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Title: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: Solar on March 26, 2013, 02:57:49 PM
And now you know why we see the left as the enemy!

The "Notice of Charges" against Ryan Rotela is contrary to a statement the university released late Friday night saying no one had been disciplined as a result of the classroom activity.

"We can confirm that no student has been expelled, suspended or disciplined by the university as a result of any activity that took place during this class," the university said in a prepared statement.

However, according to a letter written by Associate Dean Rozalia Williams, Rotela is facing a litany of charges – including an alleged violation of the student code of conduct, acts of verbal, written or physical abuse, threats, intimidation, harassment, coercion or other conduct which threaten the health, safety or welfare of any person."

"In the interim, you may not attend class or contact any of the students involved in this matter – verbally or electronically – or by any other means," Williams wrote to Rotela. "Please be advised that a Student Affairs hold may be placed on your records until final disposition of the complaint."

Hiram Sasser, director of litigation at the Liberty Institute, told Fox News the university's behavior is "outlandish" and called their press release "inaccurate."

"We believe the university punished him in retaliation for him exposing the class assignment to the public," Sasser said. "Sadly, it is a testimony to the indoctrination that some of the public schools and universities are engaging in – to demonize anything that was valuable in the culture."

The Liberty Institute wants Rotela reinstated with full credit for the course – along with an apology.

"He's being punished because he told the professor to never do the assignment again because it's offensive and that he was going to complain to the university," he said.

Rotela, a devout Mormon, ran afoul of the university after he refused to participate in a classroom assignment that involved writing the name "Jesus" on a piece of paper – and then stomping on it.

The university initially defended the Christ-bashing lesson which is included textbook titled, "Intercultural Communication: A Contextual Approach, 5th Edition."

Fox News obtained a synopsis of the lesson taught by Deandre Poole, who also happens to be vice chair of the Palm Beach County Democratic Party.

"Have the students write the name JESUS in big letters on a piece of paper," the lesson reads. "Ask the students to stand up and put the paper on the floor in front of them with the name facing up. Ask the students to think about it for a moment. After a brief period of silence instruct them to step on the paper. Most will hesitate. Ask why they can't step on the paper. Discuss the importance of symbols in culture."

The university issued an apology late Friday after a national uproar and said the exercise "will not be used again."

Rotela told Fox News he was baffled by the university's latest statement.

"The university has a huge problem with integrity," he said. "They are tripping over their own words."

The "Notice of Charges" accused the student of using threatening language. The school did not return calls seeking clarification. Rotela's attorney said he believes the perceived threat came when Rotela told the teacher "don't do that again" – in reference to stomping on the paper. The student also told the instructor, "You'll be hearing from me.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/university-files-charges-against-student-who-refused-to-stomp-on-jesus.html (http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/university-files-charges-against-student-who-refused-to-stomp-on-jesus.html)
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: Mountainshield on March 27, 2013, 03:31:06 AM
Can you imagine if they were asked to write "Allah" or "Muhammed" on that piece of paper? Of course they would never ask the student to do such as thing as even though they believe in postmodernist relativism some beliefs are more equal than others  :laugh:

This assignment seems like something a middleschool teacher would do, not really university material. I guess its part of dumbing down educational system and another tribute too how disposable or ludicrious the social sciences are. Calling it science is a insult in itself. I have a bachelor degree in political science and it has only prevented me from getting work.

I had communist teachers growing up and they always tried to ridicule western values, I don't know how we conservatives can take back the educational system when so many of us don't want to go into the teaching profession.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: Solar on March 27, 2013, 06:39:46 AM
Quote from: Mountainshield on March 27, 2013, 03:31:06 AM
Can you imagine if they were asked to write "Allah" or "Muhammed" on that piece of paper? Of course they would never ask the student to do such as thing as even though they believe in postmodernist relativism some beliefs are more equal than others  :laugh:

This assignment seems like something a middleschool teacher would do, not really university material. I guess its part of dumbing down educational system and another tribute too how disposable or ludicrious the social sciences are. Calling it science is a insult in itself. I have a bachelor degree in political science and it has only prevented me from getting work.

I had communist teachers growing up and they always tried to ridicule western values, I don't know how we conservatives can take back the educational system when so many of us don't want to go into the teaching profession.
Amazing isn't it? To you and I and every thinking person viewing this, can see it's nothing more than indoctrination, a way of breaking down family morality, a way to get kids to see that protesting core values should not be looked down upon, but seen as a right, a freedom of expression.

The left/Dims are pure evil where American culture is concerned.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: supsalemgr on March 27, 2013, 08:22:21 AM
Where is the outcry to fire the teacher for lack of tolerance? Oh that's right, tolerance is to only apply to non-leftists.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: supsalemgr on March 27, 2013, 09:06:21 AM
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/fla-governor-calls-for-investigation-of-stomp-jesus-university.html (http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/fla-governor-calls-for-investigation-of-stomp-jesus-university.html)

I just found this article concerning the fallout from this nonsense. Good for Gov. Scott not letting the university just skate on this deal. I am not one that favors politicians being involved with the education system, but sometimes, more times than we would like, educators go over the line and they need to be called on it. I am not surprised the teacher is an activist dem either.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: Solar on March 27, 2013, 09:08:48 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 27, 2013, 09:06:21 AM
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/fla-governor-calls-for-investigation-of-stomp-jesus-university.html (http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/fla-governor-calls-for-investigation-of-stomp-jesus-university.html)

I just found this article concerning the fallout from this nonsense. Good for Gov. Scott not letting the university just skate on this deal. I am not one that favors politicians being involved with the education system, but sometimes, more times than we would like, educators go over the line and they need to be called on it. I am not surprised the teacher is an activist dem either.
Problem is, our entire education is leftist indoctrination, in turn making it political.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: JustKari on March 27, 2013, 11:12:54 AM
This whole story bothers me, every aspect of it.  It bothers me that only one person spoke against this.  It bothers me that the teacher would think this was a good idea.  It bothers me that the "exercise" was supposedly to create dialog about why it might be difficult for some students to do it, but then when one DID take issue with doing it, instead of creating dialog, he was asked to leave class, then punished, proving in my mind that this was NOT about creating a dialog.  It bothers me that the university told the student not to tell anyone about the situation, they knew it was shameful and would create the backlash that it did, but they did it anyway. 



Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: Solar on March 27, 2013, 11:20:59 AM
Quote from: JustKari on March 27, 2013, 11:12:54 AM
This whole story bothers me, every aspect of it.  It bothers me that only one person spoke against this.  It bothers me that the teacher would think this was a good idea.  It bothers me that the "exercise" was supposedly to create dialog about why it might be difficult for some students to do it, but then when one DID take issue with doing it, instead of creating dialog, he was asked to leave class, then punished, proving in my mind that this was NOT about creating a dialog.  It bothers me that the university told the student not to tell anyone about the situation, they knew it was shameful and would create the backlash that it did, but they did it anyway.
Exactly Kari, he exposed their agenda.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: supsalemgr on March 27, 2013, 12:41:54 PM
Quote from: JustKari on March 27, 2013, 11:12:54 AM
This whole story bothers me, every aspect of it.  It bothers me that only one person spoke against this.  It bothers me that the teacher would think this was a good idea.  It bothers me that the "exercise" was supposedly to create dialog about why it might be difficult for some students to do it, but then when one DID take issue with doing it, instead of creating dialog, he was asked to leave class, then punished, proving in my mind that this was NOT about creating a dialog.  It bothers me that the university told the student not to tell anyone about the situation, they knew it was shameful and would create the backlash that it did, but they did it anyway.

"It bothers me that the teacher would think this was a good idea."

The teacher is lib, dem activist.  Doesn't that explain a lot about "why"?
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: JustKari on March 27, 2013, 01:26:33 PM
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 27, 2013, 12:41:54 PM
"It bothers me that the teacher would think this was a good idea."

The teacher is lib, dem activist.  Doesn't that explain a lot about "why"?

It may explain why, but it bothers me none the less.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: kramarat on March 27, 2013, 01:32:41 PM
Quote from: JustKari on March 27, 2013, 01:26:33 PM
It may explain why, but it bothers me none the less.

The word "Jesus" represented everything traditional, that they hate. Once those things are completely stomped out, they offer us "Detroit" as a replacement. :blink:
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: Yawn on March 27, 2013, 04:13:12 PM
Quote from: Mountainshield on March 27, 2013, 03:31:06 AM


This assignment seems like something a middleschool teacher would do, not really university material.

No, this is exactly what the universities do. It's the SAME sickness that drives the homosexual "marriage" issue. It's all about BREAKING DOWN tradition and replacing it with Leftist/Humanist nonsense.

Does anyone know what the legal ramifications would be if a teacher forced students to do this with MudHasmMud?  I KNOW he'd be fired, but beyond that?  Hate crime charges?  Islam is a religion/political belief that has SPECIAL rights in this country even while they pretend that they are oppressed here  :lol: Try being a Christian in Egypt now that Obama got his wish installing Islamic terrorists in that country. Syria will be next.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: Mountainshield on March 28, 2013, 05:02:23 AM
Yeah, the assignment was to reflect over the sensitive or meaning of symbols in society yet the class avoids the most sensitive controversial symbols in society today which people are willing to kill others for desecrating the muslim symbols.  :rolleyes:

This reminds me of the south park episode. Trey Paker and Matt Stone intentionally made an episode to see the reactions it would get in the media and they basicly showed two scenarios
(1) Jesus And George Bush defecating on each other
(2) Santa in a bear costume pretending to be Muhammed

No christian organization and no conservative organization cared for the blasphemy of Jesus or the disrespect of George Bush. There were no churches that demanded Trey Parker and Matt Stone be punished. But they recieved death threats from muslim group for the second scenario and the liberal media attacked them for it. Kind of interesting experiment and it shows you who the totalitarians are.

Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: supsalemgr on March 28, 2013, 05:09:26 AM
Quote from: Mountainshield on March 28, 2013, 05:02:23 AM
Yeah, the assignment was to reflect over the sensitive or meaning of symbols in society yet the class avoids the most sensitive controversial symbols in society today which people are willing to kill others for desecrating the muslim symbols.  :rolleyes:

This reminds me of the south park episode. Trey Paker and Matt Stone intentionally made an episode to see the reactions it would get in the media and they basicly showed two scenarios
(1) Jesus And George Bush defecating on each other
(2) Santa in a bear costume pretending to be Muhammed

No christian organization and no conservative organization cared for the blasphemy of Jesus or the disrespect of George Bush. There were no churches that demanded Trey Parker and Matt Stone be punished. But they recieved death threats from muslim group for the second scenario and the liberal media attacked them for it. Kind of interesting experiment and it shows you who the totalitarians are.

Not to mention the hypocrisy of the left when it comes to tolerance.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: Alexander on March 28, 2013, 05:20:26 PM
First, let me say that I don't support this kind of thing in our schools...although I'm still not sure what the "lesson" was supposed to be. The articles I've read have focused on the outrage over the incident. Does any know more details about what happened or what the students were supposed to be getting out of this? Did they do this with other religions as well?

Also, being someone that doesn't fall into the Left/Right spectrum, I don't think we should be so eager to label things as Left vs Right. What do we know about the teacher outside of this incident? Nothing I've seen says anything about his political ideology.

As for the student being disciplined, we don't know why he is in trouble and the only statement we have says it isn't because of anything that happened during that class. So again, I don't think we should be jumping to conclusions. I'm not saying that something fishy isn't going on, because this certainly 'smells', but we shouldn't make assumptions based on limited information.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: Solar on March 28, 2013, 06:17:53 PM
Quote from: Alexander on March 28, 2013, 05:20:26 PM
First, let me say that I don't support this kind of thing in our schools...although I'm still not sure what the "lesson" was supposed to be. The articles I've read have focused on the outrage over the incident. Does any know more details about what happened or what the students were supposed to be getting out of this? Did they do this with other religions as well?

Also, being someone that doesn't fall into the Left/Right spectrum, I don't think we should be so eager to label things as Left vs Right. What do we know about the teacher outside of this incident? Nothing I've seen says anything about his political ideology.

As for the student being disciplined, we don't know why he is in trouble and the only statement we have says it isn't because of anything that happened during that class. So again, I don't think we should be jumping to conclusions. I'm not saying that something fishy isn't going on, because this certainly 'smells', but we shouldn't make assumptions based on limited information.
It's purely agenda driven, the left want to destroy American culture, and what better way than to make someone callous towards others defacing Religious symbols.

synopsis of the lesson taught by Deandre Poole, who also happens to be vice chair of the Palm Beach County Democratic Party.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: kramarat on March 29, 2013, 04:11:10 AM
Quote from: Solar on March 28, 2013, 06:17:53 PM
It's purely agenda driven, the left want to destroy American culture, and what better way than to make someone callous towards others defacing Religious symbols.

synopsis of the lesson taught by Deandre Poole, who also happens to be vice chair of the Palm Beach County Democratic Party.

If I were the student, for my next project I would bring in pictures of homosexual couples, (or maybe Obama), pass them out to the entire class, and have them stomp on them. :lol:
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: Mountainshield on March 29, 2013, 04:18:41 AM
Quote from: kramarat on March 29, 2013, 04:11:10 AM
If I were the student, for my next project I would bring in pictures of homosexual couples, (or maybe Obama), pass them out to the entire class, and have them stomp on them. :lol:

You would be declared an enemy of the state  :tounge:
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: kramarat on March 29, 2013, 06:07:57 AM
Quote from: Mountainshield on March 29, 2013, 04:18:41 AM
You would be declared an enemy of the state  :tounge:

No doubt about it. :wink:

The left are really a strange bunch. They spend half their time trying to convince people that Jesus was a socialist, and the other half spitting on Him, placing Him in urine, or stomping on Him. :blink:
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: Mountainshield on March 29, 2013, 06:17:16 AM
Quote from: kramarat on March 29, 2013, 06:07:57 AM
The left are really a strange bunch. They spend half their time trying to convince people that Jesus was a socialist

Before I came to this forum I was mainly on religious forums, I left due to thing you stated here, I got so tired of debating all the time. Christian Doctrine teaches self sacrafice, charity and even reasonable taxation, but its all voluntary because God wants to judge you and give you the freedom to not do these things, this is what the socialists dont understand. government control is not voluntary.

Strange bunch indeed, for a laugh study the coalition of leftist during the spanish civil war or read Orwells Tribute to Catalonia  :laugh:
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: Solar on March 29, 2013, 06:31:08 AM
Quote from: kramarat on March 29, 2013, 04:11:10 AM
If I were the student, for my next project I would bring in pictures of homosexual couples, (or maybe Obama), pass them out to the entire class, and have them stomp on them. :lol:
Good point, he should have made her a deal, she had to stomp on a picture of her Messiah "the Child POTUS" and burn a copy of The Communist Manifesto.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: kramarat on March 29, 2013, 08:08:26 AM
Quote from: Solar on March 29, 2013, 06:31:08 AM
Good point, he should have made her a deal, she had to stomp on a picture of her Messiah "the Child POTUS" and burn a copy of The Communist Manifesto.

The idiot teacher taught a valuable lesson that they didn't intend to...

The leftist notion that others don't have a "right" to disagree with them. If allowed, they will take over the entire planet, and the right to disagree with {their} authority will be a distant memory. :sad:

What needs to be stomped out, is this intolerant line of thinking.

Along the same lines; I'm very happy to see Dr Ben Carson expose the leftist hatred of free and well accomplished blacks.

They hate Christianity and Jesus for the same reasons: Self responsibility over the dictates of the state. God is the enemy.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: Alexander on March 29, 2013, 01:30:59 PM
I still don't full understand what was going on the in that classroom.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: Solar on March 29, 2013, 04:36:03 PM
Quote from: Alexander on March 29, 2013, 01:30:59 PM
I still don't full understand what was going on the in that classroom.
Then you are thinking like a rational person, to normal people the exercise is a complete waste of time, to a Leftist with an agenda, it is making headway.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: Yawn on March 29, 2013, 05:53:40 PM
It's more than a waste of time. It was meant to OFFEND. It was meant to offend "bigoted Christians" and Western values.  Only Islam cannot be offended (well, maybe Islam and ALL other religions -- except Christianity).

Parents, students and concerned citizens should have a day of protest in which they stomp on the name of the professor -- or even the "name," Democrat Party.  :lol:
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: kramarat on March 29, 2013, 06:17:52 PM
Quote from: Yawn on March 29, 2013, 05:53:40 PM
It's more than a waste of time. It was meant to OFFEND. It was meant to offend "bigoted Christians" and Western values.  Only Islam cannot be offended (well, maybe Islam and ALL other religions -- except Christianity).

Parents, students and concerned citizens should have a day of protest in which they stomp on the name of the professor -- or even the "name," Democrat Party.  :lol:

I don't think it was meant to offend.

I think that people like this professor look at all things that represent decency, as chains that bind them. Teaching the students to reject those things is their primary objective. Islam does not represent decency, therefore it is something to be embraced and protected.

On some twisted level, these people look at God as the one thing that is standing in the way of complete freedom. When they finally win the battle, the earth as we know it will come to an end.

When they realize how wrong they were, it will be too late.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: Solar on March 29, 2013, 07:53:12 PM
Quote from: kramarat on March 29, 2013, 06:17:52 PM
I don't think it was meant to offend.

I think that people like this professor look at all things that represent decency, as chains that bind them. Teaching the students to reject those things is their primary objective. Islam does not represent decency, therefore it is something to be embraced and protected.

On some twisted level, these people look at God as the one thing that is standing in the way of complete freedom. When they finally win the battle, the earth as we know it will come to an end.

When they realize how wrong they were, it will be too late.
You're right, it wasn't meant to offend.

Gut they're too damn stupid to realize they're wrong, Hell, after 4 years of a depression and sky rocketing deficit, they still think it's Bush's fault.

Like I said earlier, it's all part of an huge agenda of deconstructing morality/core values.
If you can desensitize a child from being upset over things he knows to be wrong, like insulting a persons Religion, then it's even easier to convince them that our Founders were wrong on Freedom of Religion, and if they were wrong on one thing, they must be wrong on all counts.

I really don't see this as anything new, but just an expansion of a long sought battle for the youth of America.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: anti-American on March 30, 2013, 01:55:17 PM
I would love to be assigned to the discipline board panel that hears this case. When I was an undergrad, I only ever got to serve on panels that heard the "typical" charges (e.g., drug possession, underage drinking, etc.).

I would make the professor look like the far-left unprofessional fool that he is. First question: "Professor, explain to those of us who lack your supreme enlightenment and intelligence how stomping on pieces of paper with 'Jesus' written on them is supposed to promote critical thinking." Second Question: "Would stomping on pieces of paper with 'Mohammad' inspire critical thinking, and, if so, why didn't you have your students stomp on Mohammad?" Third question: "Do you understand how some people think this is a foolish and extremely offensive activity that resembles grade school playground shenanigans rather than the type of in class instruction one would expect to occur in a college classroom?"
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: ScandiPrincess on March 30, 2013, 02:06:25 PM
 :thumbdown:
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: Solar on March 30, 2013, 02:08:32 PM
To put this in another perspective, say, how psychologists treat PTSD in children.
It is not uncommon to treat victims of violence when attempting to take back their lives by creating dolls or images of their abuser and having them throw them in the trash, stomp on them etc, this exercise is no different, in that it is taking what is considered taboo in our society and removing it's power as a symbol.
In this case, Jesus represents a symbol of good, but in the eyes of leftists, Jesus stands in the way of progress, a progression towards removing the 1st Amendment.

As ridiculous as this sounds, the left is full of similar examples of breaking down moral codes and values, take the little black book program they sneaked in under the guise of teaching acceptance.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: supsalemgr on March 30, 2013, 03:19:07 PM
Quote from: American on March 30, 2013, 01:55:17 PM
I would love to be assigned to the discipline board panel that hears this case. When I was an undergrad, I only ever got to serve on panels that heard the "typical" charges (e.g., drug possession, underage drinking, etc.).

I would make the professor look like the far-left unprofessional fool that he is. First question: "Professor, explain to those of us who lack your supreme enlightenment and intelligence how stomping on pieces of paper with 'Jesus' written on them is supposed to promote critical thinking." Second Question: "Would stomping on pieces of paper with 'Mohammad' inspire critical thinking, and, if so, why didn't you have your students stomp on Mohammad?" Third question: "Do you understand how some people think this is a foolish and extremely offensive activity that resembles grade school playground shenanigans rather than the type of in class instruction one would expect to occur in a college classroom?"

Simple questions do not fit the lib mold. It does not allow them to divert.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus UPDATE
Post by: Solar on March 31, 2013, 05:47:42 AM
The kid said exactly what I've been saying, it was an indoctrination, not one of opening discussion.

State University System spokeswoman Kim Wilmath said officials would work closely with FAU in preparing a response to the governor's concerns.

"The State University System prides itself not only on its commitment to academic freedom, but at the same time, it's awesome responsibility to the people it serves," she said in a written statement. "We are gratified to know that FAU has apologized for any offense the exercise has caused and has pledged never to use this exercise again. Clearly, there were things the university could have done differently by its own acknowledgement."
"Anytime you stomp on something it shows that you believe that something has no value. So if you were to stomp on the word Jesus, it says that the word has no value," said Rotella.

Rotella said he voiced his concerns to his teacher's supervisor and later learned he was suspended from the class.

The governor didn't seem satisfied with the apology, saying it was "in many ways inconsequential to the larger issue of a professor's poor judgment."

"The professor's lesson was offensive, and even intolerant, to Christians and those of all faiths who deserve to be respected as Americans entitled to religious freedom," Scott said in his letter. "Our public higher educational institutions are designed to shape the minds of Florida's future leaders. We should provide educational leadership that is respectful of religious freedom of all people."
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/03/29/fau-professor-in-jesus-stomping-incident-placed-on-administrative-leave/2/ (http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/03/29/fau-professor-in-jesus-stomping-incident-placed-on-administrative-leave/2/)
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus UPDATE
Post by: kramarat on March 31, 2013, 07:10:05 AM
Quote from: Solar on March 31, 2013, 05:47:42 AM
The kid said exactly what I've been saying, it was an indoctrination, not one of opening discussion.

State University System spokeswoman Kim Wilmath said officials would work closely with FAU in preparing a response to the governor's concerns.

"The State University System prides itself not only on its commitment to academic freedom, but at the same time, it's awesome responsibility to the people it serves," she said in a written statement. "We are gratified to know that FAU has apologized for any offense the exercise has caused and has pledged never to use this exercise again. Clearly, there were things the university could have done differently by its own acknowledgement."
"Anytime you stomp on something it shows that you believe that something has no value. So if you were to stomp on the word Jesus, it says that the word has no value," said Rotella.

Rotella said he voiced his concerns to his teacher's supervisor and later learned he was suspended from the class.

The governor didn't seem satisfied with the apology, saying it was "in many ways inconsequential to the larger issue of a professor's poor judgment."

"The professor's lesson was offensive, and even intolerant, to Christians and those of all faiths who deserve to be respected as Americans entitled to religious freedom," Scott said in his letter. "Our public higher educational institutions are designed to shape the minds of Florida's future leaders. We should provide educational leadership that is respectful of religious freedom of all people."
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/03/29/fau-professor-in-jesus-stomping-incident-placed-on-administrative-leave/2/ (http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/03/29/fau-professor-in-jesus-stomping-incident-placed-on-administrative-leave/2/)

So the teacher is sitting home collecting full pay while on administrative leave? :blink:

That's completely unacceptable. They need to be fired and not allowed to return to any state university.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus UPDATE
Post by: Solar on March 31, 2013, 07:16:03 AM
Quote from: kramarat on March 31, 2013, 07:10:05 AM
So the teacher is sitting home collecting full pay while on administrative leave? :blink:

That's completely unacceptable. They need to be fired and not allowed to return to any state university.
Doesn't that just piss ya off?
You know it's because of her position in the Dim party, that's keeping her employed.
Now had she said write gay on a piece of paper and stomp on it, she would have been kicked out of the party and lost her job plus tenure.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus UPDATE
Post by: kramarat on March 31, 2013, 08:58:12 AM
Quote from: Solar on March 31, 2013, 07:16:03 AM
Doesn't that just piss ya off?
You know it's because of her position in the Dim party, that's keeping her employed.
Now had she said write gay on a piece of paper and stomp on it, she would have been kicked out of the party and lost her job plus tenure.

I know I keep repeating myself, but damn I'm tired of these people. :mad:
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus UPDATE
Post by: Solar on March 31, 2013, 09:37:50 AM
Quote from: kramarat on March 31, 2013, 08:58:12 AM
I know I keep repeating myself, but damn I'm tired of these people. :mad:
As much as I hate giving these scum their 15 minutes of fame, a lesson learned recently, is to not expose them is a mistake, because they quietly worked in the background destroying young minds.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: supsalemgr on March 31, 2013, 10:12:01 AM
I would think the university officials are on pins and needles right now. They are so used to doing this kind of stuff and nobody calls them on it. Now, they have been exposed and the gov is on their asses. He does control the purse strings and these higher education types depend on government funds to fund their excesses.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus UPDATE
Post by: kramarat on March 31, 2013, 11:05:59 AM
Quote from: Solar on March 31, 2013, 09:37:50 AM
As much as I hate giving these scum their 15 minutes of fame, a lesson learned recently, is to not expose them is a mistake, because they quietly worked in the background destroying young minds.

Exposing it, is what I do. I've been defriended on FB because of it, and banned for several months on CR4 because of it. :biggrin:

I'm not stopping...as long as live.

I like to think that at some point, people will just be embarrassed to be associated with this hate filled garbage. That's all it is; hate filled, intolerant nonsense. The opposite of the tea party types.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus UPDATE
Post by: walkstall on March 31, 2013, 12:52:01 PM
Quote from: Solar on March 31, 2013, 05:47:42 AM
"Anytime you stomp on something it shows that you believe that something has no value. So if you were to stomp on the word Jesus, it says that the word has no value," said Rotella.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/03/29/fau-professor-in-jesus-stomping-incident-placed-on-administrative-leave/2/ (http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/03/29/fau-professor-in-jesus-stomping-incident-placed-on-administrative-leave/2/)


I for one say.  What there dancing around is that there saying that Jesus, has no "value".   The officials can color it how they like with BS. (PC/phrases)  It's not just the word Jesus they were asking for them to stomp on.  But then that's just my way of thinking. 

What next, have a hanging in class for a debate topic.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus UPDATE
Post by: anti-American on April 04, 2013, 09:00:19 PM
Quote from: Solar on March 31, 2013, 09:37:50 AM
As much as I hate giving these scum their 15 minutes of fame, a lesson learned recently, is to not expose them is a mistake, because they quietly worked in the background destroying young minds.

I know a lot of conservatives think that crazy leftist indoctrination happens frequently in college classrooms but that was not my experience in college. And no, I didn't go to Hillsdale or some other conservative college.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus UPDATE
Post by: TboneAgain on April 04, 2013, 09:50:30 PM
Quote from: American on April 04, 2013, 09:00:19 PM
I know a lot of conservatives think that crazy leftist indoctrination happens frequently in college classrooms but that was not my experience in college. And no, I didn't go to Hillsdale or some other conservative college.

It was my experience in college -- a small-town community college -- and more especially in my high school classes.

I went to high school in a single-school city in southwestern Ohio (trying not to say Miamisburg) and some of the teachers in the late 1960s and early 1970s would not have been let out of my mother's house in the morning (had they slept there the night before) because their personal hygiene was so bad. They  talked the college talk, but they looked like hippies and tramps. They actively encouraged misbehavior as "alternative thinking" and openly and loudly campaigned for every school levy and liberal ballot issue there was. Reading assignments were studies in leftist thinking -- 1984, Catcher In The Rye, When The Legends Die, and so on. I will always remember the histrionic disappointment expressed by my eighth-grade (!!) English teacher when he had to announce that our field trip to see Romeo and Juliet at a downtown theater had been quashed by one unenlightened parent who didn't think her 12-year-old was ready to see Olivia Hussey's boobs. (We saw Oliver! instead.) The word got out somehow as to who the poor kid was whose mom didn't want her to get a cinematic introduction to sex, and we were invited to ridicule the kid forever.

Lib/progs don't take names, they kick ass. Time we started doing the same.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: anti-American on April 04, 2013, 10:03:17 PM
Maybe things were different 40 years ago. I can only speak from personal experience. I just think that conservatives tend to exaggerate the leftist indoctrination on college campuses. I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: TboneAgain on April 04, 2013, 10:42:22 PM
Quote from: American on April 04, 2013, 10:03:17 PM
Maybe things were different 40 years ago. I can only speak from personal experience. I just think that conservatives tend to exaggerate the leftist indoctrination on college campuses. I could be wrong.

The leftist indoctrination extends far beyond college campuses. It is the norm throughout public school systems at every level, and has been for quite some time. You appear to be a product of a leftist education, based on your postings.

If you would, please, can you tell me how many times you encountered a right-leaning or conservative instructor in your college career?
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: Solar on April 05, 2013, 05:45:59 AM
Quote from: American on April 04, 2013, 10:03:17 PM
Maybe things were different 40 years ago. I can only speak from personal experience. I just think that conservatives tend to exaggerate the leftist indoctrination on college campuses. I could be wrong.
Things are far worse today, me thinks one can't see the forest for the trees.
Look at the history of the public school system, it was developed by a socialist, later the removal of God.
Sometimes it's hard to see the changes on the block you grow up in, till you return 30 years later, school is the same, a system of indoctrination, PC if you will.
Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: JustKari on April 05, 2013, 06:25:43 AM
Quote from: American on April 04, 2013, 10:03:17 PM
Maybe things were different 40 years ago. I can only speak from personal experience. I just think that conservatives tend to exaggerate the leftist indoctrination on college campuses. I could be wrong.

My first two years of college were at a Christian college, and there was only a slight left bent, mostly in the classes considered "transferable generals".  However my last two years were at the UofM, Minneapolis, and every single class I took, including French, was liberal. 

My high school was unbearabley, unabashedly liberal.  My history and civics teachers would openly say that Republicans never did anything worthwhile (it might have been why I spent so much time studying political cartoons).  In tenth grade English, my teacher believed in polyamory and every book we read was about sex.  We had to do oral reports in her class, I found out real quick that I better stick to fluff topics, if I planned on passing.  My psych teacher was anti-gun and attacked me in class for saying that I believed we should be able to protect ourselves in our homes.  On and on.

While my experience may not be universal, it seems to be roughly the same as my high school cohorts who went to other universities.

Title: Re: Stomp On Jesus
Post by: anti-American on April 05, 2013, 11:21:40 AM
Quote from: TboneAgain on April 04, 2013, 10:42:22 PM
You appear to be a product of a leftist education, based on your postings.

What makes you think that I am "a product of leftist education"? I have a reputation for being extremely conservative and I do align myself with conservatives because I have conservative views on almost all issues that are important to me and conservatives tend to be good, intelligent, hard-working people while too many leftists in the country are extremely hateful, childish, and hypocritical. With that said, I am probably viewed as more conservative than I really am because I rarely talk much about the few issues that I have more liberal views on.


Quote from: TboneAgain on April 04, 2013, 10:42:22 PMIf you would, please, can you tell me how many times you encountered a right-leaning or conservative instructor in your college career?

In college, I never knew for sure the political persuasions of most of my professors but it is true that among the few professors whose political leanings I knew for sure, most were liberals. I did have a conservative astronomy instructor though and I had several professors that I am 99 percent sure were conservatives or conservative-libertarians. But, with the possible exception of one professor who preached on behalf of the faculty union sometimes before class began, none of my liberal professors indoctrinated students and none of my professors, including the faculty union enthusiast, penalized me for having conservative views. Some of my favorite professors who liked me the most were card-carrying liberals who knew what my political views are. I was outspoken in class about my political views and I know for sure that not one professor ever held that against me.