Problems with the so-called "watchmaker" argument

Started by Sci Fi Fan, November 05, 2012, 01:16:33 PM

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Murph

This never makes sense for atheists, but I will try. God is transcendent, independent from our world/universe, all science, and is beyond true human perception without His use of miracles, angels, and many more methods.
Science can not prove God, that is why the whole thing is called FAITH. Go ahead call me a close-minded fool.

kramarat

Quote from: Murph on November 06, 2012, 10:19:03 PM
This never makes sense for atheists, but I will try. God is transcendent, independent from our world/universe, all science, and is beyond true human perception without His use of miracles, angels, and many more methods.
Science can not prove God, that is why the whole thing is called FAITH. Go ahead call me a close-minded fool.

The only thing that's foolish, is getting into discussions with people that demand scientific evidence of God's existence. Which is why I've checked out of this thread. :wink:

Sci Fi Fan

Quote from: Murph on November 06, 2012, 10:19:03 PM
This never makes sense for atheists, but I will try. God is transcendent, independent from our world/universe, all science, and is beyond true human perception without His use of miracles, angels, and many more methods.
Science can not prove God, that is why the whole thing is called FAITH. Go ahead call me a close-minded fool.

By this logic, I can declare the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.  Go ahead and disprove me.  He's beyond space, time, logic and science.  By your inane "logic", my position is unbeatable.

But let me repeat:

You are openly denouncing a logical, empirical analysis of your deity!

What kind of joke of a debater actually admits that his position cannot be supported through reason and facts?


Sci Fi Fan

Quote from: kramarat on November 08, 2012, 04:54:55 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/albert-einstein-and-the-s_b_800936.html

:rolleyes: Huffington post?

Before I read over that article, I'll point out that Einstein rejected the notion of a personal god, and considered the stories in the bible to be ridiculous.  Of course, this is an Appeal to Authority, but...

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6688917/ns/world_news/t/there-god-leading-atheist-concludes/

Hey, look here!

kramarat

#20
Now you can't decide which God you want proof of. Go argue with a Muslim. :biggrin:

If the concept of God scares you, lets use a Star Wars analogy. Maybe you'll understand.

darkness vs light

good vs evil

love vs hate

giving vs taking

Last Thurs the POTUS called for his followers to vote for revenge. On Tues he won the election.

Look around Luke.............the Dark side grows stronger by the day.

Homosexual sex and the killing of babies just won an election.

Sci Fi Fan

Quote from: kramarat on November 08, 2012, 04:54:55 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/albert-einstein-and-the-s_b_800936.html

Now you almost certainly don't understand what the guy is talking about (and he doesn't seem to either), but Greene is making the laughable argument that, because the universe contains a vast quantity of energy...it is a deity.  Implicitly, it is sentient, there is an afterlife and...

wait, by his "lots of energy = intelligence" argument, does that mean the sun is more intelligent than me?

Yeah, your article is full of shit.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6688917/ns/world_news/t/there-god-leading-atheist-concludes/

Ad hominem. 

Quote from: kramarat on November 08, 2012, 12:58:37 PM
Now you can't decide which God you want proof of. Go argue with a Muslim. :biggrin:

If the concept of God scares you, lets use a Star Wars analogy. Maybe you'll understand.

darkness vs light

good vs evil

love vs hate

giving vs taking

Last Thurs the POTUS called for his followers to vote for revenge. On Tues he won the election.

Look around Luke.............the Dark side grows stronger by the day.

Homosexual sex and the killing of babies just won an election.

This isn't scientific.  This isn't logically coherent.  This is appealing to a fictional movie to prove the existence of a being.

In other words, this is the most ridiculous nonsense I've seen all day.   :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

kramarat

For 20 years, our POTUS fell to his knees and worshipped at the altar of a man that said, "GOD DAMN AMERICA".................and he won a second term.

Son, if you cannot see evil when you are surrounded by it, nothing I say will convince you that God exists. Good luck.

Sci Fi Fan

Quote from: kramarat on November 08, 2012, 01:40:59 PM
For 20 years, our POTUS fell to his knees and worshipped at the altar of a man that said, "GOD DAMN AMERICA".................and he won a second term.

Son, if you cannot see evil when you are surrounded by it, nothing I say will convince you that God exists. Good luck.

Is this supposed to be a logical argument?   :lol:

kramarat

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 08, 2012, 03:01:33 PM
Is this supposed to be a logical argument?   :lol:

It is to me. Sorry if you can't see it.

Sci Fi Fan


kramarat


Sci Fi Fan

You are aware that I can copy your arguments word for word, and substitute "god" for "flying spaghetti monster", without lowering its legitimacy or logical (in)coherence, right?

kramarat

#28
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 11, 2012, 06:55:15 AM
You are aware that I can copy your arguments word for word, and substitute "god" for "flying spaghetti monster", without lowering its legitimacy or logical (in)coherence, right?

Go for it. :thumbsup:

Hey. Good news!!!!!

I found you a site where you can type until your fingers are blue............and somebody might even pay attention. :wink:

Here's a good one:

http://www.debate.org/opinions/are-the-terms-b-c-and-a-d-disrespectful-of-non-christian-religions

Sci Fi Fan

Quote from: kramarat on November 11, 2012, 07:23:45 AM
I found you a site where you can type until your fingers are blue............and somebody might even pay attention. :wink:

In other words, you don't even have the pretense of a logical argument, and ridicule the concept that someone would demand coherency in a debate.   :rolleyes: