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Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« on: September 03, 2015, 10:51:12 AM »
They said  Christians wouldn't be persecuted by the State for following their conscience. Anthony Kennedy promised it wouldn't happen. Some here even said it'd never happen.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/09/03/rowan-county-ky-court-clerk-marriage-licenses-gays/71635794/

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Re: Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2015, 10:57:04 AM »
I thought they would fine her, but not put her in jail. 
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Re: Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2015, 11:21:44 AM »
I thought they would fine her, but not put her in jail.

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U.S. District Court Judge David Bunning placed Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis in the custody of U.S. marshals until she complies, saying fines were not enough to force her to comply with his previous order to provide the paperwork to all couples and allowing her to defy the order would create a "ripple effect."

I think the judge thinks this will nip it in the bud.   This my come back and bite him in the ass.
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Re: Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2015, 12:59:45 PM »
The judge was absolutely right to jail her. Why? Because she broke the law, and then tried to hide behind her religion to do so.

Religious freedom, has never been an excuse to break the law. This is why for example if someone follows satanism, they can't go around making human sacrifices to the devil.

Doing so would break the law.

As for persecuting her, bull.

It's not persecution, when you bring jail upon yourself.

And that's what this clerk did. She brought it on herself. She chose to disobey the law.

The State didn't go looking for her, to force her to do something. She voluntarily ran for and was elected to that position. And she voluntarily refused to follow the law.

Nowhere, in the very scriptures she claims she's operating by. Does the God she claims to love and follow so much.

Ever tell the Christian it's ok to break the law's of the land they reside in.

Nor does he ever say that cherry picking, which of his laws you will abide by and agree with, and those you don't, is ok either.

According to the news reports, she has been divorced and remarried four times, and had two children out of wedlock entirely.

Hmm lets see whats the Bible say about that? Ohh that's right, that she's a whore, her kids are bastards, and she along with the kids born out of wedlock should be stoned to death publicly.

Would it be ok, for some church to throw her off a cliff down onto the rocks, and then throw boulders on her till she's dead?

No. It wouldn't. Why? Because in this nation, under the law of the land, that would be murder. It would be a capital punishment for something our law doesn't say is a violation of the law, by those not empowered within the law, to execute someone.

Lastly, let me say this. Everytime, someone like this woman shows up, claiming Christianity the way this woman has done. In order to justify the scripturally unjustifiable.

They make the entire church look like the very things Christ said he hates.

They make ALL believers appear to be hypocrites. Cherry picking those scriptures that suit them, to justify their misbehavior.

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Re: Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2015, 01:06:55 PM »
The judge was absolutely right to jail her. Why? Because she broke the law, and then tried to hide behind her religion to do so.

Religious freedom, has never been an excuse to break the law. This is why for example if someone follows satanism, they can't go around making human sacrifices to the devil.

Doing so would break the law.

As for persecuting her, bull.

It's not persecution, when you bring jail upon yourself.

And that's what this clerk did. She brought it on herself. She chose to disobey the law.

The State didn't go looking for her, to force her to do something. She voluntarily ran for and was elected to that position. And she voluntarily refused to follow the law.

Nowhere, in the very scriptures she claims she's operating by. Does the God she claims to love and follow so much.

Ever tell the Christian it's ok to break the law's of the land they reside in.

Nor does he ever say that cherry picking, which of his laws you will abide by and agree with, and those you don't, is ok either.

According to the news reports, she has been divorced and remarried four times, and had two children out of wedlock entirely.

Hmm lets see whats the Bible say about that? Ohh that's right, that she's a whore, her kids are bastards, and she along with the kids born out of wedlock should be stoned to death publicly.

Would it be ok, for some church to throw her off a cliff down onto the rocks, and then throw boulders on her till she's dead?

No. It wouldn't. Why? Because in this nation, under the law of the land, that would be murder. It would be a capital punishment for something our law doesn't say is a violation of the law, by those not empowered within the law, to execute someone.

Lastly, let me say this. Everytime, someone like this woman shows up, claiming Christianity the way this woman has done. In order to justify the scripturally unjustifiable.

They make the entire church look like the very things Christ said he hates.

They make ALL believers appear to be hypocrites. Cherry picking those scriptures that suit them, to justify their misbehavior.
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First Amendment - Religion and Expression. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

What SCOTUS did was to usurp Congress charge of rewriting law, therefore the SCOTUS ruling was unconstitutional and will be challenged at a later date, possibly by Congress.
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Re: Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2015, 01:12:16 PM »
You're a fool! SCOTUS did not define the First, it rewrote the law and trampled the First.

First Amendment - Religion and Expression. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

What SCOTUS did was to usurp Congress charge of rewriting law, therefore the SCOTUS ruling was unconstitutional and will be challenged at a later date, possibly by Congress.

You are absolutely right, solar!!!!

It was the Court that trespassed into the religious domain.  Marriage is a religious rite and the government has no right to define it.  Their only right is to create an alternative to it.  That would be a civil union.

This law will not stand for long!

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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2015, 01:58:25 PM »
You are absolutely right, solar!!!!

It was the Court that trespassed into the religious domain.  Marriage is a religious rite and the government has no right to define it.  Their only right is to create an alternative to it.  That would be a civil union.

This law will not stand for long!
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Re: Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2015, 03:39:05 PM »
Also, this woman's job description changed. It would be a little different IF she went into the job knowing shed be issuing "marriage" licenses to Adam & Steve, but she's been there for 20 years. Who knew the country would sink this low?  Well, I did.

daidalos doesn't seem to get that the Constitution doesn't grant rights to the individual. It exist to place limits on an oppressive Government. The conscience of the individual was sacred to the Founders, not the "rights" of government.

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Re: Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2015, 03:57:03 PM »
Also, this woman's job description changed. It would be a little different IF she went into the job knowing shed be issuing "marriage" licenses to Adam & Steve, but she's been there for 20 years. Who knew the country would sink this low?  Well, I did.

Exactly.  The job came before the law.  Same with the bakers, florists and photographers who have found themselves on the losing end of gay marriage laws. 
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Re: Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2015, 04:13:52 PM »
You're a fool! SCOTUS did not define the First, it rewrote the law and trampled the First.

First Amendment - Religion and Expression. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

What SCOTUS did was to usurp Congress charge of rewriting law, therefore the SCOTUS ruling was unconstitutional and will be challenged at a later date, possibly by Congress.

THAT - I agree with completely.  Religion, freedom of speech/the press, peaceably assemble, etc., go hand in hand - lose one, the others go next.  They had freedom of Religion in Russia (only certain churches were allowed).  Hitler had freedom of the press (he controlled them all).  SCOTUS opened the door to violating the 1st amendment, I'm with this lady, if she finally decided to do something RIGHT in her life and pay a price for it, more grace to her!  The GAYS are deliberately targeting her, I could hear the roudy assembly over the radio - and furthermore, she has been receiving death threats and threats of perverse acts upon herself & family.  If she's decided to fear God rather than Man, she's got more guts than the SCOTUS that gave us Obama Care and Gay marriage.

Another demonstration why marriage, abortion, land use, taxation, etc., authority belongs with the STATES, not a handful of unelected bureaucrats holed up in one tiny little part of the country.


The judge was absolutely right to jail her. Why? Because she broke the law, and then tried to hide behind her religion to do so.

Religious freedom, has never been an excuse to break the law. This is why for example if someone follows satanism, they can't go around making human sacrifices to the devil.

Doing so would break the law.
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Nowhere, in the very scriptures she claims she's operating by. Does the God she claims to love and follow so much.

Ever tell the Christian it's ok to break the law's of the land they reside in.

Nor does he ever say that cherry picking, which of his laws you will abide by and agree with, and those you don't, is ok either.
....

They make the entire church look like the very things Christ said he hates.

They make ALL believers appear to be hypocrites. Cherry picking those scriptures that suit them, to justify their misbehavior.

If what you just said were actually true, we wouldn't have the law of Moses, ten commandments and the nation of Israel would still be stuck in Egypt.  The very life of Moses was preserved by breaking the law of Egypt.

This woman doesn't need condemnation, not when she's demonstrating her faith in following the Lord's leading - she needs God's grace and our prayerful support.   What if SHE becomes the catalyst that reverses the course this country is on (ie., Moses), would you or I want to be on the wrong side? :blushing: :blushing: :blushing:  I was a wicked man for many, many years, until Jesus stepped into my life and changed me.   Who's to say where this woman is in her life with God?  I applaud her!   The rest of the world will always call believers lawless, hypocrites, stupid, flat-earthers, etc., we're called to follow the Lord, not inspect each other's sheep/church for defects.
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Re: Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2015, 05:04:50 PM »
I don;t care what Graham or the SCOTUS says or what the Constittution says and I don;t care what the law says....putting this woman in JAIL over such a thing IS JUST PLAIN WRONG!!!!!!

Whoever decided to do so should themselves be stripped of all authority and removed from office and I hope she sues and wins.

There is such a thing as the letter of the law and the spirit of the law, I was always taught that if you have power you must exercise GOOD JUDGEMENT....

Now somebody convince me where the 'good judgement' is here in this case.

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Re: Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2015, 05:33:06 PM »
You're a fool! SCOTUS did not define the First, it rewrote the law and trampled the First.

First Amendment - Religion and Expression. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

What SCOTUS did was to usurp Congress charge of rewriting law, therefore the SCOTUS ruling was unconstitutional and will be challenged at a later date, possibly by Congress.
Which is fine and is the legal method of doing so. Not simply disobeying what is currently like it or not, the law of the Federal U.S. government.
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Re: Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2015, 05:43:18 PM »
Cruz on court ruling

"Where is the call for President Obama to resign for ignoring and dLois Lerner goes efying our immigration laws, our welfare reform laws, and even his own Obamacare?

....when the President resigns, then we can talk about Kim Davis"

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"Lois Lerner goes on paid administrative leave from the IRS, but KY clerk KimDavis goes to jail?
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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2015, 05:43:46 PM »
Which is fine and is the legal method of doing so. Not simply disobeying what is currently like it or not, the law of the Federal U.S. government.


Nonsense, the Federal Govt and its puppets ignores the laws on immigration and half a dozen other things. Yet since it is politically correct to support gays they turn around and slam some peon clerk.

That is total Bullshit.

If we put every "govt offiical" that ignored the law in Jail we wouldn't have enough room.
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