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Newton: WTF was God ?
« on: December 19, 2012, 10:12:25 AM »
Newton: WTF (That's WHERE) was God ?

Or, was he busy working in his mysterious ways ?



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Re: Newton: WTF was God ?
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2012, 10:35:18 AM »
Newton: WTF (That's WHERE) was God ?

Or, was he busy working in his mysterious ways ?
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WTF are you talking about?
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Re: Newton: WTF was God ?
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2012, 06:51:41 PM »
Solar:  WTF are you talking about ?

MY RESPONSE:

This is the F I am talking about: By definition God is Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent.

If that is the F what God is, then WTF (That's WHY) didn't he prevent the EVIL perpetrated against the innocent children ?

I ask again: was he too busy working in his mysterious ways ?


After all: God is OMNISCIENT therefore God KNEW before what happened that this EVIL would happen !

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Re: Newton: WTF was God ?
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2012, 07:05:01 PM »
ADDENDUM: God is supposed to be OMNISCIENT, OMNIPOTENT, OMNIPRESENT.

With regard to the Newton, Conn., massacre of innocents:

WTF (That's WHERE) was God ???

Since God is OMNISCIENT, God KNEW beforehand that this Spawn of the Devil would perpetrate this HORRENDOUS EVIL on the Children !!!

Since God is OMNIPOTENT, God had the POWER to stop[ the DEVIL from perpetrating this Horrendous Evil.

Since God is OMNIPRESENT, God being OMNISCIENT, and OMNIPOTENT, and OMNIPRESENT .......God would have been there to prevent this EVIL.

SO: WTF (that's WHERE) was God when this was happening ???


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Re: Newton: WTF was God ?
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2012, 08:10:07 PM »
ADDENDUM: God is supposed to be OMNISCIENT, OMNIPOTENT, OMNIPRESENT.

With regard to the Newton, Conn., massacre of innocents:

WTF (That's WHERE) was God ???

Since God is OMNISCIENT, God KNEW beforehand that this Spawn of the Devil would perpetrate this HORRENDOUS EVIL on the Children !!!

Since God is OMNIPOTENT, God had the POWER to stop[ the DEVIL from perpetrating this Horrendous Evil.

Since God is OMNIPRESENT, God being OMNISCIENT, and OMNIPOTENT, and OMNIPRESENT .......God would have been there to prevent this EVIL.

SO: WTF (that's WHERE) was God when this was happening ???
You're under the illusion God controls mans behavior, good or bad? That's just flat out ignorant, God gave us free will and reign over our domain.
If you're trying to make the case that God doesn't exist, you failed at that as well, just look around you.
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Re: Newton: WTF was God ?
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2012, 10:57:59 PM »
You're under the illusion God controls mans behavior, good or bad? That's just flat out ignorant, God gave us free will and reign over our domain.
If you're trying to make the case that God doesn't exist, you failed at that as well, just look around you.

God supposedly created all of us.

Supposedly God is Omniscient. When he created us God already KNEW the results of his creation before hand.

Even if God supposedly gave us FREE WILL.......he already KNEW how each of us would turn out and what fate we had....

So WTF did God, in creating these innocents (with free will) and the EVIL BUTTHOLE (with free will) also created by God......WHY DID GOD CREATE BOTH INNOCENTS AND THE PSYCHO (with free will) WHEN HE KNEW THE RESULTS BEFORE HAND ....EVEN IF THE PSYCHO HAD FREE WILL.....God KNEW what the Psycho would do ?!?

And, I'm not trying to prove God doesn't exist. I AM DESPERATELY TRYING TO FIND A PLAUSIBLE REASON TO BELIEVE IN HIM !!!

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Re: Newton: WTF was God ?
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2012, 04:01:28 AM »
This is about the stupidest thread I've ever seen. A great candidate for the pit.

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Re: Newton: WTF was God ?
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2012, 06:38:40 AM »
God supposedly created all of us.

Supposedly God is Omniscient. When he created us God already KNEW the results of his creation before hand.

Even if God supposedly gave us FREE WILL.......he already KNEW how each of us would turn out and what fate we had....

So WTF did God, in creating these innocents (with free will) and the EVIL BUTTHOLE (with free will) also created by God......WHY DID GOD CREATE BOTH INNOCENTS AND THE PSYCHO (with free will) WHEN HE KNEW THE RESULTS BEFORE HAND ....EVEN IF THE PSYCHO HAD FREE WILL.....God KNEW what the Psycho would do ?!?

And, I'm not trying to prove God doesn't exist. I AM DESPERATELY TRYING TO FIND A PLAUSIBLE REASON TO BELIEVE IN HIM !!!
I don't know your age, but these are questions a child asks and finally figures out on their own. And quit yelling, you're an adult, right?

We have free will, God gave each and every individual control over their own destiny, pain, hate, love sorrow, these are all needed for growth as a human, as an individual.

Say, all these pains, adversities were to be removed, no pain, no sorrow through loss, how as people would we develop, how would you recognize happiness?
God gave us life, he gave us the ability to feel all levels of the emotional spectrum, if he didn't give us sorrow, we would never develop empathy, etc.
God as a father, relinquished his parental duties to that of our parents, and like a good parent, does not interfere with our development into adults.

Love and hate are essential to our development, without one of these, we wouldn't have a ruler from which to measure all of our other emotions, achievements, failures.

God has no interest in dictating our path, if we fail, it's not God' fault, it's ours.
God gave us the keys to the car and trusted we would move forward safely, instead we remove him from our schools and discredit his name, and you wonder why he didn't intervene?
It's this very same reason libs put so much faith in Govt, they have tossed aside God and are looking for guidance elsewhere, sadly through Govt.

I speak to God everyday, it probably has everything to do with my success and happiness, I never turned my back on him.
Go to a Church and talk to someone, I think you need to understand Gods plan and how he includes you.
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Re: Newton: WTF was God ?
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2012, 07:04:09 AM »
I don't know your age, but these are questions a child asks and finally figures out on their own. And quit yelling, you're an adult, right?

We have free will, God gave each and every individual control over their own destiny, pain, hate, love sorrow, these are all needed for growth as a human, as an individual.

Say, all these pains, adversities were to be removed, no pain, no sorrow through loss, how as people would we develop, how would you recognize happiness?
God gave us life, he gave us the ability to feel all levels of the emotional spectrum, if he didn't give us sorrow, we would never develop empathy, etc.
God as a father, relinquished his parental duties to that of our parents, and like a good parent, does not interfere with our development into adults.

Love and hate are essential to our development, without one of these, we wouldn't have a ruler from which to measure all of our other emotions, achievements, failures.

God has no interest in dictating our path, if we fail, it's not God' fault, it's ours.
God gave us the keys to the car and trusted we would move forward safely, instead we remove him from our schools and discredit his name, and you wonder why he didn't intervene?
It's this very same reason libs put so much faith in Govt, they have tossed aside God and are looking for guidance elsewhere, sadly through Govt.

I speak to God everyday, it probably has everything to do with my success and happiness, I never turned my back on him.
Go to a Church and talk to someone, I think you need to understand Gods plan and how he includes you.


Lib's believes in big government for all the free things they get in life.

God is about beyond this life time as we know it.   In this lifetime you have the right to sink or swim.  You are in the sink or swim time of your life.  God has given you a life line, what you do with it is up to you.

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Re: Newton: WTF was God ?
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2012, 11:49:28 AM »
I don't know your age, but these are questions a child asks and finally figures out on their own. And quit yelling, you're an adult, right?

We have free will, God gave each and every individual control over their own destiny, pain, hate, love sorrow, these are all needed for growth as a human, as an individual.

Say, all these pains, adversities were to be removed, no pain, no sorrow through loss, how as people would we develop, how would you recognize happiness?
God gave us life, he gave us the ability to feel all levels of the emotional spectrum, if he didn't give us sorrow, we would never develop empathy, etc.
God as a father, relinquished his parental duties to that of our parents, and like a good parent, does not interfere with our development into adults.

Love and hate are essential to our development, without one of these, we wouldn't have a ruler from which to measure all of our other emotions, achievements, failures.

God has no interest in dictating our path, if we fail, it's not God' fault, it's ours.
God gave us the keys to the car and trusted we would move forward safely, instead we remove him from our schools and discredit his name, and you wonder why he didn't intervene?
It's this very same reason libs put so much faith in Govt, they have tossed aside God and are looking for guidance elsewhere, sadly through Govt.

I speak to God everyday, it probably has everything to do with my success and happiness, I never turned my back on him.
Go to a Church and talk to someone, I think you need to understand Gods plan and how he includes you.

All these regurgitated responses by the religious keep mouthing off the same tired BS conveniently bypassing the central issue which is that if God was indeed the THREE O's (Omniscient,Omnipotent, Omnipresent) then god woulda KNOWN BEFOREHAND how everything turns out.

And, one doesn't need pain , misery, agony to develop .....personally I learn more and develop more successfully when I'm healthy. Of course when faced with calamities,diseases, etc.....Mankind creates antidotes, etc.......But, one would think that a World where there wasn't any torture, agony, horrendous happenings would be preferable instead of what seems to be the ULTRA SADISTIC World that has been created with which we have to cope.

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Re: Newton: WTF was God ?
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2012, 12:47:12 PM »
All these regurgitated responses by the religious keep mouthing off the same tired BS conveniently bypassing the central issue which is that if God was indeed the THREE O's (Omniscient,Omnipotent, Omnipresent) then god woulda KNOWN BEFOREHAND how everything turns out.

And, one doesn't need pain , misery, agony to develop .....personally I learn more and develop more successfully when I'm healthy. Of course when faced with calamities,diseases, etc.....Mankind creates antidotes, etc.......But, one would think that a World where there wasn't any torture, agony, horrendous happenings would be preferable instead of what seems to be the ULTRA SADISTIC World that has been created with which we have to cope.
My, aren't you the optimist?
You completely missed the point. Imagine if you couldn't feel love or hate, how would you develop as a person?
God gave you the ability to experience these emotions, but if he were to intervene every time something bad were to occur, you would never know pain/hate, stifling your ability to develop compassion/love for your fellow man.

And for your information, I do not subscribe to any Religion, though I support anyone that wishes to engage in worship.
My personal belief is that God planted the seed that allowed us a place to experience life and all it entails, what you subscribe to is dogma in that God intervenes.
Myself, I believe God gives you what you need, not what you want for a successful life.
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Re: Newton: WTF was God ?
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2012, 02:49:43 PM »
So, because God did not respond in the way that you expect him to, He was not there?  I assure you, He was there, comforting the survivors, and helping the others in various ways.

You have these questions, because to you, death is an evil, scary thing.  To those who love the Lord, death is not scary.  Yes, the Lord would have known this was coming and would have laid it on believers hearts prior to that day to speek to them about salvation.  He would also be ultimately aware of how they would respond.  The choice to become a believer or not is completely our own.  However, don't expect to Lord to think that the end of this life is a bad thing, because I doubt he would see it that way. 

As to why He would create that person when he obviously did something evil, wait until you have children.  No matter what they do, or if they disappoint you, it is still better than never having them at all.  I lost one between my second and third living child, I will be so happy to finally hug that one when I die.

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Re: Newton: WTF was God ?
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2012, 04:11:11 PM »
So, because God did not respond in the way that you expect him to, He was not there?  I assure you, He was there, comforting the survivors, and helping the others in various ways.

You have these questions, because to you, death is an evil, scary thing.  To those who love the Lord, death is not scary.  Yes, the Lord would have known this was coming and would have laid it on believers hearts prior to that day to speek to them about salvation.  He would also be ultimately aware of how they would respond.  The choice to become a believer or not is completely our own.  However, don't expect to Lord to think that the end of this life is a bad thing, because I doubt he would see it that way. 

As to why He would create that person when he obviously did something evil, wait until you have children.  No matter what they do, or if they disappoint you, it is still better than never having them at all.  I lost one between my second and third living child, I will be so happy to finally hug that one when I die.
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Re: Newton: WTF was God ?
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2012, 05:21:08 PM »
My, aren't you the optimist?
You completely missed the point. Imagine if you couldn't feel love or hate, how would you develop as a person?
God gave you the ability to experience these emotions, but if he were to intervene every time something bad were to occur, you would never know pain/hate, stifling your ability to develop compassion/love for your fellow man.

And for your information, I do not subscribe to any Religion, though I support anyone that wishes to engage in worship.
My personal belief is that God planted the seed that allowed us a place to experience life and all it entails, what you subscribe to is dogma in that God intervenes.
Myself, I believe God gives you what you need, not what you want for a successful life.

You are the one that's missing the point.

It isYOU who created your God as the the Three Os thus being the ULTIMATE in all things .....that's YOUR "strawman" .....which YOU by your creation deem to be PERFECTION.

Unfortunately for you, by creating the "GOD" as being "perfection"......you then have to contradict your "PERFECTION"......because if EVERYTHING woulda been PERFECT then we, the HUMANITY, who created "GOD" would have a "PERFECT" LIFE .....which we don't......HENCE: the inherent paradox which is unresolvable no matter how much you babble about FREE WILL etc.

Conclusion: The "GOD" of the Organized Religions of the World is an unresolvable paradox.

No surprise that the GREATEST MINDS in the HISTORY of Mankind UNANIMOUSLY came to the same conclusion:It is IMPOSSIBLE to prove the existence or nonexistence of "GOD".

Call the Chairmen of any reputable University in the World (and that even includes some of the Religious ones) and they will ALL confirm my statement above.

I've said what there is to say on this subject.

There isn't anything more.......as far as I'm concerned.


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Re: Newton: WTF was God ?
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2012, 05:42:00 PM »
You are the one that's missing the point.

It isYOU who created your God as the the Three Os thus being the ULTIMATE in all things .....that's YOUR "strawman" .....which YOU by your creation deem to be PERFECTION.

Unfortunately for you, by creating the "GOD" as being "perfection"......you then have to contradict your "PERFECTION"......because if EVERYTHING woulda been PERFECT then we, the HUMANITY, who created "GOD" would have a "PERFECT" LIFE .....which we don't......HENCE: the inherent paradox which is unresolvable no matter how much you babble about FREE WILL etc.

Conclusion: The "GOD" of the Organized Religions of the World is an unresolvable paradox.

No surprise that the GREATEST MINDS in the HISTORY of Mankind UNANIMOUSLY came to the same conclusion:It is IMPOSSIBLE to prove the existence or nonexistence of "GOD".

Call the Chairmen of any reputable University in the World (and that even includes some of the Religious ones) and they will ALL confirm my statement above.

I've said what there is to say on this subject.

There isn't anything more.......as far as I'm concerned.

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I've said what there is to say on this subject.

There isn't anything more.......as far as I'm concerned.

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Go chase your damned tail someplace else.

 

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