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Re: Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2015, 10:29:45 AM »
Just another thought here but suppose this clerk was not a Christian but of the Islamic faith with the same aversions to homosexuality....anybody think the courts would dare jail a Muslim for their religious beliefs?

They're afraid of Muslims, so no, they wouldn't be jailed.  It wouldn't have even gone to court. 

The judge told the clerk that she took an oath to uphold the law.  If that is the criteria for jail time, then Obama needs to be in jail too. 

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Re: Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2015, 10:47:37 AM »
Just another thought here but suppose this clerk was not a Christian but of the Islamic faith with the same aversions to homosexuality....anybody think the courts would dare jail a Muslim for their religious beliefs?
Again the premise is a false one. She was not jailed because she believes in Christ or the Bible.

She was jailed because she chose to ignore a court order, and thus break the law.

The fact she's made the false claim, that it is her religious belief that tells her to do so.

Is irrelevant, as it's been shown time and time and time again.

There is zero Biblical foundation for outright disobedience to the legal/civil rules of our society.

Christ wasn't joking when he said, "Render to Cesar, what is Cesar's", that wasn't just some clever inside joke between him and the disciples.

And yes, if a Muslim did this, if a Muslim simply refused to obey the law, I would hope they'd jail them too.
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Re: Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2015, 10:56:08 AM »
Again the premise is a false one. She was not jailed because she believes in Christ or the Bible.

She was jailed because she chose to ignore a court order, and thus break the law.

The fact she's made the false claim, that it is her religious belief that tells her to do so.

Is irrelevant, as it's been shown time and time and time again.

There is zero Biblical foundation for outright disobedience to the legal/civil rules of our society.

Christ wasn't joking when he said, "Render to Cesar, what is Cesar's", that wasn't just some clever inside joke between him and the disciples.

And yes, if a Muslim did this, if a Muslim simply refused to obey the law, I would hope they'd jail them too.
Show me where the Govt is in the right.
You do realize, only Congress can write laws, right?
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Come on Daidalos, you can do it, use that critical thinking, and give us a reasonable answering explaining how the govt had the right to do what they did.

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Re: Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2015, 01:06:18 PM »
Is this subject becoming a distraction?
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Re: Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2015, 04:54:26 PM »
Is this subject becoming a distraction?

Yes.

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Re: Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« Reply #35 on: September 04, 2015, 05:07:18 PM »
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if it's not newsworthy, it's from the LSM and belongs here


Is BASIC Constitutional freedom, being undermined by the Left, "NEWSWORTHY"?  Of course it is. Of course, MY opinion matters not at all as far as the operation of this board, but it certainly IS " NEWSWORTHY."

If YOU stood your ground for your basic beliefs and found yourself in jail, I believe you'd think your ordeal was "NEWSWORTHY."

My opinion? If the topic doesn't interest you, don't read it and don't participate in the threads that don't interest you.

Asking that question, to derail the topic IS a distraction.
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Re: Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« Reply #36 on: September 04, 2015, 05:14:27 PM »

if it's not newsworthy, it's from the LSM and belongs here
Who are you quoting?
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Re: Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2015, 05:22:37 PM »
This woman had said all along that she would file the paperwork, and every other aspect of her job, but she COULD NOT sign the document! Her signature, to herself, and the homos who TARGETED HER, agree that her signature, the signature of a Christian, means the document has her blessing.

BUT THE "GODS" OF GOVERNMENT INSIST SHE DO THAT.  The radical gay mafia insist that the document have HER blessing (with her signature). I think daidalos was one who insisted that Christians will not suffer persecution over this issue. In fact, he insists, even now, that this woman isn't being persecuted for her fundamental beliefs.

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“To issue a marriage license which conflicts with God’s definition of marriage, with my name affixed to the certificate, would violate my conscience,” she said. She added: “I have no animosity toward anyone and harbor no ill will. To me this has never been a gay or lesbian issue. It is about marriage and God’s word.”


http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/09/02/us/same-sex-marriage-kentucky-kim-davis.html?_r=0&referrer=


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Re: Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2015, 05:24:10 PM »
Who are you quoting?

The DEFINITION of what belongs in the "distraction forum"

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Re: Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« Reply #39 on: September 04, 2015, 05:30:14 PM »
Again the premise is a false one. She was not jailed because she believes in Christ or the Bible.

She was jailed because she chose to ignore a court order, and thus break the law.

The fact she's made the false claim, that it is her religious belief that tells her to do so.

Is irrelevant, as it's been shown time and time and time again.

There is zero Biblical foundation for outright disobedience to the legal/civil rules of our society.

Christ wasn't joking when he said, "Render to Cesar, what is Cesar's", that wasn't just some clever inside joke between him and the disciples.

And yes, if a Muslim did this, if a Muslim simply refused to obey the law, I would hope they'd jail them too.
And it makes not one difference to tyrant JERKOFFS that the law itself is in direct violation of our constitution?  This is the society you WANT, when the govenrment can just jail people, no due process, nothing but "we told you to do something and you didn;t so go to jail.

You are defending the DICTIONARY DEFINITION of tyranny!

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Re: Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« Reply #40 on: September 04, 2015, 05:48:55 PM »
Again the premise is a false one. She was not jailed because she believes in Christ or the Bible.

She was jailed because she chose to ignore a court order, and thus break the law.

The fact she's made the false claim, that it is her religious belief that tells her to do so.

Is irrelevant, as it's been shown time and time and time again.

There is zero Biblical foundation for outright disobedience to the legal/civil rules of our society.

Christ wasn't joking when he said, "Render to Cesar, what is Cesar's", that wasn't just some clever inside joke between him and the disciples.

And yes, if a Muslim did this, if a Muslim simply refused to obey the law, I would hope they'd jail them too.

Oh Come on, you really think these jellyfish would jail a Muslim for a religious practice?

The gays fear the muslims and so does every one else in our society. They can get away with this because the woman is a Christian.....she is also a Democrat which I dfind Ironic, but anyhow it also goes hand in hand with what I've been saying for years. The Gays want special rightsw and privildges ala a minority
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Re: Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« Reply #41 on: September 04, 2015, 06:04:36 PM »
The DEFINITION of what belongs in the "distraction forum"
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Ah, you quoted me.

As long as the focus remains the subject of the First Amendment, then it's newsworthy, but once the focus is lost, it gets moved.
In other words, it's about our Bill of Rights and how the Govt is trampling said Rights.
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Re: Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« Reply #42 on: September 04, 2015, 06:41:20 PM »
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Ah, you quoted me.

As long as the focus remains the subject of the First Amendment, then it's newsworthy, but once the focus is lost, it gets moved.
In other words, it's about our Bill of Rights and how the Govt is trampling said Rights.

Thanks. That was my opinion. But then, everybody's got one.

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Re: Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« Reply #43 on: September 05, 2015, 02:45:25 PM »
Which is fine and is the legal method of doing so. Not simply disobeying what is currently like it or not, the law of the Federal U.S. government.
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Re: Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses
« Reply #44 on: September 05, 2015, 02:56:45 PM »
Again the premise is a false one. She was not jailed because she believes in Christ or the Bible.

She was jailed because she chose to ignore a court order, and thus break the law.

The fact she's made the false claim, that it is her religious belief that tells her to do so.

Is irrelevant, as it's been shown time and time and time again.

There is zero Biblical foundation for outright disobedience to the legal/civil rules of our society.

Christ wasn't joking when he said, "Render to Cesar, what is Cesar's", that wasn't just some clever inside joke between him and the disciples.

And yes, if a Muslim did this, if a Muslim simply refused to obey the law, I would hope they'd jail them too.

I have no doubt. If a Muslim did this, he'd have MY full support, IN THIS.

As far as your misunderstanding of render unto Caesar, the KEY is WHAT IS CAESAR'S.

The State is treading where it has NO authority.
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