Re: Who America needs

[kalash]

Point being the Founders did not specify any particular religion,  amongst others beliefs.

Did they mean this one?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/01/29/satanic-group-set-to-lead-phoenix-city-council-in-prayer.html
The local Satanic Temple will deliver the invocation at the Council's Feb. 17 meeting after winning approval - Fox 10 reported Thursday.

[carlb]

Where was ANY thing mentioned about a theocracy?  You are sounding like a fracking liberal. Talk about your strawman arguments.

ONLY what YOU say TEA is, that's what TEA is. That will be a HUGE surprise to the TEA organization in Bozeman, MT.

And again, if you truly think reducing taxes is the ay to gain control of a government that simply spends regardless of revenues, you are as deluded as the morons carrying Hillary signs.

Fuck it. You are as oppressive as the government.  I'm gone.

Yes. I hope not. It's a better place with your voice (and people like Kroz) than without. I am with you though. I'm not "offended" by various points of view like the PC cancer here. It is the squelching that is offensive. It's NOT conservative. It's Progressivism. Still, a forum is somebody else's playground/home and we are guests. If you choose to participate, it should be on your host's terms.

[carlb]

Did they mean this one?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/01/29/satanic-group-set-to-lead-phoenix-city-council-in-prayer.html
The local Satanic Temple will deliver the invocation at the Council's Feb. 17 meeting after winning approval - Fox 10 reported Thursday.

No they didn't. Of course you knew that and you're making the point.

THEY only intended this land to be a sanctuary for various CHRISTIAN sects and those who would at least not fight those CHRISTIAN concepts. They never considered that we should abandon our common CHRISTIAN CULTURE and turn it over to HOSTILE religions. The cult of Islam has no place here  but the threat to freedom on THIS forum is the HOSTILE religion of athiesm. It is for their sake that freedom loving AMERICANS must take THEIR conversations to the back of the bus. It upsets them and they cry secretily to the forum bosses that they are offended by WORDS they don't want to hear.

[SueAnn]

No they didn't. Of course you knew that and you're making the point.

THEY only intended this land to be a sanctuary for various CHRISTIAN sects and those who would at least not fight those CHRISTIAN concepts. They never considered that we should abandon our common CHRISTIAN CULTURE and turn it over to HOSTILE religions. The cult of Islam has no place here  but the threat to freedom on THIS forum is the HOSTILE religion of athiesm. It is for their sake that freedom loving AMERICANS must take THEIR conversations to the back of the bus. It upsets them and they cry secretily to the forum bosses that they are offended by WORDS they don't want to hear.

Bravo.

[Solar]

No they didn't. Of course you knew that and you're making the point.

THEY only intended this land to be a sanctuary for various CHRISTIAN sects and those who would at least not fight those CHRISTIAN concepts. They never considered that we should abandon our common CHRISTIAN CULTURE and turn it over to HOSTILE religions. The cult of Islam has no place here  but the threat to freedom on THIS forum is the HOSTILE religion of athiesm. It is for their sake that freedom loving AMERICANS must take THEIR conversations to the back of the bus. It upsets them and they cry secretily to the forum bosses that they are offended by WORDS they don't want to hear.

So tell me, how is it this forum has functioned for years without any issues, until a tiny minority comes along and wants to change the rules that effect everyone?
Funny how you'll be the first to bitch when the left pulls this kind of shit, yet fail to see your own hypocrisy in doing the exact same thing.
And you know, it's sad that you see having a forum dedicated to discussing issues near and dear to you and your ilk as being some how "relegated to the back of the bus".

All I ever asked of people of this forum, that the Poli forum remain political only, that all other subjects be posted in their relative forums, but nooooo, instead,we have a minority dictating to the majority.
Well Carl, if were that damned oppressive, then find another forum that suits your needs, or I'll assist you in your endeavors and that goes for anyone else that takes issue with the rules of this forum.

Believe me people, it's no sweat off my ass, especially if it means not having to deal with your incessant whining.

[taxed]

Fine. Have at it. You want to focus on YOUR individual, narrow, one-topic definition of TEA, that is your choice. There are several million TEA advocates all over the United States, and I can guarantee you less than one in 10,000 would agree with you that TEA is about one and only one thing, despite its moniker.

Do we all have to be your particular denomination in order to support TEA?

You say that the focus is trimming back federal authoritarianism, and then choose to ignore one of the main problems with current authoritarianism of the federal government is the deliberate quashing of traditional Christian values. Or have you forgotten about Obamacare forcing NUNS to provide insurance which provides for abortions? Or how about the way they have taken the SCOTUS decision on gay marriage to mean Christians must disobey God in order to obey the federal government? Yet is someone does the mere mention of core Christian values in relation to a political topic, its OFF WITH THEIR POSTS!!!  Clue: WE are not the ones who are mixing politics with religion - it is the very government which we, as practicing Christians need to trim back. Religion has BECOME a part of politics because of the actions of the government, not because of the actions of Christians.

That sounds like a great topic in the Religion Forum!

What are you afraid of?  Remember: If you deny me before men, I will deny you before my father in Heaven." I will NOT deny Him. Therefore I guess I will just have to risk being banned.

I'm sorry we want to keep religious talk in the Religion forum -- the forum we dedicated to religion and stuff.  Can you ever forgive us?

BTW: did you miss the fact that the original post was quoting Cruz, who in turn was clearly advocating a return to Christian principles in our society?  Seems Cruz's suggestion that we need to return to a moral core that is the topic of the thread, How can we NOT mention religion when it's the topic of the thread?

I know, right!  I mean, it's not like you're really upset or anything....

[taxed]

I am fully aware of what the TEA moniker stands for.  Unlike you, however, I am also aware that the TEA movement stands for a whole lot more. TEA is the tent under which modern American conservatives are gathering, due to the unfortunate fact that the party which gives lip service to our principles invariably betrays them as soon as the last ballot is counted.

Everyone's aware of that.  Sorry.

You say one step at a time, which is not a bad strategy. There are issues which need to be put aside until we get a better beachhead established.  But you tell God that He needs to take a back seat while we get our secular concerns in order and I can pretty much guarantee you, we WILL FAIL.

Well, is God cool if we just keep religious content in the Religion forum?  Tell him I'd appreciate it.

I refer to the quote in the OP from which this segregated thread came from:[/b][/i]

What made this nation great was our individual and societal dedication to God. That dedication has been thrust aside, minimalized, and is in the process of being utterly buried under humanism. The First Amendment was written to protect our ability to express religion freely, NOT, as claimed by the humanist progressives we laughingly call liberals, NOT to secularize our government.  Unless we get back to the GODLY principles which at one time made this a great nation, nothing else we can do will matter.

...still waiting for the part where we disagree......

Also, the 18+ trillion dollar national debt pretty much demonstrates that cutting taxes as a central focus of our movement is not going to do SQUAT about reigning in an out-of-control federal government.  We could cut taxes to zero and they'll just go on their merry way, borrowing from the future, writing blank checks on the federal reserve, converting SSI revenues intp treasury notes so the funds can be added to the general budget, and writing more invasive, controlling, unconstitutional laws, executive orders, and regulations.

...still waiting....

In short, TEA moniker not withstanding, we can not afford to make our movement a one-topic, one issue (taxes) and expect to achieve the changes we need.  And that's the practical argument.

The additional argument is that God will not sustain us if we put Him in second place.

Anyhoo, we agree, but for some reason, you're just failing to grasp that you can believe in God but maybe not go to your church.  It's OK.  Nobody really cares.

[Solar]

Everyone's aware of that.  Sorry.
Well, is God cool if we just keep religious content in the Religion forum?  Tell him I'd appreciate it.
...still waiting for the part where we disagree......
...still waiting....
Anyhoo, we agree, but for some reason, you're just failing to grasp that you can believe in God but maybe not go to your church.  It's OK.  Nobody really cares.

Ya know, this is the kind of shit leftists pull, eg. Walmart, fast food and Unions.
What is it with libs and emotion when they can't have their way?
Why is it our successful business model has to change because a handful of loudmouths think it's unfair? Wahhh!!!

Why is it other successful business models aren't allowing scripture in their places of business?
Maybe you all could force Target to print Revelations on their shopping bags, or maybe you could even force them to say Praise our Savior in their commercials.

I don't know Taxed, but I'm ready to shit can the Religion forum altogether and put an end to this bull shit!
Disclaimer: God is first and foremost in my life, without him this forum wouldn't even exist, and one thing God taught me was to always stand on principle, and this is definitely one of them.

I'm dead serious, I'm done with this incessant whining. I gave them a place and they shit on me.
Fuck it, lets close it!

[tac]

We are a POLITICAL forum and people usually go to one to discuss politics. If I want to discuss religion, I would normally go to a religion forum rather than trying to force my needs on the forum as a whole. IMHO.

[supsalemgr]

Ya know, this is the kind of shit leftists pull, eg. Walmart, fast food and Unions.
What is it with libs and emotion when they can't have their way?
Why is it our successful business model has to change because a handful of loudmouths think it's unfair? Wahhh!!!

Why is it other successful business models aren't allowing scripture in their places of business?
Maybe you all could force Target to print Revelations on their shopping bags, or maybe you could even force them to say Praise our Savior in their commercials.

I don't know Taxed, but I'm ready to shit can the Religion forum altogether and put an end to this bull shit!
Disclaimer: God is first and foremost in my life, without him this forum wouldn't even exist, and one thing God taught me was to always stand on principle, and this is definitely one of them.

I'm dead serious, I'm done with this incessant whining. I gave them a place and they shit on me.
Fuck it, lets close it!

The Religion forum is not one I am heavily involved with. However, I believe it provides an outlet at times. I would not ditch it, but maintain our position that if someone wants to discuss religion they do it in the forum. Do not allow a few abusers to dump the whole subject. Dump the abusers if they persist in posting religious topics in other forums.

[Solar]

The Religion forum is not one I am heavily involved with. However, I believe it provides an outlet at times. I would not ditch it, but maintain our position that if someone wants to discuss religion they do it in the forum. Do not allow a few abusers to dump the whole subject. Dump the abusers if they persist in posting religious topics in other forums.

Input appreciated.