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Title: Life After Death?
Post by: Turks on January 17, 2013, 11:23:42 AM
Which theory do you think might be right? 


Theory 1: Nothingness

When a person dies, all physical functions and mental functions cease to operate. No form of consciousness exists and no portion of the individual's physical body, mental processes or 'spirit' pass on to another stage of existence. There is literally nothing left of the individual; they cease to be.


Theory 2: Reincarnation

When a person dies, their physical body disintegrates, but a part of their being (e.g. Soul or Consciousness) does survive to experience another form of existence in a physical vehicle. This may be in the same realm or a different dimension altogether. The physical vehicle changes, but some form of mental capacity of the previous life is preserved.


Theory 3: Resurrection

When a person dies, their physical body deteriorates and their mental functioning ceases to exist for a period of time until a powerful entity (e.g. God) chooses to bring back their Consciousness to their body. Consciousness was suspended temporarily, not removed. This might be done for the purpose of judgement.


Theory 4: Spiritual World

When a person dies, their physical body disintegrates, but a part of their being (e.g. Energy) continues to survive in the spiritual realm. No physical vehicles exist and passed loved ones can be directly communicated with if they are at the same stage of spiritual progression.


Theory 5: The Show Is Over

When a person dies, they enter a different realm of existence where they come to the realisation that they planned their whole experience in the physical world and life was essentially a show that they created to entertain themselves. Their Consciousness survives and they are able to communicate with others that are at the same stage of progression.



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread918152/pg1 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread918152/pg1)
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: walkstall on January 17, 2013, 12:33:41 PM
Quote from: Turks on January 17, 2013, 11:23:42 AM
Which theory do you think might be right? 


Theory 1: Nothingness

When a person dies, all physical functions and mental functions cease to operate. No form of consciousness exists and no portion of the individual's physical body, mental processes or 'spirit' pass on to another stage of existence. There is literally nothing left of the individual; they cease to be.


Theory 2: Reincarnation

When a person dies, their physical body disintegrates, but a part of their being (e.g. Soul or Consciousness) does survive to experience another form of existence in a physical vehicle. This may be in the same realm or a different dimension altogether. The physical vehicle changes, but some form of mental capacity of the previous life is preserved.


Theory 3: Resurrection

When a person dies, their physical body deteriorates and their mental functioning ceases to exist for a period of time until a powerful entity (e.g. God) chooses to bring back their Consciousness to their body. Consciousness was suspended temporarily, not removed. This might be done for the purpose of judgement.


Theory 4: Spiritual World

When a person dies, their physical body disintegrates, but a part of their being (e.g. Energy) continues to survive in the spiritual realm. No physical vehicles exist and passed loved ones can be directly communicated with if they are at the same stage of spiritual progression.


Theory 5: The Show Is Over

When a person dies, they enter a different realm of existence where they come to the realisation that they planned their whole experience in the physical world and life was essentially a show that they created to entertain themselves. Their Consciousness survives and they are able to communicate with others that are at the same stage of progression.



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Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: Turks on January 17, 2013, 12:52:19 PM
Sorry I thought that I did it correctly.  I left out the first paragraph so it was partial and I included the link.  Got it!  :smile:
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: walkstall on January 17, 2013, 01:00:35 PM
Quote from: Turks on January 17, 2013, 12:52:19 PM
Sorry I thought that I did it correctly.  I left out the first paragraph so it was partial and I included the link.  Got it!  :smile:

Your ok, this board is not a for-profit website.  That why I posted the.
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•to copy, distribute, display, and perform the material

Under the following conditions:

So other would know it's not a copyright violations.
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: Turks on January 17, 2013, 02:01:05 PM
I see. My fault.  I thought you were telling me I might have done something wrong.  Now that I reread what you said, I see what you mean.  "My bad".  Thanks for the explanation.  Much appreciated.   :smile:
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: MFA on January 17, 2013, 03:46:27 PM
Theory Number 6:

When people die, they continue to exist as "personalities," but outside the universe (the present space-time continuum).  So from earth's POV, they await resurrection but from their POV their resurrection is instantaneous.
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: Yawn on January 18, 2013, 04:49:48 PM
TRUTH number 3.

Yeshua is the FIRSTBORN of many brethren.  ALL human beings "sleep" in the grave with zero consciousness.

At His return the saints are RESURRECTED to eternal life as BROTHERS of Christ and LITERAL sons of God and will rule the world from Jerusalem.

The vast majority of the dead will be resurrected to physical life at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ and the saints, and will THEN have the opportunity for salvation AFTER Satan has been imprisoned. That includes the many professing "christians" who love Satan's deceptions more than the God of Israel.
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: MFA on January 18, 2013, 06:18:34 PM
Quote from: Yawn on January 18, 2013, 04:49:48 PM
TRUTH number 3.

Yeshua is the FIRSTBORN of many brethren.  ALL human beings "sleep" in the grave with zero consciousness.


There is no practical difference between this and my theory...
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: Yawn on January 18, 2013, 06:30:55 PM
Darn! I was expecting a debate! You're no fun tonight. I'll have to poke at "rat" for a response.
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: Solar on January 19, 2013, 07:20:20 AM
My belief is this. This is not really life, life is what we were doing before God offered us the experience of raw emotion.
When were done here, we will return to our true life and await the next experience God has to offer.
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: kramarat on January 19, 2013, 07:31:15 AM
Quote from: Yawn on January 18, 2013, 06:30:55 PM
Darn! I was expecting a debate! You're no fun tonight. I'll have to poke at "rat" for a response.

There is no "one size fits all" answer.
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: kramarat on January 19, 2013, 08:09:49 AM
Watch on full screen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PN5JJDh78I&feature=player_embedded#! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PN5JJDh78I&feature=player_embedded#!)
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: kramarat on January 19, 2013, 03:57:09 PM
Quote from: Yawn on January 18, 2013, 06:30:55 PM
Darn! I was expecting a debate! You're no fun tonight. I'll have to poke at "rat" for a response.

Lost your wind? Poke the "rat"................lets see where it goes.
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: MFA on January 19, 2013, 05:06:21 PM
Quote from: Yawn on January 18, 2013, 06:30:55 PM
Darn! I was expecting a debate! You're no fun tonight. I'll have to poke at "rat" for a response.

:biggrin: Sorry!
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: simpsonofpg on March 07, 2013, 01:52:47 PM
I believe that when I die I will go to live with God and don't care what form I have.  God invites all of us to his house but not all of us chose to follow the path.  I believe that Heaven is living with God and hell is living without God.
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: Solar on March 07, 2013, 02:01:53 PM
Quote from: simpsonofpg on March 07, 2013, 01:52:47 PM
I believe that when I die I will go to live with God and don't care what form I have.  God invites all of us to his house but not all of us chose to follow the path.  I believe that Heaven is living with God and hell is living without God.
Interesting. I like that. :cool:
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: Yawn on March 07, 2013, 04:43:37 PM
Quote from: simpsonofpg on March 07, 2013, 01:52:47 PM
I believe that when I die I will go to live with God and don't care what form I have.  God invites all of us to his house but not all of us chose to follow the path.  I believe that Heaven is living with God and hell is living without God.

Hate to be the wet blanket, but HE said, "NO MAN has ascended into heaven except the Son of Man who came down from heaven."--John 3:13

The dead sleep in the grave until their appointed time--The saints at His return, and the rest of the dead after the 1,000 year reign of Christ in Jerusalem along with the saints. (Rev 20:5)
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: Solar on March 07, 2013, 05:24:56 PM
Quote from: Yawn on March 07, 2013, 04:43:37 PM
Hate to be the wet blanket, but HE said, "NO MAN has ascended into heaven except the Son of Man who came down from heaven."--John 3:13

The dead sleep in the grave until their appointed time--The saints at His return, and the rest of the dead after the 1,000 year reign of Christ in Jerusalem along with the saints. (Rev 20:5)
Yawn, he is entitled his own Belief.
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: TNHarley on April 04, 2013, 08:50:56 AM
I think when you die, you just die
I do not believe in souls or the after-life
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: Solar on April 05, 2013, 06:45:18 AM
Quote from: TNHarley on April 04, 2013, 08:50:56 AM
I think when you die, you just die
I do not believe in souls or the after-life
That's just sad in so many ways.
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: kramarat on April 05, 2013, 07:58:01 AM
Quote from: Solar on April 05, 2013, 06:45:18 AM
That's just sad in so many ways.

My Father believed the same. After he died, I often wondered what happened to him.
It's possible that what happens to a person in death, reflects what they believe in life.

I don't know if it means anything, but after my Dad died, I saw him in several dreams. In each dream, he didn't know that he was dead, and was attempting to work on things that he normally would have been doing. Also, each time I saw him, he was more confused and disoriented. In the final dream, he didn't know who I was, and was just drifting aimlessly...almost seemed like it was like a puff of smoke that never disappears, the particles just dissapate to the point of becoming meaningless. It may be the same with the soul.

On a happier note, even if it seems silly, a non-believer can began asking God to come into his life, and over time, they will begin to notice that things are different; in a better way. :wink:
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: Solar on April 05, 2013, 08:18:16 AM
Quote from: kramarat on April 05, 2013, 07:58:01 AM
My Father believed the same. After he died, I often wondered what happened to him.
It's possible that what happens to a person in death, reflects what they believe in life.

I don't know if it means anything, but after my Dad died, I saw him in several dreams. In each dream, he didn't know that he was dead, and was attempting to work on things that he normally would have been doing. Also, each time I saw him, he was more confused and disoriented.
In the final dream, he didn't know who I was, and was just drifting aimlessly...almost seemed like it was like a puff of smoke that never disappears, the particles just dissapate to the point of becoming meaningless. It may be the same with the soul.

On a happier note, even if it seems silly, a non-believer can began asking God to come into his life, and over time, they will begin to notice that things are different; in a better way. :wink:
Possibly quite telling.

I can honestly say I know for a fact that life goes on after death, I've experienced it.
Twice I've seen my lifeless body laying on the ground, and as an disinterested observer with the emotional attachment to that of of a smashed bug on the ground, I didn't want to return, the other side is sooo much more pleasant.
And in one of these incidents, I was forced to hang around and wait, it was not my time, but I had no desire to return to my body, but someone very familiar and trusted, kept me company and kept me from leaving permanently.

The reason I know this to be a real incident, is, that all the things I saw were from the perspective of a few feet above rooftop level.
After I was released from the hospital, I returned to the scene to thank the guy who pulled me from the inferno.
I saw him as I pulled up, we talked a bit and I told him what I saw. The thing is, you cannot see the entry to his home because it has an 6' privacy gated fence, but I described in detail what was beyond the fence and he just stood in awe, because his father, a Master Japanese gardener made the area a place of worship that only family was allowed to see.

Yes, there is life beyond, and I look forward to it, but not quite yet.
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: TNHarley on April 05, 2013, 11:24:35 AM
Quote from: Solar on April 05, 2013, 06:45:18 AM
That's just sad in so many ways.
What makes that sad?
Because I do not need fiction or anyone elses help to find peace within myself?
I do not need to believe in Santa to be happy
Sorry, I dont have that weakness :)
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: Solar on April 05, 2013, 11:43:43 AM
Quote from: TNHarley on April 05, 2013, 11:24:35 AM
What makes that sad?
Because I do not need fiction or anyone elses help to find peace within myself?
I do not need to believe in Santa to be happy
Sorry, I dont have that weakness :)
It's sad that you've stagnated, you've lost interest in challenging yourself as to what life is, what it has in store for you, what is expected of you as an individual.

Did you never question why you are here, did you just assume your existence is a fluke, that reproduction and furthering the human race is a waste of time?

I only pose these questions as food for thought, a challenge to seek answers to the meaning of life.
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: TNHarley on April 05, 2013, 11:47:26 AM
Quote from: Solar on April 05, 2013, 11:43:43 AM
It's sad that you've stagnated, you've lost interest in challenging yourself as to what life is, what it has in store for you, what is expected of you as an individual.

Did you never question why you are here, did you just assume your existence is a fluke, that reproduction and furthering the human race is a waste of time?

I only pose these questions as food for thought, a challenge to seek answers to the meaning of life.
WOW
You get all that because I do not believe in an after-life? LOL
Existence a fluke?
Reproducing a waste?
WTF
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: Solar on April 05, 2013, 11:49:26 AM
Quote from: TNHarley on April 05, 2013, 11:47:26 AM
WOW
You get all that because I do not believe in an after-life? LOL
Existence a fluke?
Reproducing a waste?
WTF
Got nothing? OK...
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: anti-American on April 05, 2013, 11:51:58 AM
Quote from: Solar on April 05, 2013, 11:43:43 AM
It's sad that you've stagnated, you've lost interest in challenging yourself as to what life is, what it has in store for you, what is expected of you as an individual.

Although I don't want to speak for another user, it seems obvious to me that the people who "lost interest in challenging [themselves] as to what life is..." are religious people who have accepted as undeniably true a mythological explanation to life's mysteries rather than appreciating such mysteries.

Quote from: Solar on April 05, 2013, 11:43:43 AMDid you never question why you are here, did you just assume your existence is a fluke, that reproduction and furthering the human race is a waste of time?

Do Christians just assume "God" is a fluke? and living happily ever after in heaven simply for believing mythology "is a waste of time"? 
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: TNHarley on April 05, 2013, 11:53:43 AM
Quote from: Solar on April 05, 2013, 11:49:26 AM
Got nothing? OK...
LOL
what a joke of a response
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: TNHarley on April 05, 2013, 11:56:53 AM
Quote from: American on April 05, 2013, 11:51:58 AM
Although I don't want to speak for another user, it seems obvious to me that the people who "lost interest in challenging [themselves] as to what life is..." are religious people who have accepted as undeniably true a mythological explanation to life's mysteries rather than appreciating such mysteries.

Do Christians just assume "God" is a fluke? and living happily ever after in heaven simply for believing mythology "is a waste of time"?
I agree with that
The religous try to disregard other ideas or even flat out facts
Like the oppression of science..
When did Galileo get pardoned for being RIGHT? LOL
God forbid your ideology goes against a bunch intoxicated/mentally challenged shepherds..
But dont get me started on religous oppression and clues to it being bullcrap..
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: Solar on April 05, 2013, 01:20:55 PM
Quote from: American on April 05, 2013, 11:51:58 AM
Although I don't want to speak for another user, it seems obvious to me that the people who "lost interest in challenging [themselves] as to what life is..." are religious people who have accepted as undeniably true a mythological explanation to life's mysteries rather than appreciating such mysteries.

Do Christians just assume "God" is a fluke? and living happily ever after in heaven simply for believing mythology "is a waste of time"?
I wouldn't know, I'm not a Religious person, you'd have to ask them why they have faith, but that's a whole other ball of wax.
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: Solar on April 05, 2013, 01:22:22 PM
Quote from: TNHarley on April 05, 2013, 11:53:43 AM
LOL
what a joke of a response
As opposed to this waste of time?

QuoteWOW
You get all that because I do not believe in an after-life? LOL
Existence a fluke?
Reproducing a waste?
WTF
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: TNHarley on April 05, 2013, 02:54:37 PM
Quote from: Solar on April 05, 2013, 01:22:22 PM
As opposed to this waste of time?
Yep
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: redlom xof on April 08, 2013, 11:01:16 PM
Hate to be boring but I believe this option best fits my thinking

Theory 1: Nothingness

When a person dies, all physical functions and mental functions cease to operate. No form of consciousness exists and no portion of the individual's physical body, mental processes or 'spirit' pass on to another stage of existence. There is literally nothing left of the individual; they cease to be.

Food for worms as it is more commonly referred to.

It would be nice if some of the other ones did happen, unfortunately I just don't think they will.

Interesting topic.
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: Yawn on April 09, 2013, 05:28:20 AM
In the end, we all learn the truth -- or we'll never know -- depending on your belief. I believe in "nothingness" (sleeping in the grave) until awakened at His Return.  We shall see.
Title: Re: Life After Death?
Post by: Solar on April 09, 2013, 06:35:35 AM
Quote from: redlom xof on April 08, 2013, 11:01:16 PM
Hate to be boring but I believe this option best fits my thinking

Theory 1: Nothingness

When a person dies, all physical functions and mental functions cease to operate. No form of consciousness exists and no portion of the individual's physical body, mental processes or 'spirit' pass on to another stage of existence. There is literally nothing left of the individual; they cease to be.

Food for worms as it is more commonly referred to.

It would be nice if some of the other ones did happen, unfortunately I just don't think they will.

Interesting topic.
That raises too many questions, like, what's the point of living, why struggle for existence, why work so hard to to wake the next day and do it all over again?

Look at life from another angle, one of servant/slave, you've always heard man is at the top of the food chain, but is he really?
He is born into the world completely helpless and dependent upon those around him, this makes those that brought his existence slaves to his beingness, then he needs to be fed, since we are no longer hunter gatherers, we depend upon farms, we grow vegetables, raise meat, make sure these crops are strong, healthy and fertile, seeing that their existence continues.
If we leave this planet, wee will need to take these with us in order to live and promote their universe as well.

So you see, who is really at the top of the food chain, the ones we rely on for our very existence, or the plants that keeps us as slaves to promote their longevity?

Point is, life is hard, it's very design appears as more punishment than that of gift, our only reward is a feeling of accomplishment, breaking down the walls that stifle us, clearing the hurdles that attempt to slow us, it's these accomplishments that make us who we are, but regardless, what makes us who we are, it's the obstacles that force us to continue on.

Now ask yourself this, if someone ask you if you had a choice of spirit and total freedom, or slave to plants and animals, which would you choose?

Now ask yourself, why are you here and did you have a choice in the matter?