Islam IS a PEACEFUL Religion

[Solar]

What's the point here?

Is this Terry Jones guy supposed to be some kind of Christian hero, because he deliberately antagonizes the muslims?

Is he attempting to start a US holy war?

Did anything good come from torching the koran?

If you idolize people like this, you've got a pretty twisted view of Christianity.

So standing up to Religious oppression is a bad thing?
It's not like he's beheading people in the name of Religion.

[kramarat]

So standing up to Religious oppression is a bad thing?
It's not like he's beheading people in the name of Religion.

True enough, but the poster that Yawn is using to depict evil islam, wouldn't exist if the guy didn't burn the koran.

I, (for one), don't think that all muslims are inherently evil. Why intentionally screw with them and burn what is their bible?

I'd be pissed, big time, if US muslims started torching the Christian bible.

[Solar]

True enough, but the poster that Yawn is using to depict evil islam, wouldn't exist if the guy didn't burn the koran.

I, (for one), don't think that all muslims are inherently evil. Why intentionally screw with them and burn what is their bible?

I'd be pissed, big time, if US muslims started torching the Christian bible.

It happens all the time.

Authorities in northwestern Iran seized 6,500 Bibles, according to the Iranian Christian news organization Mohabat News, which quotes an official as saying of the seizure that "all religions are strengthening their power to confront Islam; otherwise, what does this huge number of Bibles mean?" The agency has reported several other recent incidents of Bibles and other Christian literature being seized and sometimes publicly burned.

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[kramarat]

It happens all the time.

Authorities in northwestern Iran seized 6,500 Bibles, according to the Iranian Christian news organization Mohabat News, which quotes an official as saying of the seizure that "all religions are strengthening their power to confront Islam; otherwise, what does this huge number of Bibles mean?" The agency has reported several other recent incidents of Bibles and other Christian literature being seized and sometimes publicly burned.

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Are US muslims burning bibles?

Are US Chistians now embracing "an eye for an eye" mentality?

[Solar]

Are US muslims burning bibles?

Are US Chistians now embracing "an eye for an eye" mentality?

Are Arab Muslims burning Korans?

Come on K, what was the point of that nonsensical line of questioning?

Why is it wrong to tell Muscums to Fuck Off, we don't need your hate and intolerance of other Religions, why is it when someone here does it, it's a horrible thing, but when they do it, it is somehow justified?

Think about it, you can't draw a picture of Mohamad without reprisal, even possible death if they find you.

I have no idea where you get the idea that there is such a thing as a good muscum, if there were, they would be standing up and marching in the streets demanding the end of honor killings, and that killing in the name of Religion is wrong.
But they don't, and by this act of complicity, they are no better than the scum that are perpetuating this warped form of a political system.

Man, I'm starting to agree with yawn, put the bottle down, you are all over the map anymore.

[Yawn]

He's proving my point. THEY put out a flyer/poster advocating the MURDER of several men recognized as "enemies of Islam." Yet Rat only cries that this pastor exercised his FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS.

I think Muslim atrocities began LONG before Terry Jones burned a Koran. He was making the point of the works in the Book of Acts where the new converts BURNED their old pagan books.

A number who had practiced sorcery brought their scrolls together and burned them publicly. When they calculated the value of the scrolls, the total came to fifty thousand drachmas. acts 19:19

No, Rat Kram, I don't "idolize" him, but I do RESPECT him on this issue.

The issue of this thread is NOT Terry Jones. It is the poster. Why can't you muster the same anger towards THAT as you do towards Christians and others (Geert Wilders) whose only crime is that they warn their nations of the Muslim threat to your freedom?

[Yawn]

Are US muslims burning bibles?

Are US Chistians now embracing "an eye for an eye" mentality?

So Americans are only allowed to burn a koran AFTER Muslims gain a political majority and start burning Bibles and taking over your precious Catholic Church? When that day comes, you'll be PUT TO DEATH for speaking out against Islam.

You do understand that the only reason they don't do it here, is because they're a tiny percentage of the population and already have a reputation that's in the sewer. They have an interest in being the perpetual victim--it gives them political clout among the Libs and thew well meaning but naive "christians"

[taxed]

Very devout Christians go to other countries to spread the word of Christianity.  Quasi-devout Muzzies go to other countries to blow them up.

[Solar]

Very devout Christians go to other countries to spread the word of Christianity.  Quasi-devout Muzzies go to other countries to blow them up.

That about sums it up.

[kramarat]

Are Arab Muslims burning Korans?

Come on K, what was the point of that nonsensical line of questioning?

Why is it wrong to tell Muscums to Fuck Off, we don't need your hate and intolerance of other Religions, why is it when someone here does it, it's a horrible thing, but when they do it, it is somehow justified?

Think about it, you can't draw a picture of Mohamad without reprisal, even possible death if they find you.

I have no idea where you get the idea that there is such a thing as a good muscum, if there were, they would be standing up and marching in the streets demanding the end of honor killings, and that killing in the name of Religion is wrong.
But they don't, and by this act of complicity, they are no better than the scum that are perpetuating this warped form of a political system.

Man, I'm starting to agree with yawn, put the bottle down, you are all over the map anymore.

Yeah right, I'm all over the map, and you guys are justifying koran burning in the US, where, if I'm not mistaken, religious freedom is guaranteed by the constitution.

Why should we stop at burning the koran? Lets just follow the entire Iranian model, and round up the muslims and imprison them.

Now, what we should be doing, is stopping all visas and immigration by new muslims, particularly while we're still at war with extremists. But the muslims that are US citizens should not be persecuted. You guys can't just suspend the constitution, and say that it's okay to go after people or religions that we don't like. If we were to allow ourselves to think like that, the constitution would have fallen apart a long time ago.

[Solar]

Yeah right, I'm all over the map, and you guys are justifying koran burning in the US, where, if I'm not mistaken, religious freedom is guaranteed by the constitution.

That is exactly right, and colligated with that Right is another Right, the Right of Freedom of Speech, and burning a Koran is still a right no matter how disgusting you or anyone else thinks it is.

Why should we stop at burning the koran? Lets just follow the entire Iranian model, and round up the muslims and imprison them.

And you wonder why I said you're all over the map?

Now, what we should be doing, is stopping all visas and immigration by new muslims, particularly while we're still at war with extremists. But the muslims that are US citizens should not be persecuted. You guys can't just suspend the constitution, and say that it's okay to go after people or religions that we don't like. If we were to allow ourselves to think like that, the constitution would have fallen apart a long time ago.

So let me see if I understand this correctly.

By speaking out against hate and persecution of Christians by a certain Religion, I am persecuting Muscums?
So if I were to stop speaking out about the heinous practices of a radical murderous group, that in your mind would be preserving the Constitution?

Did I get that right?

[kramarat]

That is exactly right, and colligated with that Right is another Right, the Right of Freedom of Speech, and burning a Koran is still a right no matter how disgusting you or anyone else thinks it is.And you wonder why I said you're all over the map?

So let me see if I understand this correctly.

By speaking out against hate and persecution of Christians by a certain Religion, I am persecuting Muscums?
So if I were to stop speaking out about the heinous practices of a radical murderous group, that in your mind would be preserving the Constitution?

Did I get that right?

No. We're both getting off track here.

There's nothing wrong with speaking out against muslim persecution of Christians. And the preacher on the poster had a right to burn the koran.

What I'm having a problem with, is Yawn using the poster as an example of islamic hate, when the poster was not a random act, it was a response to the burning of the koran by the preacher.

What the preacher did, (by setting fire to the koran), was not protesting specific acts of brutality by radical islamists, it was torching the entire religion. It was akin to Jewish people burning the New Testament, because they don't accept Jesus as the Savior. Christians would be understandably outraged.

I'm just being the devil's advocate here, and looking at the bigger picture.

Yawn took the poster, (out of context), and presented it as an example of islamic hate; when in fact, the poster was a reaction to the koran burning.

That's the only point I was trying to make.

[Solar]

No. We're both getting off track here.

There's nothing wrong with speaking out against muslim persecution of Christians. And the preacher on the poster had a right to burn the koran.

What I'm having a problem with, is Yawn using the poster as an example of islamic hate, when the poster was not a random act, it was a response to the burning of the koran by the preacher.

What the preacher did, (by setting fire to the koran), was not protesting specific acts of brutality by radical islamists, it was torching the entire religion. It was akin to Jewish people burning the New Testament, because they don't accept Jesus as the Savior. Christians would be understandably outraged.

I'm just being the devil's advocate here, and looking at the bigger picture.

Yawn took the poster, (out of context), and presented it as an example of islamic hate; when in fact, the poster was a reaction to the koran burning.

That's the only point I was trying to make.

Your point would be valid if Christians were printing wanted "Dead or Alive" posters and distributing them.
But the Fatwa has been around since the inception of the pedophile prophet, and is being practiced at an increasing rate today.
Remember Vangoh and how he was murdered, which happened before this incident.
Devils advocate or not, there is no justifying a Religion or it's followers where murder in it's name goes unchallenged.
They all will be held accountable.

[kramarat]

Your point would be valid if Christians were printing wanted "Dead or Alive" posters and distributing them.
But the Fatwa has been around since the inception of the pedophile prophet, and is being practiced at an increasing rate today.
Remember Vangoh and how he was murdered, which happened before this incident.
Devils advocate or not, there is no justifying a Religion or it's followers where murder in it's name goes unchallenged.
They all will be held accountable.

Agreed. Rather than burning korans, I think a better use of time, would be to go after the US judges that are allowing muslims that beat and rape their wives, to go free. I don't think that religious freedom, (under the constitution), allows for the infringment on another person's constitutional freedom.

[Yawn]

You don't have the right to dictate how anyone else exercises THEIR freedom of religion or free speech rights. I'm sure Terry Jones doesn't care what you think would be a better use of HIS time.

Muslims need to understand that this is AMERICA.  They burn our Bibles, and our flags and MURDER us in the name of their evil prophet.  If someone shows his contempt for that violent political/religious system, they have my blessing. I also don't care if they burn our Bibles or our flag. It tells me just how much they respect our values (they don't).