allow others to dictate your life really steals from the individual making their own decisions in life in turn, limiting the choices they have to improve their position in life.
You used programmers as an analogy, problem is, not all of them will be good at what they do, so those entering the field have an increased chance of success over the failures.
If you live in Silicon valley, your chances increase in being hired, but if you live in rural cow country, you chose the wrong career.
But under our system of govt, the playing field is leveled, you are entitled to make mistakes, as opposed to communism, where the govt decides your choices.

No, life is not fair, but it's more fair here than say, Cuba.
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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2018, 12:16:03 PM »
You make no sense at all. Life is not fair, but to allow others to dictate your life really steals from the individual making their own decisions in life in turn, limiting the choices they have to improve their position in life.
You used programmers as an analogy, problem is, not all of them will be good at what they do, so those entering the field have an increased chance of success over the failures.
If you live in Silicon valley, your chances increase in being hired, but if you live in rural cow country, you chose the wrong career.
But under our system of govt, the playing field is leveled, you are entitled to make mistakes, as opposed to communism, where the govt decides your choices.

No, life is not fair, but it's more fair here than say, Cuba.



He can always move to a fair country.  But that will not help him.
Hmmm....  Is there some place more fair then the U.S.   :lol:
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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2018, 03:59:25 PM »
In other words, we control our own destiny.   This does not hold up with the concept that life is not fair.  Let's say we have 500 people are has their ship steered towards becoming programmers. 

Either all 500 can become programmers and they're guaranteed to become programmers if they do certain things or life is not fair and at least some will not become programmers ergo they're not in control of their own destiny and they don't lead themselves.  There control over the destination is limited.  Either maxim is true but both maxims can't be true at the exact same time.  It's like an airplane being able to both go up and down at the exact same time.  It makes no sense.  It's illogical.  And proof by contradiction proves that at least one of these maxims must be false. 

I don't dispute the maxim that life is not fair but I don't accept that we're in control of our lives and we lead ourselves to where we wish to go.  It makes no sense.  It's illogical.  It's contradictory.  Both maxims can't hold up as true. 

This is blatantly double-think.   2 + 2 = 4.  It's out of the playbook of 1984.

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Wow, that sounded very similar to obama talking about how his economy is the new norm and there is nothing Trump can do about it. He told us jobs will not come back, the gdp will stay around 1% as the new norm, we can only improve things with a magic wand, ect. Thank God Trump did not believe him. Obama preached to those who longed for anyone or anything to blame for whatever happened in their life which they did not approve of. Wow, how convenient! We are not like the cow chip floating down the river without any control to what happens to us, for the vast majority of us we do control how we will live and how our future will play out. I understand there will always be the circumstances which we can not control, as the saying goes, shit happens. How we react to that is what separates us from each other. If there are people looking for life's guarantee's, they can stop looking, studying for a test does not guarantee an A, but not studying does not give the student the right to blame the unfair world.

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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2018, 12:22:51 PM »
Wow so much time talking around in circles to justify letting someone else take control or to say that giving up is the answer.  It absolutely is not fair because most of everything around us is something we can never control.  We can only react to it in a manner that seems to have the best outcome.  You will never get a programmer's job if you decide to not even learn how to read and instead stay in the basement and play video games. Children die of cancer and people with good educations and experience do not always get the job they want.  But get a MBA from Wharton or a law degree from Harvard and I pretty much guarantee that you will have a job when you get out of school.

The problem with the young is that they expect to be rewarded for their actions, that A always leads to B. In short they do not know how to react to life not being fair because they have been protected from fighting the good fight and still losing. Not able to pull themselves up when they get knocked down and not able to fight on even when the results are not those they dreamed of.  One thing is sure is that those who do not try or give things their best effort are certain to fail. Someone who did not go to school and succeeded is not an example of unfairness because that person pursued an idea and worked at it to get to success.

Unfortunately,  far to often I had to tell my kids the one job you can get with 100 percent success, one that takes no effort and one that will always be available to them is unemployment. No prerequisites, not training needed, no experience and certainly no effort required.   
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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2018, 01:14:50 PM »
Wow so much time talking around in circles to justify letting someone else take control or to say that giving up is the answer.  It absolutely is not fair because most of everything around us is something we can never control.  We can only react to it in a manner that seems to have the best outcome.  You will never get a programmer's job if you decide to not even learn how to read and instead stay in the basement and play video games. Children die of cancer and people with good educations and experience do not always get the job they want.  But get a MBA from Wharton or a law degree from Harvard and I pretty much guarantee that you will have a job when you get out of school.

The problem with the young is that they expect to be rewarded for their actions, that A always leads to B. In short they do not know how to react to life not being fair because they have been protected from fighting the good fight and still losing. Not able to pull themselves up when they get knocked down and not able to fight on even when the results are not those they dreamed of.  One thing is sure is that those who do not try or give things their best effort are certain to fail. Someone who did not go to school and succeeded is not an example of unfairness because that person pursued an idea and worked at it to get to success.

Unfortunately,  far to often I had to tell my kids the one job you can get with 100 percent success, one that takes no effort and one that will always be available to them is unemployment. No prerequisites, not training needed, no experience and certainly no effort required.

I understand now!   It's not that life is fair or not fair.  It's that life is not absolute.  Life is probabilistic.   The decisions one makes don't lead to B or C.  One's decisions one makes more then likely will lead to B or C.  It's that the type of decisions one makes determines a higher probability of a particular outcome.  Like, you're more likely to receive an A on a test if you study but studying doesn't absolutely lead to an A.  I've been so freaking stupid.

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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2018, 09:52:05 PM »


The problem with the young is that they expect to be rewarded for their actions, that A always leads to B. In short they do not know how to react to life not being fair because they have been protected from fighting the good fight and still losing. Not able to pull themselves up when they get knocked down and not able to fight on even when the results are not those they dreamed of.  One thing is sure is that those who do not try or give things their best effort are certain to fail. Someone who did not go to school and succeeded is not an example of unfairness because that person pursued an idea and worked at it to get to success.


And, did this happen in vacuum?  Who was in charge of them?  Who raised them?  Where did they spend a good portion of their lives?  Who were the ones put horseshit into their head?  This is the problem with personal responsibility.  We want to give those on the last link the entire pie.  Shouldn't these others on the other links on the chain be made accountable as well?  If not, why not?

Shouldn't personal responsibility be applied across the board? 

And, why this deep profound hate for today's youth? 

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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2018, 12:55:34 AM »
You make no sense at all. Life is not fair, but to allow others to dictate your life really steals from the individual making their own decisions in life in turn, limiting the choices they have to improve their position in life.
You used programmers as an analogy, problem is, not all of them will be good at what they do, so those entering the field have an increased chance of success over the failures.
If you live in Silicon valley, your chances increase in being hired, but if you live in rural cow country, you chose the wrong career.
But under our system of govt, the playing field is leveled, you are entitled to make mistakes, as opposed to communism, where the govt decides your choices.

No, life is not fair, but it's more fair here than say, Cuba.

What I'm asking is why is it wrong to want fairness in one aspect of life but morally correct to want fairness in another aspect?   Why isn't applied across the whole board?  You said "Life is not fair, but to allow others to dictate your life really steals from the individual making their own decisions in life in turn, limiting the choices they have to improve their position in life."  Is this simply an exception to the idea that life is not fair and we're morally  correct to do something about that in cases like you stated?  Like in the revolutionary war life wasn't fair but we as a people were morally correct to fight against the unfairness?  <<<Is this an exception to the rule?

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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2018, 04:27:54 AM »


He can always move to a fair country.  But that will not help him.
Hmmm....  Is there some place more fair then the U.S.   :lol:

Well, I do have a place I'd want to go. 

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/autisticstate/frequently-asked-questions-about-the-confederation-t47.html

Somewhere that those like myself are in the majority in which we set the tone and make the rules.  Somewhere I can be myself and still be able to succeed and support myself.  I want to go where I can be accepted for who I am.  Somewhere I'm not automatically rejected from a job for lack of eye contact, not shaking hands firm enough, I'm not professional enough, etc, etc. 


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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2018, 04:38:28 AM »
And, did this happen in vacuum?  Who was in charge of them?  Who raised them?  Where did they spend a good portion of their lives?  Who were the ones put horseshit into their head?  This is the problem with personal responsibility.  We want to give those on the last link the entire pie.  Shouldn't these others on the other links on the chain be made accountable as well?  If not, why not?

Shouldn't personal responsibility be applied across the board? 

And, why this deep profound hate for today's youth?

You make a good point. This situation with parenting did not begin yesterday. I saw it begin to happen the 70's when I was raising my kids. I made a conscious decision to be a parent and not a friend. Now, my son tells me often how he appreciates the way he was raised and he did not like me all the time back in those days.

There are no limits to personal responsibility. Nobody is exempt.

I don't think there is hate for today's youth. I think there is profound disgust with the system that has produced so many entitled people.
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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2018, 05:06:32 AM »
You make a good point. This situation with parenting did not begin yesterday. I saw it begin to happen the 70's when I was raising my kids. I made a conscious decision to be a parent and not a friend. Now, my son tells me often how he appreciates the way he was raised and he did not like me all the time back in those days.

There are no limits to personal responsibility. Nobody is exempt.

I don't think there is hate for today's youth. I think there is profound disgust with the system that has produced so many entitled people.

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Totally agree with this.  The parent(s) is playing a dual role.  Dual relationships such as this is a huge mistakes.   Parents should be parents to kids and not friends.  Friends should be friends and not parents.  Teachers should be teachers not friends or parents.  Schools should only concentrate on what they're designed to do which is teaching academics not giving career advice (only exception that may exist is if the student wants to work in academia one day).  Get rid of the guidance counselors.    Doctors should be doctors to their patients and not their friends, lovers, and the child of a doctor should not be their patient (to much emotional involvement.)

Keep all of these roles separate from each other.

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« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2018, 02:14:33 PM »
So far it seems to be a "she said, they said" kind of thing.

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The chief information officer for West Gate said in a statement:

"There is no district or individual school policy prohibiting teachers from recording a grade of zero for work not turned in. The district's uniform grading system utilizes letter grades a-f, numerical grades 100 to zero and grade point averages from four to zero."

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« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2018, 08:33:15 AM »
DISCLAIMER: I am one of 'those'.. a citizen who has been intensely involved in and conscious of a lot of educational (edumacational to some) issues for years and I have come to a couple of conclusions- some of which are not universally embraced.

1) Our present system of educating our children is almost a total failure.
2) The failure(s) of the public school systems are due to several factors, some of which were dutifully mentioned here previously.
    IDENTIFIED SOURCES FOR THOSE FAILURES: A) Destruction of the traditional family structure and a corresponding drive against any moral/religious grounding for the kids.
                                                                       B) About the 1970s educators were ordered and trained to believe that a child's 'self esteem' was all important. Feelings trumped all else, everyone got trophies, all kids were geniuses, all kids passed with 'honors', etc.
                                                                       C) Adults with children just handed off all responsibilities regarding curricula, methodology, etc. to a quasi-political gang called a school board.
                                                                       D) All the above, plus the BS our kids get in their outrageously expensive indoctrination in colleges, builds and reinforces an air of false expectations devoid of almost all reality which, when tested in the real world, makes the kids angry, frustrated, nasty, failures. So, they become hard core socialist/democrats. (Pretty much, anyhow.)

That teacher assigning a touch of reality to the child who did nothing and got his/her zero.. well, she was definitely one to be shouted down, fired, destroyed. Perhaps she should feel lucky those of that <ahem> school board did not try to burn her at a stake.
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Re: Teacher fired for giving student a bad grade.
« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2018, 08:51:15 AM »
DISCLAIMER: I am one of 'those'.. a citizen who has been intensely involved in and conscious of a lot of educational (edumacational to some) issues for years and I have come to a couple of conclusions- some of which are not universally embraced.

1) Our present system of educating our children is almost a total failure.
2) The failure(s) of the public school systems are due to several factors, some of which were dutifully mentioned here previously.
    IDENTIFIED SOURCES FOR THOSE FAILURES: A) Destruction of the traditional family structure and a corresponding drive against any moral/religious grounding for the kids.
                                                                       B) About the 1970s educators were ordered and trained to believe that a child's 'self esteem' was all important. Feelings trumped all else, everyone got trophies, all kids were geniuses, all kids passed with 'honors', etc.
                                                                       C) Adults with children just handed off all responsibilities regarding curricula, methodology, etc. to a quasi-political gang called a school board.
                                                                       D) All the above, plus the BS our kids get in their outrageously expensive indoctrination in colleges, builds and reinforces an air of false expectations devoid of almost all reality which, when tested in the real world, makes the kids angry, frustrated, nasty, failures. So, they become hard core socialist/democrats. (Pretty much, anyhow.)

That teacher assigning a touch of reality to the child who did nothing and got his/her zero.. well, she was definitely one to be shouted down, fired, destroyed. Perhaps she should feel lucky those of that <ahem> school board did not try to burn her at a stake.

A very good summation of what government education has become and how it got to this point.  :thumbup:
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« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2018, 09:03:29 AM »
Thanks.

I should also have mentioned, however, that those who are most likely to fail in the job market are those holding 'Liberal Arts' (as in Women's Studies/Black Studies), "Social Justice" diplomas, etc. in their tender fists.
Grads with solid math and science diplomas usually do much better.
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