Just a Theory from a Christian point of view.

[supsalemgr]

I am new to the board and am not sure how this will be received. I've come to understand that some conservatives aren't really Christians. A fact that always confounded me as I grew up in a conservative Christian home. I always thought conservative was just political Christianity. Stupid thought I guess but we were all once young and idealistic. It seems many conservatives are really just anti communist,which is a good thing. Nothing wrong with hating the commies, I do it everyday myself ,but there has to be more to it.

Don't get me wrong. I am far from a religious person. I hate religion and don't even attend a church. I spent my youth as a hellion and feel totally blessed that I came out of my youth in as good of shape as I did. It could've been much worse. I do study the bible and fellowship with other Christians. Just not in a church kinda way.

So much for the preface. Here's my point. I've been struggling for the longest time with the behavior of the republican party. I ask myself, why don't they fight more? Why don't they resist more? Why do they not represent those who elected them? Why do they seem paralyzed? It's as if they can't do anything. It's as if they are under a spell.

I believe we are living in the last days as predicted in the Bible. I realize that every generation has said such things but eventually one of them will be right and I think we are that generation. I have come to believe that the reason the republican party is so incompetent is because God does not want use putting our faith in them. Our faith belongs in God. Republicans can not save us. God has made them impotent.

Why else would they act as they do? Would you have me believe that they are all secretly working with democrats? That they are all closet leftist and it's a great conspiracy? It just doesn't make sense. As much as I don't like McConnell and the like I really don't believe they are closet leftists. I believe their is something bigger at work.

Welcome. I am much like you in my beliefs. While conservatism and Christianity are two different animals their core values of the two are very similar. However, they cannot be tied as one and the same. The GOP is not so much concerned with core conservative values as they are in staying in power. They will throw their conservative values overboard in a heart beat to retain their position. Therefore, I think it best to consider the two totally different, but they do sometime align.

[Darth Fife]

Callin g oneself a "Tea Bagger" is like a Lefty calling His/Herself a "Pinko" ( Very unusual)

BINGO!

No self respecting Conservative would ever refer to him/herself as a "Tea Bagger".

In fact, I've tried to have the term banned from the forums as well as anyone who uses it!

I think we have  found us a troll!


Darth

[Rasputttin]

BINGO!

No self respecting Conservative would ever refer to him/herself as a "Tea Bagger".

In fact, I've tried to have the term banned from the forums as well as anyone who uses it!

I think we have  found us a troll!


Darth

Oh come on man. Lighten up. I just used the term because that's what they say. I was making light of their definition of us. I hate the way the left tries to control the language and define the world for the rest of us as much as anyone. I'm just not afraid of their words or terminology. Acting offended at everything is the leftist way.

[Rasputttin]

This is an extremely interesting discussion.  In the end, God is in control.

I also have wracked my brain trying to figure out why there hasn't been stronger opposition to such blatant destruction.  I still struggle with why people elected this twice.

I still think the majority are opposed to actions in Washington.  I believe credible candidates could win easily on that platform.  I don'tunderstand why it is rejected.

The closest I can get is the country club theory.  And perceived outsiders need not apply.

Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

DaisyJane

I don't disagree. As the title said, Just a theory from a Christian point of view. I was just thinking outside the box. I have analyzed the politics of this country frontwards and backwards and everything in between. I have laid in bed many nights running all kinds of possibilities through my head keeping me up to all hours. I have many conclusions that exist in the political context of a chess match but it never seems good enough or to make enough sense.

I just remember a verse in the bible about this age being a battle between God and satan. And another that says ,We do not battle against flesh and blood but against pricipalities in high places. So I just tried to think about our political realities from the perspective of those verses, and others. Just thinking outside the box. Sometimes people don't like that.

[Darth Fife]

Oh come on man. Lighten up. I just used the term because that's what they say. I was making light of their definition of us. I hate the way the left tries to control the language and define the world for the rest of us as much as anyone. I'm just not afraid of their words or terminology. Acting offended at everything is the leftist way.

If you knew what the term refers to (and I'm pretty sure you do) you wouldn't be defending it's use, here or anywhere. More than simply the way Democrats refer to Tea Party members, it is common slang for a vulgar, disgusting sexual act.

Your either terribly naive or a troll.

Darth

[Solar]

Just posing a question. Not for myself, but for others to ponder.
If God created man in his image, could one not assume free will is a apart of that image?
Meaning, one grows from their mistakes, and if God gave us free will, then he knew quite well we were destined for failure, but he would also know, that given free will, we'd have the drive to overcome failure.

What I'm saying is, God is not interfering, rather observing, only because we're not near the end of times, nowhere near it.
He gave us free will to form our own destiny, whether it be tyrannical in nature, or freedom, it's all growth in the human experience, which is why I believe God gave us the gift of life, free will, and the ability to create our own destiny.

What we do with that destiny? Well, that's anyone's best guess, but the fact that we're still here speaks volumes considering every generation previous to our own has laid claim to the end of times.

[walkstall]

Just posing a question. Not for myself, but for others to ponder.
If God created man in his image, could one not assume free will is a apart of that image?
Meaning, one grows from their mistakes, and if God gave us free will, then he knew quite well we were destined for failure, but he would also know, that given free will, we'd have the drive to overcome failure.

What I'm saying is, God is not interfering, rather observing, only because we're not near the end of times, nowhere near it.
He gave us free will to form our own destiny, whether it be tyrannical in nature, or freedom, it's all growth in the human experience, which is why I believe God gave us the gift of life, free will, and the ability to create our own destiny.

What we do with that destiny? Well, that's anyone's best guess, but the fact that we're still here speaks volumes considering every generation previous to our own has laid claim to the end of times.

How ever you look at it.  We are a great experiment in a great big beautiful universe.  Each one of us are just a small pebble in the ripple of time.  How we use that time will be our judgment for eternity.  Just my way of thinking.

[Darth Fife]

Just posing a question. Not for myself, but for others to ponder.
If God created man in his image, could one not assume free will is a apart of that image?
Meaning, one grows from their mistakes, and if God gave us free will, then he knew quite well we were destined for failure, but he would also know, that given free will, we'd have the drive to overcome failure.

I tend to think along the lines of Mark Twain: In the beginning, God created man and man being a gentleman returned the favor.

To me, the true nature of God is unknowable. We have clues to go on, but it kind of like the proverbial 5 blind men trying to describe and elephant by each one touching a different part of the elephant.

What I'm saying is, God is not interfering, rather observing, only because we're not near the end of times, nowhere near it.

I'm not a big one on end time prophecies. During the time when the Bible was being formalized apocalyptic literature was very common - sort of the 1st century equivalent of our pulp sci-fi magazines. Some, obviously, got mixed in with the Bible and ended up being codified by the Council of Nicea.

Like pulp science fiction, they were never meant as predictions of the future, but as morality tales of their present times.

He gave us free will to form our own destiny, whether it be tyrannical in nature, or freedom, it's all growth in the human experience, which is why I believe God gave us the gift of life, free will, and the ability to create our own destiny.

What we do with that destiny? Well, that's anyone's best guess, but the fact that we're still here speaks volumes considering every generation previous to our own has laid claim to the end of times.

And I'm sure countless generations to follow will claim that theirs is the "End Times".

One thing about predicting the end of the world. Do it long enough and one day you are bound to be correct!



Darth

[Solar]

I tend to think along the lines of Mark Twain: In the beginning, God created man and man being a gentleman returned the favor.

To me, the true nature of God is unknowable. We have clues to go on, but it kind of like the proverbial 5 blind men trying to describe and elephant by each one touching a different part of the elephant.

I'm not a big one on end time prophecies. During the time when the Bible was being formalized apocalyptic literature was very common - sort of the 1st century equivalent of our pulp sci-fi magazines. Some, obviously, got mixed in with the Bible and ended up being codified by the Council of Nicea.

Like pulp science fiction, they were never meant as predictions of the future, but as morality tales of their present times.

And I'm sure countless generations to follow will claim that theirs is the "End Times".

One thing about predicting the end of the world. Do it long enough and one day you are bound to be correct!



Darth

Kind of like global warming. A some point, nature will dictate change, but it's no different from a religion in believing the end times are near because of mans arrogance. Yet they don't see the arrogance in making unfounded predictions.
And they call us fanatical?

[Rasputttin]

If you knew what the term refers to (and I'm pretty sure you do) you wouldn't be defending it's use, here or anywhere. More than simply the way Democrats refer to Tea Party members, it is common slang for a vulgar, disgusting sexual act.

Your either terribly naive or a troll.

Darth

Neither naive or a troll. Just not that uptight I guess. I know what the term means. Look at it this way. I sometimes call myself a "capitalist pig". I love capitalism and am not ashamed to admit it. I use the term just because that is what commies call us. It's my way of taking the term away from them. I'm certainly not going to apologize for it.

Besides,think about this. If the roles were reversed and it was the American left who were unhappy with the democrat party and they formed a third party and called themselves the Tea Party. I would've called them teabaggers too.

The really funny part is that it is leftists who actually perform the act of tea bagging. They are the real tea baggers. Leftists are always projecting on to others their sins. Sometimes you just have to laugh dude.

[taxed]

Neither naive or a troll. Just not that uptight I guess. I know what the term means. Look at it this way. I sometimes call myself a "capitalist pig". I love capitalism and am not ashamed to admit it. I use the term just because that is what commies call us. It's my way of taking the term away from them. I'm certainly not going to apologize for it.

Besides,think about this. If the roles were reversed and it was the American left who were unhappy with the democrat party and they formed a third party and called themselves the Tea Party. I would've called them teabaggers too.

The really funny part is that it is leftists who actually perform the act of tea bagging. They are the real tea baggers. Leftists are always projecting on to others their sins. Sometimes you just have to laugh dude.

Where are you from?

[Dori]

If the roles were reversed and it was the American left who were unhappy with the democrat party and they formed a third party and called themselves the Tea Party. I would've called them teabaggers too.

I call them occu-poopers.   

[Rasputttin]

Where are you from?

Atlanta, Ga.

[taxed]

Atlanta, Ga.

What area?

[ORIGINAL WILLARD]

Thanks for great post! As revisionist historians tirelessly work to confound, distort and hinder, so do the scriptural propagandists. Interestingly, it is prominently the same fraternity in the rank and file who serve on both fronts, dedicated to wage war upon truth, itself. As many posters have referenced, the question of Republican pacifism, ineptness, and/or complicity remains on the table of discussion for real thinkers. While seemingly unexplainable, I believe the answer to be human sin, as illustrated in the entire counsel of God. Enemies of truth (wolves) can appear attractive in sheep's clothing and may appear motivated by different reasons, but the overarching empowerment is disobedience before God, period. The enemy is attacking Romans 13 in a deceptive stratagem of scriptural revisionism, attempting to further erode a proper understanding of how Christians are to respond to governance. This body of scripture is instructive and important to all of us, but is also important to the intelligentsia pressing a Marxist agenda - they must attempt to corrupt. Needless to say, American citizens are not "subjects," and are not called by God to render unto Caesar our children, or the minds of our children. Thanks for listening, please forgive lengthy post. I wish you well.

Proverbs 29: 2 "When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn." KJV.