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Re: Orthodox Christianity
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2018, 06:06:09 PM »
Greetings Milos ~ I am also Orthodox Christian ( Armenian )  ```

Just read you posts ~ some of it anyway ~ I think ~ I know what you were saying ~ but ~ at times ~ you ~ well ~ were not saying it ```

Orthodox Christianity ~ is part of the "Universal Chruch " The word Catholic = Universal ```

The Roman Church ~ took on the name Catholic ~ implying they were the Universal Church ~ not a part or member of the Universal Church ```

And as you said ~ deciding that the Roman Pope was the head of the Universal Church ~ Meant that the bishop of Rome was ~ well ~ chief bishop of all bishops ```

I went to Catholic school ~ in the U.S. ~  What the Roman church uses as verification is : Mathue 16: 18


ով ես ասում ես, ես եմ    Դուք Քրիստոսն եք   
Դու քարը ես, բայց այդ ժայռի վրա ես կկառուցեմ իմ եկեղեցին
ով ես ասում ես, ես եմ ~

Christ asks Peter : Who do you say I AM ~ Peter answers: "You are the Christ "~ Jesus says: You are a stone ~ using : (Cepha in Aramaic and Petros in Greek, meaning “Rocky”), promising to build his church on this “rock” (also cepha in Aramaic and petra in Greek).

Petro meaning stone ~ Petra meaning great mass of stone like a mountain or ledge of rock ~ ( That I AM THE CHRIST)

On the Fact that I AM the Christ ~ I will build My Church ```

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Milos ~ did I over or under state this ~ please let me know ```

I am happy to have met you here  ~ thank you for opening this thread ```

Welcome, Valley Ranch. :thumbup:
How in the world did you find this obscure thread in all of the Internet? :biggrin:
I like Milos, he brings a wonderful new perspective to the forum.
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Re: Orthodox Christianity
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2018, 06:21:27 AM »
Greetings Milos ~ I am also Orthodox Christian ( Armenian )  ```

Just read you posts ~ some of it anyway ~ I think ~ I know what you were saying ~ but ~ at times ~ you ~ well ~ were not saying it ```

Orthodox Christianity ~ is part of the "Universal Chruch " The word Catholic = Universal ```

The Roman Church ~ took on the name Catholic ~ implying they were the Universal Church ~ not a part or member of the Universal Church ```

And as you said ~ deciding that the Roman Pope was the head of the Universal Church ~ Meant that the bishop of Rome was ~ well ~ chief bishop of all bishops ```

I went to Catholic school ~ in the U.S. ~  What the Roman church uses as verification is : Mathue 16: 18


ով ես ասում ես, ես եմ    Դուք Քրիստոսն եք   
Դու քարը ես, բայց այդ ժայռի վրա ես կկառուցեմ իմ եկեղեցին
ով ես ասում ես, ես եմ ~

Christ asks Peter : Who do you say I AM ~ Peter answers: "You are the Christ "~ Jesus says: You are a stone ~ using : (Cepha in Aramaic and Petros in Greek, meaning “Rocky”), promising to build his church on this “rock” (also cepha in Aramaic and petra in Greek).

Petro meaning stone ~ Petra meaning great mass of stone like a mountain or ledge of rock ~ ( That I AM THE CHRIST)

On the Fact that I AM the Christ ~ I will build My Church ```

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Milos ~ did I over or under state this ~ please let me know ```

I am happy to have met you here  ~ thank you for opening this thread ```

Hi, Valley Ranch, nice to meet you. Maybe we should point out that the Armenian Church is Oriental Orthodox and not Eastern Orthodox, because there are some differencies in the beliefs, for example, the Armenian Church is miaphysite, while the Eastern Orthodox Churches are dyophysite.

Briefly:
Dyophysitism is the Christological position that two natures, divine and human, exist in the person of Jesus Christ;
Miaphysitism is a Christological formula holding that in the person of Jesus Christ, divine nature and human nature are united in a compound nature, the two being united without separation, without mixture, without confusion and without alteration;
Monophysitism is the Christological position that, after the union of the divine and the human in the historical incarnation, Jesus Christ, as the incarnation of the eternal Son or Word (Logos) of God, had only a single nature.

Thank you for further clarifying the "Catholic issue". I said that Catholic meant Universal because that came first in my mind. I meant universal by the Church doctrine, that all of the Eastern Orthodox Churches have one universal Christian doctrine which gives the correct glory to Jesus Christ. But I obviously messed up with it, and Dave gave the right explanation, it means that each diocese is whole and complete Body of Christ. And therefore, that all dioceses are equal, and all bishops are equal. And so, the Roman Catholic Church is anti-Catholic in reality, and the Pope in Rome has hijacked the Church from Jesus.

I was actually hoping that someone who knows more than me will also join this thread to teach me better, I was not trying to be looking smart or to be talking to myself, lol. It is difficult for an "ordinary believer" like me, who wants just to be faithful to Jesus, when he tries to get more deep into the doctrine of his Church, and then encounters with things like "dyophysite" and "monophysite", it's like "give me a break, I just want to be a Christian", but, one must understand what are his beliefs. I wish Dave joins with more engagement.
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Re: Orthodox Christianity
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2018, 06:44:02 AM »
I like Milos, he brings a wonderful new perspective to the forum.

Ha ha, thank you, Solar. I hope that "wonderful new perspective" is not an euphemism for "being annoying", ha ha ha. I am trying to bring some original topics and ideas, and I always think like "will he boot me now or nah, later". :smile: Thank you for making this place feels like home.
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Re: Orthodox Christianity
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2018, 07:29:29 AM »
Ha ha, thank you, Solar. I hope that "wonderful new perspective" is not an euphemism for "being annoying", ha ha ha. I am trying to bring some original topics and ideas, and I always think like "will he boot me now or nah, later". :smile: Thank you for making this place feels like home.
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 No, I was serious. You bring a different perspective to everything you post, not something Americans would normally hear.
I think the only time we ever disagreed, was when you challenged the term "Conservative, which has an entirely different meaning in Europe.

But beyond that, we align in core values and only differ in their nomenclature.
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Re: Orthodox Christianity
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2018, 08:00:02 AM »
Ha ha, thank you, Solar. I hope that "wonderful new perspective" is not an euphemism for "being annoying", ha ha ha. I am trying to bring some original topics and ideas, and I always think like "will he boot me now or nah, later". :smile: Thank you for making this place feels like home.

I appreciate your insight also. It is difficult to get unbiased news about Europe in the US. You bring us what the normal man in the street is thinking.
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Re: Orthodox Christianity
« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2018, 08:16:53 AM »
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 No, I was serious. You bring a different perspective to everything you post, not something Americans would normally hear.
I think the only time we ever disagreed, was when you challenged the term "Conservative, which has an entirely different meaning in Europe.

But beyond that, we align in core values and only differ in their nomenclature.

:smile: :smile: :smile: Ha ha, thank you once again. For a foreigner, it is always difficult to achieve the real balance between being interesting and being annoying, and it is also not easy to figure out what kind of language to use, and do we even think of the same terms in the same way.

The issue with "conservative" is that is has different meaning in every culture, while the "progressives" are everywhere the same.
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Re: Orthodox Christianity
« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2018, 08:25:10 AM »
I appreciate your insight also. It is difficult to get unbiased news about Europe in the US. You bring us what the normal man in the street is thinking.

Thank you, I appreciate that. (And especially for acknowledging me being normal, ha ha.) I believe that the lack of real information can be dangerous and even fatal sometimes, so I am trying to bring some true information, and especially explanations, although one can't be completely objective and unbiased, but you are probably already aware of that fact.
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Re: Orthodox Christianity
« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2018, 08:42:41 AM »
:smile: :smile: :smile: Ha ha, thank you once again. For a foreigner, it is always difficult to achieve the real balance between being interesting and being annoying, and it is also not easy to figure out what kind of language to use, and do we even think of the same terms in the same way.

The issue with "conservative" is that is has different meaning in every culture, while the "progressives" are everywhere the same.
Agree. The very meaning of Conservative translates to conserving, one generally in support of traditional values, not quick to change, but not adverse to slow change either, just prefers that change be taken slowly so as to adapt and absorb and not disrupt societal norms.

Progressive, liberals, etc, all share a common belief in big govt in control of every aspect of one's life, Marxism.
Conservatives believe in an independence from govt.
Literally a division between people that can't function on their own, to those that prefer self-sustenance.
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Re: Orthodox Christianity
« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2018, 05:22:02 AM »
Agree. The very meaning of Conservative translates to conserving, one generally in support of traditional values, not quick to change, but not adverse to slow change either, just prefers that change be taken slowly so as to adapt and absorb and not disrupt societal norms.

Progressive, liberals, etc, all share a common belief in big govt in control of every aspect of one's life, Marxism.
Conservatives believe in an independence from govt.
Literally a division between people that can't function on their own, to those that prefer self-sustenance.

I was thinking before of Conservatism and Progressivism regarding Christianity, and you have made me a good intro. For example, if we compare the Eastern Orthodox Church with the Roman Catholic Church.

Conservative very accurately relates to the Eastern Orthodox Churches. They support traditional values. They are not quick to change. They are independent and self-governing, and have no supreme leader on Earth, but a college of fundamentally equal bishops, whose statements are very slow to implement, and need to be tested and confirmed in practical life, so that all believers can adapt and absorb them. Eastern Orthodox faith is more of a dialogue between the believers and the clergy, there are no directives from the clergy, but rather advices, which a believer is free to accept or decline, but also to take the consequences of his choice. But the believers can advice the clergy, too, the most modern example of that being the issue of ecumenism with the Vatican, when some of the clergy have become very close to the Pope, but the believers are protesting it, and advicing them to leave any ecumenical dialogue.

On the other hand, the Roman Catholic Church exactly resembles of Progressive. They have the Pope in Rome as their supreme leader who is in control of every aspect of the life of the believers. Roman Catholic bishops can't function without the Pope. The Pope is infallible when speaking ex cathedra on the subjects of faith and morals, so his statements are not to be tested and confirmed in practical life, but they are in essence "Marxist" directives which all believers must accept as the Church teachings. And so the Roman Catholic Church has even encountered some quick revolutionary changes at times.

Speaking of the various Protestant denominations, I really don't know much about them. I just wonder why the Protestant Reformation was needed at all, why those who opposed the Pope didn't come to the Eastern Orthodoxy. Because we criticise the Pope in the same way, I believe at least. The doctrine of Sola Scriptura itself is essentially wrong, because Jesus founded the Church, and he said that his disciples will need to eat his flesh and drink his blood in order to have eternal life, and when the Church was founded on the Pentecost, there were no Holy Scriptures of the New Testament whatsoever, there were just Jesus and Holy Spirit and Apostles and the Church. So, the Church comes first, and the Scriptures come second, with the central part of the worship of Jesus being the Holy Communion - eating his flesh and drinking his blood - rather than reading and understanding the words of the Bible. We should notice that when taking the Holy Communion, we don't eat just parts of Jesus' flesh and drink just drops of his blood, but each Holy Communion is whole and complete Body of Christ, the same way each diocese is whole and complete Body of Christ. Protestant Reformation certainly does look even more progressive and revolutionary than the Roman Catholic Church.
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