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Re: Talking In Tongues
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2012, 04:37:02 AM »
The people who claim to have the supposed inside line on "Tongues" are the babbling Pentecostals.  They are cult which:

1.)  Redefines English words to suit their ideologies.
2.)  Substitutes talk for action.
3.)  Does not teach maturity in God apart from emotional activity.
4.)  Uses miniscule parts of The Bible to form vast, broad, complicated, and ineffective ideologies about God.
5.)  Cannot deliver what they advertise.
6.)  Is seen by the rest of Christendom as flaky and weak.
7.)  Has imaginary teaching that strange and "Heavenly" languages can be spontaneously spoken by people, even when such "Heavenly" languages are never recorded in The Bible.

When Kari had mentioned that it takes one to do the talking, and another to do the translating, I couldn't help but think about how it could be used to commit fraud, and convince people that things were being said, that actually weren't. I don't know if that happens, but the opportunity sure is there.

There's no denying that Christianity, or people acting in the name of Christianity, can take some very twisted turns. The Westboro Baptist Church comes to mind. They were in my state last week to protest at the funeral of a young soldier. 5000 people showed up, and formed a human wall to keep them out.

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Re: Talking In Tongues
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2012, 08:16:25 AM »
I definitely think speaking in tongues is from Ol' Nick's garage. Even he can masquerade in a pillar of light if he wanted to.

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Re: Talking In Tongues
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2012, 08:56:07 PM »
It is considered a spiritual gift, and as such, would mean that not everyone will be able to do it.  Some churches would disagree with me on that, but the Bible is pretty clear that it is a special gift.  The main story about speaking in tongues is on the day of Pentecost when the Christian church was born/the Holy Spirit came upon the 3000.  We see from that story that it takes two to legitimately speak in tongues, a speaker and a translator/one who understands.  I have only seen it happen legitimately twice, many people claim to do it, but you soon realize that they are saying the same few phrases over and over.This is probably due to the fact that in some churches they teach that if you don't speak in tounges, you are not really a true believer.

As to what language it is, I don't know.  The two times I have heard it, it sounded a bit like Hebrew, but since I don't know Hebrew, I can not confirm that.  I can confirm that of all four people (two speakers and two translators), none knew Hebrew, both said things relavent to what the pastor was saying, and were said in churches where it is seen like any other gift, not encouraged or discouraged.


I think this is a great reply. I was raised Pentacostal yet I find it all too spiritual for me to decide
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Re: Talking In Tongues
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2012, 09:44:11 AM »
I agree with a couple here.

There are striking major differences between Biblical tongues verses Charismatic tongues (a SATANIC counterfeit).

Biblically, speaking in "tongues" always involved known, earthly, established languages; and not the unknown jibber-jabber done today.

There was no need for a TRANSLATOR because EVERY MAN HEARD THE GOSPEL IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE.

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And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

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Re: Talking In Tongues
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2012, 10:30:46 AM »
I agree with a couple here.

There are striking major differences between Biblical tongues verses Charismatic tongues (a SATANIC counterfeit).

Biblically, speaking in "tongues" always involved known, earthly, established languages; and not the unknown jibber-jabber done today.

There was no need for a TRANSLATOR because EVERY MAN HEARD THE GOSPEL IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE.

Interesting.

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Re: Talking In Tongues
« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2012, 02:35:39 PM »
I agree with a couple here.

There are striking major differences between Biblical tongues verses Charismatic tongues (a SATANIC counterfeit).

Biblically, speaking in "tongues" always involved known, earthly, established languages; and not the unknown jibber-jabber done today.

There was no need for a TRANSLATOR because EVERY MAN HEARD THE GOSPEL IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE.

Bingo, Yawn. Jerusalem was a melting pot of traders, travelers, and various and sundry other visitors. On the Day of Pentecost, immediately after the Ascension of Christ, when the Holy Spirit came upon the Apostles and Disciples, mostly uneducated men conversed with and spoke Jesus unto the multitudes. That was the purpose of the 'tongues'; to preach Jesus. We have the scriptures to guide us now.
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Re: Talking In Tongues
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2012, 08:21:14 AM »
The people who claim to have the supposed inside line on "Tongues" are the babbling Pentecostals.  They are cult which:

1.)  Redefines English words to suit their ideologies.

Not true.  You could argue that they redefine Greek words...but English words?

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2.)  Substitutes talk for action.

Quite the generalization.  Are you suggesting that charismatics and pentecostals don't "do anything"?

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3.)  Does not teach maturity in God apart from emotional activity.

Untrue.

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4.)  Uses miniscule parts of The Bible to form vast, broad, complicated, and ineffective ideologies about God.

Again, untrue.

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5.)  Cannot deliver what they advertise.

Really?  What do they advertise?

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6.)  Is seen by the rest of Christendom as flaky and weak.

Really?  Care to substantiate that with something...substantive?

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7.)  Has imaginary teaching that strange and "Heavenly" languages can be spontaneously spoken by people, even when such "Heavenly" languages are never recorded in The Bible.

I can guarantee that these teachings are not "imaginary."  There is also some pretty direct allusion to "heavenly languages" in the Bible.

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Re: Talking In Tongues
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2012, 08:22:26 AM »
I agree with a couple here.

There are striking major differences between Biblical tongues verses Charismatic tongues (a SATANIC counterfeit).

Biblically, speaking in "tongues" always involved known, earthly, established languages; and not the unknown jibber-jabber done today.

There was no need for a TRANSLATOR because EVERY MAN HEARD THE GOSPEL IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE.

Interesting.  So when the Apostle Paul commands that every message in tongues in the assembly requires interpretation, he was off his rocker?  Or is his first letter to the Corinthian church not included in your Bible?

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Re: Talking In Tongues
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2012, 08:23:00 AM »
Bingo, Yawn. Jerusalem was a melting pot of traders, travelers, and various and sundry other visitors. On the Day of Pentecost, immediately after the Ascension of Christ, when the Holy Spirit came upon the Apostles and Disciples, mostly uneducated men conversed with and spoke Jesus unto the multitudes. That was the purpose of the 'tongues'; to preach Jesus. We have the scriptures to guide us now.

Bingo.  Yawn.  Except not.

Do Christians even read the Bible they revere?

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Re: Talking In Tongues
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2012, 12:03:23 PM »
Interesting.  So when the Apostle Paul commands that every message in tongues in the assembly requires interpretation, he was off his rocker?  Or is his first letter to the Corinthian church not included in your Bible?

Yes, read, but also UNDERSTAND.  If you have some true "gift", if there is no (HONEST) individual that can interpret your gibberish, then you are to KEEP QUIET.  Your gibberish does nothing to edify the body and is nearly always used to build yourself up rather than the Church.  When God or His angels come, did they EVER speak to the prophets in a language they could not understand? What would be the point of that?  There is no love for the Church in this, only your own vanity.

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« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2012, 07:33:53 AM »
Yes, read, but also UNDERSTAND.  If you have some true "gift", if there is no (HONEST) individual that can interpret your gibberish, then you are to KEEP QUIET.  Your gibberish does nothing to edify the body and is nearly always used to build yourself up rather than the Church.  When God or His angels come, did they EVER speak to the prophets in a language they could not understand? What would be the point of that?  There is no love for the Church in this, only your own vanity.

Help me out here.  You said:

"Biblically, speaking in "tongues" always involved known, earthly, established languages; and not the unknown jibber-jabber done today.

There was no need for a TRANSLATOR because EVERY MAN HEARD THE GOSPEL IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE."

There was no need for a translator, and yet Paul says, "If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret" (1 Corinthians 14:27).  You say there is no need for a translator but Paul says someone must interpret.  So which is it?

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Re: Talking In Tongues
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2012, 11:56:54 AM »
I know nothing about it.   Is it a real language?   Is it God?    Is it the devil?   What are they saying?
Anybody have any experiences with it?

Today's version of Pentacostalism (and its attendant speaking-in-tongues) are not related to the Church Age (premil) era.  Tongues ended after the Fall of Israel and is not a current spiritual gift.  I was raised in a Pentacostal church and the sheer insanity of the screaming, yelling, tongues, dancing, and collective insanity was enough (as a 13 year old) to steer me away from that and into a church where the Bible, not entertainment, was the key to spiritual growth.    I agree with a view that came out of Dallas Seminary years ago, that today's "tongues movement" is demon-inspired.
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Re: Talking In Tongues
« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2012, 09:51:28 AM »
Today's version of Pentacostalism (and its attendant speaking-in-tongues) are not related to the Church Age (premil) era.  Tongues ended after the Fall of Israel and is not a current spiritual gift.

The Bible certainly doesn't say that.  When was this "fall of Israel"?  70 A.D.?  135 A.D.?

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I was raised in a Pentacostal church and the sheer insanity of the screaming, yelling, tongues, dancing, and collective insanity was enough (as a 13 year old) to steer me away from that and into a church where the Bible, not entertainment, was the key to spiritual growth.

No legitimate Pentecostal would say that entertainment is the key to spiritual growth.  In fact, I don't even think Pentecostal doctrine says that spiritual gifts are the key to spiritual growth.  Then again, the Bible itself is not the key to spiritual growth.

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Re: Talking In Tongues
« Reply #28 on: December 14, 2012, 04:57:08 AM »
The Bible certainly doesn't say that.  When was this "fall of Israel"?  70 A.D.?  135 A.D.?

No legitimate Pentecostal would say that entertainment is the key to spiritual growth.  In fact, I don't even think Pentecostal doctrine says that spiritual gifts are the key to spiritual growth.  Then again, the Bible itself is not the key to spiritual growth.

I agree that the Bible is not the key to spiritual growth. I was raised as a Roman Catholic, and to this day, I don't like church of any kind. It always seems to come back to that particular church, and their particular interpretation of the Bible................everyone else is wrong.

I think the connection to God is both personal, and not necessarily the exact same for everyone. I would never tell anyone that my way is the only way. I'm sure that many find there way through church; it's just not for me.

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Re: Talking In Tongues
« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2012, 06:32:46 AM »
I agree with a couple here.

There are striking major differences between Biblical tongues verses Charismatic tongues (a SATANIC counterfeit).

Biblically, speaking in "tongues" always involved known, earthly, established languages; and not the unknown jibber-jabber done today.

There was no need for a TRANSLATOR because EVERY MAN HEARD THE GOSPEL IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE.

Great discussion all but I have to agree with Yawn on this one.  In the day of the Pentecost, there was a reality of all who were there to be in one accord and that is when the Spirit can really do some good.  It's kinda like they all decided to invite the spirit into their worship and in being able to do this, they would all have to turn all of their thoughts, minds and hearts toward the Savior of mankind, leaving all earthly cares and issues outside of the room.  Being in one accord, they all understood the heart of everyone else that was present-no words had to be spoken or interpreted.  Paul knew and spoke several languages that may have labeled him a speaker of tongues but in reality, he actually spoke different languages to be able to minister to the masses. 

On a different issue, someone spoke of snake handling.  I'm not a judge of these people but I trust God to handle any situation that might arise, not one that I might deliberately provoke.  I' m posting some links but I don't want anyone to be offended.  Two links are of noted songsters and two are docu type articles on this issue.  The squimesh ought to watch with caution, as I did.  Matter of fact I couldn't watch all of the docu's.
The songsters might seem to be making fun, I can assure you, they weren't.  as a pianist for several traveling gospel groups, I can tell you for a fact with my hand up that these are not jokes, they really practice this in West Virginia, maybe a few more states.  by and by, it has become illegal to do so.
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