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Talking In Tongues
« on: August 31, 2012, 07:54:08 PM »
It's something I've always wondered about. I know nothing about it.

Is it a real language?

Is it God?

Is it the devil?

What are they saying?

Anybody have any experiences with it?

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Re: Talking In Tongues
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2012, 08:32:48 PM »
It is considered a spiritual gift, and as such, would mean that not everyone will be able to do it.  Some churches would disagree with me on that, but the Bible is pretty clear that it is a special gift.  The main story about speaking in tongues is on the day of Pentecost when the Christian church was born/the Holy Spirit came upon the 3000.  We see from that story that it takes two to legitimately speak in tongues, a speaker and a translator/one who understands.  I have only seen it happen legitimately twice, many people claim to do it, but you soon realize that they are saying the same few phrases over and over.This is probably due to the fact that in some churches they teach that if you don't speak in tounges, you are not really a true believer.

As to what language it is, I don't know.  The two times I have heard it, it sounded a bit like Hebrew, but since I don't know Hebrew, I can not confirm that.  I can confirm that of all four people (two speakers and two translators), none knew Hebrew, both said things relavent to what the pastor was saying, and were said in churches where it is seen like any other gift, not encouraged or discouraged.

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Re: Talking In Tongues
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2012, 05:46:40 AM »
It is considered a spiritual gift, and as such, would mean that not everyone will be able to do it.  Some churches would disagree with me on that, but the Bible is pretty clear that it is a special gift.  The main story about speaking in tongues is on the day of Pentecost when the Christian church was born/the Holy Spirit came upon the 3000.  We see from that story that it takes two to legitimately speak in tongues, a speaker and a translator/one who understands.  I have only seen it happen legitimately twice, many people claim to do it, but you soon realize that they are saying the same few phrases over and over.This is probably due to the fact that in some churches they teach that if you don't speak in tounges, you are not really a true believer.

As to what language it is, I don't know.  The two times I have heard it, it sounded a bit like Hebrew, but since I don't know Hebrew, I can not confirm that.  I can confirm that of all four people (two speakers and two translators), none knew Hebrew, both said things relavent to what the pastor was saying, and were said in churches where it is seen like any other gift, not encouraged or discouraged.

Thanks Kari. I've seen it a couple of times on a documentary or something, and it seems a little creepy to me. Which doesn't mean it is.

Some things I think are over the top. Like the churches that use poisonous snakes during the service. If someone gets bit, it's because they aren't pure enough. Well, I've never seen it in person, but the way I see it....................snakes bite by their very nature, and God gave us a brain to know enough to leave them alone.

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Re: Talking In Tongues
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2012, 06:00:14 AM »
Thanks Kari. I've seen it a couple of times on a documentary or something, and it seems a little creepy to me. Which doesn't mean it is.

Some things I think are over the top. Like the churches that use poisonous snakes during the service. If someone gets bit, it's because they aren't pure enough. Well, I've never seen it in person, but the way I see it....................snakes bite by their very nature, and God gave us a brain to know enough to leave them alone.
I've seen it a couple of times in my life, and I also hypnotize people, so I recognize a hypnotic trance.
When people believe deeply enough in something and give themselves over to that belief, it takes on a life all it's own and the individual succumbs to their own beliefs.

Basically when they are praying deeply, they are putting themselves in a trance, at which point they are susceptible to their own suggestions and fall into a hypnotic trance.

Now, are they talking to God? Probably, because they have been released for the realm we see as reality, and have passed into another realm altogether.

I watched a friend I grew up with, go from Atheist to full Christian believer in two short months, and take to talking in tongues, something he had no idea even existed.
He finally found peace in all the 56 years I knew him, he died of a stroke 6 months later, that was last year.
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Re: Talking In Tongues
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2012, 06:04:16 AM »
I've seen it a couple of times in my life, and I also hypnotize people, so I recognize a hypnotic trance.
When people believe deeply enough in something and give themselves over to that belief, it takes on a life all it's own and the individual succumbs to their own beliefs.

Basically when they are praying deeply, they are putting themselves in a trance, at which point they are susceptible to their own suggestions and fall into a hypnotic trance.

Now, are they talking to God? Probably, because they have been released for the realm we see as reality, and have passed into another realm altogether.

I watched a friend I grew up with, go from Atheist to full Christian believer in two short months, and take to talking in tongues, something he had no idea even existed.
He finally found peace in all the 56 years I knew him, he died of a stroke 6 months later, that was last year.

Wow! Did something happen to turn him Christian?

That's amazing. I'm glad he found God/Christ before he passed on.

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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2012, 06:21:42 AM »
Wow! Did something happen to turn him Christian?

That's amazing. I'm glad he found God/Christ before he passed on.
Yes, he had been lost his entire life, his morals were in question and he only had one girl friend his entire life.
A stranger befriended him and asked him to join him at a concert, Jerry sat through nearly all of it enjoying the music and the energy and friendliness of the crowd.
When it hit him, it was a Christian concert, he wanted to have what they had found, so he opened his heart and found God.

A little background on Jerry to give you an idea just how lost and confused he was, I'll tell you a short story that sums up his life as a whole.

We were in a nightclub in Old Sacto, I was getting asked to dance every dance, Jerry got angry that he wasn't being asked, we explained that he needed to make himself available, to get out and ask them to dance.
He did and a few seconds into the dance, he whispers something into the girls ear and she hauls off and slaps him.

He returns to the table, says nothing, then proceeds to repeat the same thing two more times.
When he returned after the third slap, we ask, What in the Hell did you say to those girls"?

All pissed off, throwing his cigarettes and ashtray on the floor, and stating, All they want to do is dance, they don't want to Fu**"!

Now how lost is that? A buddy of his told him that he would go to concerts and ask nearly 300 girls, till one said yes, and Jerry saw no issue with that. :blink:

But never the less, Jerry was a childhood friend, one I shared many memories with, too bad he found God so late in life though.
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Re: Talking In Tongues
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2012, 09:47:35 AM »
Well, good for him that he saw the light. I'm not real big on going to church, but a Christian nonetheless.

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Re: Talking In Tongues
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2012, 10:04:40 AM »
Well, good for him that he saw the light. I'm not real big on going to church, but a Christian nonetheless.

While going to church helps, they don't call us Churchians, but Christians.  The church is not, and will never be, a building, but a body of believers.  :smile:  I wish I could go more, but my physical limitations and pain just don't allow it.  We are still believers.

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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2012, 09:41:14 AM »
While going to church helps, they don't call us Churchians, but Christians.  The church is not, and will never be, a building, but a body of believers.  :smile:  I wish I could go more, but my physical limitations and pain just don't allow it.  We are still believers.

God lives in the heart Kari. I've seen Christianity used as a tool to separate people from their money. God is available to anyone that asks............................money is not part of the equation. I know it sounds a little cynical, but my relationship with God, is mine alone. I don't go about trying to get others to be like me.

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Re: Talking In Tongues
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2012, 02:16:35 PM »
God can understand any language we speak and even reads our thoughts so their is no unspoken word to him, if I speak around others It is courteous to try to speak a language we all understand.

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Re: Talking In Tongues
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2012, 05:40:32 PM »
God can understand any language we speak and even reads our thoughts so their is no unspoken word to him, if I speak around others It is courteous to try to speak a language we all understand.

I used to play around with trance states when I was young. God was nice enough to take me aside and tell me that evil can also enter, and that I should not be messing around with it. All I can say, is thank you.

I'm about as dumb as it gets. God keeps me on track.

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« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2012, 05:44:38 PM »
I used to play around with trance states when I was young. God was nice enough to take me aside and tell me that evil can also enter, and that I should not be messing around with it. All I can say, is thank you.

I'm about as dumb as it gets. God keeps me on track.
Same here, and discovered the same, evil waits for the moment you are most vulnerable, and trance is a perfect opportunity for an assault.
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Re: Talking In Tongues
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2012, 05:48:56 PM »
Basically, God told me, "dude, you're so dumb that the devil can take your mind when you're not even paying attention."

He was right.

Satan is a powerful force. Abortions? Homosexuality? He never sleeps. All that is wrong will become right.

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« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2012, 06:05:57 PM »
PS- As stupid and unworthy as I am. Jesus took my sins as his own.

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Re: Talking In Tongues
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2012, 10:53:18 PM »
It is considered a spiritual gift, and as such, would mean that not everyone will be able to do it.  Some churches would disagree with me on that, but the Bible is pretty clear that it is a special gift.  The main story about speaking in tongues is on the day of Pentecost when the Christian church was born/the Holy Spirit came upon the 3000.  We see from that story that it takes two to legitimately speak in tongues, a speaker and a translator/one who understands.  I have only seen it happen legitimately twice, many people claim to do it, but you soon realize that they are saying the same few phrases over and over.This is probably due to the fact that in some churches they teach that if you don't speak in tounges, you are not really a true believer.

As to what language it is, I don't know.  The two times I have heard it, it sounded a bit like Hebrew, but since I don't know Hebrew, I can not confirm that.  I can confirm that of all four people (two speakers and two translators), none knew Hebrew, both said things relavent to what the pastor was saying, and were said in churches where it is seen like any other gift, not encouraged or discouraged.

The people who claim to have the supposed inside line on "Tongues" are the babbling Pentecostals.  They are cult which:

1.)  Redefines English words to suit their ideologies.
2.)  Substitutes talk for action.
3.)  Does not teach maturity in God apart from emotional activity.
4.)  Uses miniscule parts of The Bible to form vast, broad, complicated, and ineffective ideologies about God.
5.)  Cannot deliver what they advertise.
6.)  Is seen by the rest of Christendom as flaky and weak.
7.)  Has imaginary teaching that strange and "Heavenly" languages can be spontaneously spoken by people, even when such "Heavenly" languages are never recorded in The Bible.

 

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